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Seems like you could spend $1500 better.

Probably,  but I'm not spending $1500, I'm looking used maybe $650-$700.  I already own the Concero.  If I had a $1500 budget I'd probably just go for an Anedio D2.  Even if I sold the Concero for $500 (which i'd rather not) that puts me at about $1100 which is X-Sabre territory, but I really can't stretch budget any further than that for awhile.  I'm mostly hung up on keeping the Concero because I like the filter options and remote player control.  

 

That's why I'm looking at a used Nuwave or Gungnir right now to pair with it.  Yulong D18 could be another option but I'm afraid it might be too warm considering I already have a warmish amp.  Better question I suppose (and to stay on topic) is which would better compliment the qualities of the HD800?  It seems the Nuwave might have the edge on detail but the Gungnir on naturalness.  

 

Also I remember reading somewhere that the Nuwave XLR outputs 5.6v so I'm assuming SE is 2.8v which again would help balance out the lower Concero gain (which is still in effect as a converter). I still find some high dynamic range tracks to be slightly too low output with HD800 and my amps 10db gain.  I could mod the amp for higher gain but I'm hesitant to willingly increase noise level of amp.

 

Thanks for the input, regardless.  Decisions, decisions...

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I just returned from a week-long business trip and got right back to my HD800's and D7000's. My receiver most definitely sounds muddy compared to the Objective2 I'm borrowing, but I have an observation I can't explain that I hope someone can provide insight about.

 

On the O2, the Denons play louder than the Senns with the volume control fixed. On my receiver, its the other way around.

 

The only thing I can think of is it's a "current vs. voltage" thing.

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Originally Posted by JWahl View Post

That's why I'm looking at a used Nuwave or Gungnir right now to pair with it.  Yulong D18 could be another option but I'm afraid it might be too warm considering I already have a warmish amp.  Better question I suppose (and to stay on topic) is which would better compliment the qualities of the HD800?  It seems the Nuwave might have the edge on detail but the Gungnir on naturalness.  

 

 

Very cool... would love to hear your impressions of a Concero -> NuWave. Shame I didn't think to try that myself...

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Welcome to the world of high output impedance.  You can think of it as a voltage divider.  And in the case of D7000 v HD800 that output impedance is going to eat a lot of the voltage intended for the D7000.

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Perfect, thank you! That explains a lot and seems like a good test that confirms my suspicions. smile.gif

 

I have no idea what the output impedance is and I've been wondering for a long while now. Schematic of the receiver doesn't indicate what resistors are used and two e-mails to Carver have gone unanswered.

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Typically 120ohm+.  Seen some older amps with headphone jacks with 600ohm+ output impedance :O

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I remember reading somewhere that 120 Ohms was an industry "standard" at one time. I have a pair of 70's vintage Pioneer headphones that proudly proclaim on the earcups that they are 8 Ohm. The drivers in those headphones look just like a clock radio or cheap car stereo paper cone speaker.

Why would anyone design an 8 Ohm headphone intended for a 120 Ohm output?

Interesting that the D7000 is much lower impedance than the HD 800 yet it's sound is audibly much less affected by my receivers headphone output.
Edited by palmfish - 3/23/13 at 4:44pm
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Headphones are an after thought today, nevermind then.  Many just ran speaker taps to the front, resistor in series, and go ;)

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If the MSRP is the street price... no.  PWD2 with a street price nearer to $2500 to your door, lately with the bridge, is damn hard to beat for the money.  The PWD2 just walked all over the AP2 fed Octave which was already slightly better than the W4S DAC-2.

 

HD800 related... PWD2 w/ GS-X mk2 is a beast of a rig.  I'd put money down there are LCD-3 fans that would call the combo too bassy :O

And my A-B with the PWD2 and W4S DAC-2 was technically on par (really hard to tell this actually) with a preference for the cleaner sounding (less warmish) DAC-2. :)

 

If it was the other way around, I'd have gladly stepped up and bought the PS Audio DAC for $2500 and a re-enforced rack to hold the monster!


Edited by MacedonianHero - 3/23/13 at 5:30pm
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I didn't much like the W4S DAC-2 when I was out DAC hunting.  I found it to be little to much on the bright side for me.  None the less still a great DAC and gives up nothing to other DACs in it's price range.  

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I didn't much like the W4S DAC-2 when I was out DAC hunting.  I found it to be little to much on the bright side for me.  None the less still a great DAC and gives up nothing to other DACs in it's price range.  

Too funny. I guess we each got the right DAC for what we were looking for. smily_headphones1.gif
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Too funny. I guess we each got the right DAC for what we were looking for. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Almost sound like Duck hunting  biggrin.gif

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Originally Posted by palmfish View Post

I remember reading somewhere that 120 Ohms was an industry "standard" at one time. I have a pair of 70's vintage Pioneer headphones that proudly proclaim on the earcups that they are 8 Ohm. The drivers in those headphones look just like a clock radio or cheap car stereo paper cone speaker.

Why would anyone design an 8 Ohm headphone intended for a 120 Ohm output?

Interesting that the D7000 is much lower impedance than the HD 800 yet it's sound is audibly much less affected by my receivers headphone output.


if you want to learn more about how higher amplifier output impedances interact with headphones and why higher output impedance can be a good thing in certain situations, or if you just want to tailor your sound, this is an easy read: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?82kf0r5kdckdcer

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if you want to learn more about how higher amplifier output impedances interact with headphones and why higher output impedance can be a good thing in certain situations, or if you just want to tailor your sound, this is an easy read: http://www.mediafire.com/view/?82kf0r5kdckdcer


Very good article. Thanks for the link!

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

I didn't much like the W4S DAC-2 when I was out DAC hunting.  I found it to be little to much on the bright side for me.  None the less still a great DAC and gives up nothing to other DACs in it's price range.  

I am always fascinated by everyones personal perspective. I do not find the W4S bright. I love it with the HD800's. Truly this hobby is always interesting.

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