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post #1186 of 24295

If the MSRP is the street price... no.  PWD2 with a street price nearer to $2500 to your door, lately with the bridge, is damn hard to beat for the money.  The PWD2 just walked all over the AP2 fed Octave which was already slightly better than the W4S DAC-2.

 

HD800 related... PWD2 w/ GS-X mk2 is a beast of a rig.  I'd put money down there are LCD-3 fans that would call the combo too bassy :O

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Does he have an analog rig he wants to digitize? Perhaps he wanted both DAC and ADC and not have separates.

He's a producer, however I didn't ask if he had a specific need Hilo met.

All he mentioned was that he was glad he sold the Invicta off.

 

 

He said he auditioned one for his studio and found it to have the cleanest, clearest sounding conversion he's heard. 

 

He also let go of his Buffalo32, and now does all his mastering through the Hilo.

 

I know it's just his personal experience, still surprised he seems to call it an easy victory for Hilo.


Edited by paradoxper - 3/23/13 at 9:02am
post #1188 of 24295
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If the MSRP is the street price... no.  PWD2 with a street price nearer to $2500 to your door, lately with the bridge, is damn hard to beat for the money.  The PWD2 just walked all over the AP2 fed Octave which was already slightly better than the W4S DAC-2.

 

HD800 related... PWD2 w/ GS-X mk2 is a beast of a rig.  I'd put money down there are LCD-3 fans that would call the combo too bassy :O

 

PWD2 w/GS-X mk2 vs. Master 7 w/GS-X mk2  

 

I'm just saying.  that's a on going war..

post #1189 of 24295
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PWD2 w/GS-X mk2 vs. Master 7 w/GS-X mk2  

I'm just saying.  that's a on going war..
I'd have to hear the PWD & Hilo again but that M7 combo is awfully good on the 800s.
post #1190 of 24295
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I just don't understand the Concero love.  Just looks like a lazy design that's banking on their previous hype.  Ie the circled area is the DAC and output.  Everything else is input.  That it's either powered by super noisy USB or equally noisy SMPS doesn't help.  Also if paying attention it's a Sabre, but it's the budget chip with onboard I/V and resulting poor spec.

 

 

 

Lots of love though so something in the recipe must be working for it.  Just doesn't pass the sniff test for the asking price for me.

 

Yes, I was completely skeptical looking at it, which is why I ended up buying it to see what all the fuss was about.  It's a pretty solid performer for the price despite it's meager parts.  Similar to how my old Wadia 121 had rather unimpressive parts for the money but sounded much better than it looked.  Common denominator between the two is they both use a custom FPGA chip to implement their own proprietary upsampling/filtering.  I suspect this has much more impact on the sound than people realize.

 

The Concero is really just a high end USB/SPDIF converter/processor attached to a "DAC on chip", even the analog outputs are out of the DAC chip itself. So if you look at it as sort of like an Audiophilleo attached to an ODAC for $600, the price makes sense.  Not to mention the flawless case work which i'm sure adds to the build cost.

 

That being said, I'm thinking of picking up a PS Audio Nuwave, or Schiit Gungnir to use with the Concero as a converter.  I was originally considering another amp like the Soloist but I think the delta of change might be greater adding a dedicated DAC to the Concero.  I'd love something like the PWD2 but even at $2500 (which I have yet to see new) it's still out of my price range for now.  Slightly starting to lean toward the Nuwave since I believe it's output is higher than 2V (need to confirm) to help counter the reduced gain from Concero.

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I liked the Concero as a DAC better than both Nuwave and Gungnir.
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Liked better is pretty vague.  How did they compare on tonal balance, staging, focus, resolution, fullness, layering, separation, emotional engagement, dynamics, oddities?

post #1193 of 24295

^^^ Heh, subjective opinions(on thier own)...don't help much unless you are borg.

 

A combination of subjective and odjective data plus your own experience is always much better.

 

You probably need to listen to it yourself..


Edited by bearFNF - 3/23/13 at 2:42pm
post #1194 of 24295
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Liked better is pretty vague.  How did they compare on tonal balance, staging, focus, resolution, fullness, layering, separation, emotional engagement, dynamics, oddities?
In all regards.
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Liked better is pretty vague.  How did they compare on tonal balance, staging, focus, resolution, fullness, layering, separation, emotional engagement, dynamics, oddities?

 

I liked it better too. Can I just say that without writing a comprehensive review here?

 

Maxvla, myself, and a couple others posted our findings in the NuWave thread (I preordered one from the initial batch). Didn't do a dedicated Gungnir a/b vs. Concero, but based upon my casual observations didn't really want to. I feel dirty now. ;)

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In all regards.

Nice..beerchug.gif

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I liked it better too. Can I just say that without writing a comprehensive review here?

 

Maxvla, myself, and a couple others posted our findings in the NuWave thread (I preordered one from the initial batch). Didn't do a dedicated Gungnir a/b vs. Concero, but based upon my casual observations didn't really want to. I feel dirty now. ;)

Well, I noticed you mentioned that you thought the Nuwave sounded better when fed by the CLAS so I'm hoping with the Concero feeding it would combine the benefits of both.  Of course, realizing that it may not be that cut and dry.

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Well, I noticed you mentioned that you thought the Nuwave sounded better when fed by the CLAS so I'm hoping with the Concero feeding it would combine the benefits of both.  Of course, realizing that it may not be that cut and dry.

 

Yes, the CLAS + NuWave was an improvement over NuWave alone via USB. The combo edged out the Concero in many (but not all) ways*, but price-wise the two together might not remain competitive compared to DAC's at that price tier in total. 

 

*the specifics of which have been lost to time and several Belgian white ales

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Well, I noticed you mentioned that you thought the Nuwave sounded better when fed by the CLAS so I'm hoping with the Concero feeding it would combine the benefits of both.  Of course, realizing that it may not be that cut and dry.
Seems like you could spend $1500 better.
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Seems like you could spend $1500 better.

Probably,  but I'm not spending $1500, I'm looking used maybe $650-$700.  I already own the Concero.  If I had a $1500 budget I'd probably just go for an Anedio D2.  Even if I sold the Concero for $500 (which i'd rather not) that puts me at about $1100 which is X-Sabre territory, but I really can't stretch budget any further than that for awhile.  I'm mostly hung up on keeping the Concero because I like the filter options and remote player control.  

 

That's why I'm looking at a used Nuwave or Gungnir right now to pair with it.  Yulong D18 could be another option but I'm afraid it might be too warm considering I already have a warmish amp.  Better question I suppose (and to stay on topic) is which would better compliment the qualities of the HD800?  It seems the Nuwave might have the edge on detail but the Gungnir on naturalness.  

 

Also I remember reading somewhere that the Nuwave XLR outputs 5.6v so I'm assuming SE is 2.8v which again would help balance out the lower Concero gain (which is still in effect as a converter). I still find some high dynamic range tracks to be slightly too low output with HD800 and my amps 10db gain.  I could mod the amp for higher gain but I'm hesitant to willingly increase noise level of amp.

 

Thanks for the input, regardless.  Decisions, decisions...

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