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Love the pairing. Only other DAC I will try is the Yggdrasil, merely out of respect for Mike Moffat.

Yes the YGG is one that i am also interested in.  cant wait for comparisons between it and the Hugo. 

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Has anybody done a tone sweep by listening in?  How was the outcome of the HD800?  What EQ are you guys using?  Which frequencies are you boosting or dropping?

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Honestly info not use eq with the hd800! And the hdvd800 as a amp. It's about the DAC at this point. But the eq is very Hindy for the lcd3 .

Al
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IME high current- low impedance amps make the HD800 sound clinical. Not necessarily in a bad way.. But not as full bodied or what I would call 'natural' sounding as when they're amped with loads'o power/voltage. But this has been my experience with other high impedance cans as well.

 

Lets not forget that the HD800's are extremely sensitive! Plug em into any old amp and they can get very upset and start shrieking !! :biggrin:

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So, I've been giving it various sources and checking how the 800 responds, and it seems you have to give it well sampled source or should we say well mastered.  It's great an all that the well mastered source sounds great, but typically if it's well mastered it pushes the potential of any phones and sounds the best for the particular phone.  My NT6 sound extraordinary with well mastered tracks at the same time for those was wasn't mastered the same such as electronica or pop, it still brings out the best in the recording.  Although some recordings are not done as well as others, but the intention is not sound sound so bad.  I've heard people say it puts out how bad the recording is, but realistically these recordings are not as bad as some of the these headphones are putting out.

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Has anybody done a tone sweep by listening in?  How was the outcome of the HD800?  What EQ are you guys using?  Which frequencies are you boosting or dropping?

Using Yulong Dacs (D100 and DA8) and their built in amps plus an old Marantz amp i get nasty peaks in treble region both from freq sweeps and music. Then i used JRiver built in parametric eq, it sounded best to me. I dropped 7kHz q=4 and 10.5kHz q=8 both -4dB.

Initially i tried high shelf attenuation or low shelf gain not more than 3dB, but then the resulting sound was clearly not neutral. 

 

Then i used the DA8 DAC's xlr outs as balanced drive, it is higher impedance (z) i belive, some 40 ohms i think, the peaks were reduced.

Also HDVD800 (or HDVA600) and a Leben tube amp (which was surprisingly neutral appart from bass, which was slow and mushy) gave me no glare in the highs and no peaks at all. 

I'm not sure about the Leben output impedance, its designed to drive speakers so its got to be low, a few ohms max, but the Senn amp has 40 something ohms output impedance, so i think the output impedance is not the main contributor to peakless sound production, more experienced members might know better.


Edited by Priidik - 7/4/14 at 1:26pm
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So, I've been giving it various sources and checking how the 800 responds, and it seems you have to give it well sampled source or should we say well mastered.  It's great an all that the well mastered source sounds great, but typically if it's well mastered it pushes the potential of any phones and sounds the best for the particular phone.  My NT6 sound extraordinary with well mastered tracks at the same time for those was wasn't mastered the same such as electronica or pop, it still brings out the best in the recording.  Although some recordings are not done as well as others, but the intention is not sound sound so bad.  I've heard people say it puts out how bad the recording is, but realistically these recordings are not as bad as some of the these headphones are putting out.

This is a good point and I would say needs some careful deliberation. 

 

'Hifi' headphones have always (generally) been designed with the intent to make music sound good. Not as a clean window onto what is actually there. But with a headphone like the HD800 you can easily get used to hearing what is actually there...,? and it can be more enjoyable from an 'audiophile' perspective. Good recordings are good, bad ones are bad.  

 

As far as I can see these hp's have one small, little flaw... A little peak at 6khz. They aren't perfect. But IME that one slight peak cannot cause annoyance unless the recording is already bad or you are sensitive to high frequencies. With the exception of Audeze and Senn's previous flagship most other quality hp's are peakier in the treb than the HD800.

 

(anyways, I'm enjoying reading your journey with HD800's :)   

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Many people are saying that tube amps makes the harshness go away so what makes sense to do?  I looked up FR for audio tube amps.  The few I've seen, they roll off on the the high end, so that could be why people like the tube amps with the HD800.  This is really telling.  

 

I'm not as conclusive on the tube amps rolling off yet.  Anybody know where I can find bunch of tube amp FR graphs?

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I've tried the 800 with the lyr...technically not a true tube amp but a hybrid. The pairing was not good. Tomorrow, it's full on OTL with the CRack. 

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This is a good point and I would say needs some careful deliberation. 

 

'Hifi' headphones have always (generally) been designed with the intent to make music sound good. Not as a clean window onto what is actually there. But with a headphone like the HD800 you can easily get used to hearing what is actually there...,? and it can be more enjoyable from an 'audiophile' perspective. Good recordings are good, bad ones are bad.  

 

As far as I can see these hp's have one small, little flaw... A little peak at 6khz. They aren't perfect. But IME that one slight peak cannot cause annoyance unless the recording is already bad or you are sensitive to high frequencies. With the exception of Audeze and Senn's previous flagship most other quality hp's are peakier in the treb than the HD800.

 

(anyways, I'm enjoying reading your journey with HD800's :)   

I listen to certain kind of pop, and they sound quite distinctive from my awesomely well recorded Marantz audiophile test CDs.  They seem to share common output, treble is quite harsh and it's mostly vocals(so you'd expect vocal sibilance). There is that FR graphical animations that show up on Foobar.  It would be interesting to analyze the tracks to output what's the most common FR output of that track.  I'm sure that exists.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/4/14 at 1:52pm
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Many people are saying that tube amps makes the harshness go away so what makes sense to do?  I looked up FR for audio tube amps.  The few I've seen, they roll off on the the high end, so that could be why people like the tube amps with the HD800.  This is really telling.  

I'm not as conclusive on the tube amps rolling off yet.  Anybody know where I can find bunch of tube amp FR graphs?
They are basically just making up things. High end tube amps are often more 'solid state' than solid state. The only reason a tube amp would be more forgiving is if it were either poorly designed, or purposely altering the output, tuned to a coloration pleasing to the designer.

Some of the best HD800 combos seem to be with Craig's amps from Eddie Current, such as the Super 7, Zana Duex, 445, and Balancing Act, which tend towards the 'solid state' type of sound, unless deliberately tube tuned otherwise.
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They are basically just making up things. High end tube amps are often more 'solid state' than solid state. The only reason a tube amp would be more forgiving is if it were either poorly designed, or purposely altering the output, tuned to a coloration pleasing to the designer.

Some of the best HD800 combos seem to be with Craig's amps from Eddie Current, such as the Super 7, Zana Duex, 445, and Balancing Act, which tend towards the 'solid state' type of sound, unless deliberately tube tuned otherwise.

Interesting read on Frequency Response Shaping.

 

http://fredsvtablog.blogspot.com/2012/06/basic-frequency-response-shaping.html

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I had them on reverse.  Flipped L and R the whole time.  :o  Maybe this would make a big difference.

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I had them on reverse.  Flipped L and R the whole time.  redface.gif   Maybe this would make a big difference.
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