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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Well, I compared it to the HD650, and with a good amp LCD2 tightens up, but HD650 does not scale any higher from a "decent" amp so with my Beta 22, the LCD2 sounded noticibly better, but by a small margin, what was more significant was the size of the sound.  LCD sounded bigger of course.

 

I would say that I've found just the opposite. For me, the lcd2 is almost amp agnostic...sounding about the same from most amps. But the hd650 has impressive scale. Going from the lyr to BHC is just jaw dropping. 

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

 I think the hd800 are fantastic and right in the middle of a stax009 and a HE6. The best of both worlds so to speak .

 

 

Did your hear the Abyss Al ?

post #11643 of 24296
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I used to think I wanted more bass , less treble and richer mids from the HD800. I realise now after 2 years of trying new headphones / modifying, trying different amps etc and using EQ that the stock HD800 run from HDVD800 and odac is perfect to my ears. The mid range is simply stunning, the treble is detailed and realistic without ever being harsh and the bass is defined and tight with the Exact amount of weight, any more and it would be overpowering and impact on the imaging and soundstage. For me personally it was a misunderstanding of how music should sound and my idea of what perfect sound is. After perusing my idea of that sound I've come to understand that the reality is not what I thought it was. The HD800 with the right setup is very close to perfection, I know that now and I enjoy them more than ever. They never leave me wanting more and Everytime I listen to them I am still amazed how good they are. They are a remarkable pair of headphones.

That is the whole point in discussion about synergy. It's all about us individually not as a whole. I very much dislike sabre anything , mytek , odac, any of the AKl line and a few others. But what is good to my brain may not be for all. What we can all agree to should be this statement . And beyond that our trials and efforts and the sharing of them. This is what it's really about but as people are people it tends to go beyond that most times and we loose focus of the point of sharing when we say hey your idea stinks. My first attempt was with the mytek for headphones. Although I have been an audio nut of sorts from way back in the early 70 ,s. . It has evolved only the past 10 years to include headphones.
And this is why I am here but as headphones require a different understanding I have learned much right here . Even if I totally disagree there stuff to be learned .

Enjoy your rig
Al
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OTL 300B tube amp , all problems gone this is the best amp for HD-800 it's a huge step up in soundquality to other amps rating is +14/10 from bass to highs the absolute king amp

On DSD files ( Opus) you are "there" pure live presentation the most outside your head presentation ever warm/ smooth/ detailed/ airy

Good to see some  comparisons, but why not scale to 10/10? 

Care to share details about that OTL amp?

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I'm thinking of upgrading my dac specifically for the 800. I currently have the bifrost uber running over optical. I'm considering the Matrx X Sabre. Any thoughts?

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Did your hear the Abyss Al ?

No not as of yet. I did hear from a few headfi bros though about its sound . Some day I will here it myself .
Al
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I'm thinking of upgrading my dac specifically for the 800. I currently have the bifrost uber running over optical. I'm considering the Matrx X Sabre. Any thoughts?

I am not part of the hugo fan club but it is a very good DAC and good amp too. Reg a simple DAC update it's the go to choice I would recommend . Also you shroud know I am not a fan of sabre either . But plenty love them so do not just go by my word .

Al
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I'm thinking of upgrading my dac specifically for the 800. I currently have the bifrost uber running over optical. I'm considering the Matrx X Sabre. Any thoughts?

I have not heard any Schiit units, but be aware some are sensitive to 'Sabre glare' , i did't know what people mean by this 'Sabre glare' until i compared it with another great dac, a lot more expensive one (Ayon something) 

Still, it was noticeable to me in direct comparison and actually more so with speakers than HD800-s. 

I think the soundstage is artificially wide with Yulong DA8, but with HDVA 600 amp it did not bother me at all,

vocals were nicely in the middle front again (not between my ears, ugh).

The DA8 was not trounched by the more expensive unit in resolution or micro details, and 

that i appreciate while listening with HD800. 


Edited by Priidik - 7/4/14 at 5:50am
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I am not part of the hugo fan club but it is a very good DAC and good amp too. Reg a simple DAC update it's the go to choice I would recommend . Also you shroud know I am not a fan of sabre either . But plenty love them so do not just go by my word .

Al

Hey Al wouldn't have known you aren't in the Hugo fan club looking at your post there! Pretty high praise from a non fan... wink.gif haha I know where you coming from and your preference on PS directstream. Makes me really want to get one myself since you are loving it so much. But yea agree Hugo is a very nice DAC for HD800 imo.
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I am glad you understand me. I am away at my home in NC. and I have the DS and the hugo with me. Also the mytek. If just pcm the other two I can learn to,love but that mytek with pcm just kills me. The hugo is good but not to worship level of some . I offer is at a one stop shop combo as it's pretty for the price. But if you here the DS and hugo side by side it's pretty apparent witch one is more realistic all around.

Al
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post


That is the whole point in discussion about synergy. It's all about us individually not as a whole. I very much dislike sabre anything , mytek , odac, any of the AKl line and a few others. But what is good to my brain may not be for all. What we can all agree to should be this statement . And beyond that our trials and efforts and the sharing of them. This is what it's really about but as people are people it tends to go beyond that most times and we loose focus of the point of sharing when we say hey your idea stinks. My first attempt was with the mytek for headphones. Although I have been an audio nut of sorts from way back in the early 70 ,s. . It has evolved only the past 10 years to include headphones.
And this is why I am here but as headphones require a different understanding I have learned much right here . Even if I totally disagree there stuff to be learned .

Enjoy your rig
Al

Interesting statement as you have stated previously that you like the Hibino R10 which has the ES9018.

 

What do you like?  Of course the Hugo.  The FPGA..

 

Also, this goes back to people thinking that HD800 needs the right setup.  :rolleyes:  Anyway,  whatever that right setup is probably EQing the phones.  Tube, cutting off the treble, and etc.. Basically, remedying the phones to your liking.  I'd rather have the phones output what I desire.  Not look for some skewed FR setup that will color the sound to my liking, because the phones are skewed.  Anyway, HD800 is not for me, that's all there is to it.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/4/14 at 8:37am
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Interesting statement as you have stated you like the Hibino R10 which has the ES9018.

What do you like?  Of course the Hugo.  The FPGA..

Also, this goes back to people thinking that HD800 needs the right setup.  rolleyes.gif   Anyway,  whatever that right setup is probably EQing the phones.  Tube, cutting off the treble, and etc.. Basically, remedying the phones to your liking.  I'd rather have the phones output what I desire.  Not look for some skewed FR setup that will color the sound to my liking, because the phones are skewed.  Anyway, HD800 is not for me, that's all there is to it.

I would give them time and allow your brain to adjust. Don't keep comparing them just sit back and listen exclusively and the 'HD800 moment ' will come.
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I would give them time and allow your brain to adjust. Don't keep comparing them just sit back and listen exclusively and the 'HD800 moment ' will come.

I gave it enough time.  Typical time I give it before the wow factor hits me.  I don't like bright phones, and I have appreciated phones that people considered veiled as your ears adjust over time.  These phones will be one of the longest for my ears to adjust to as even the terrible ones I have, my ears can adjust and the memory will forget about the better FR.  :(  

 

My NT6 is initially bright if I have been away from it for awhile, and after half hour or so, it starts sounding like it should.  I have experienced this with bright phones, but the HD800, the brightness just don't go away.  Like I said it's not for me, it's sound sig is not what I like.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/4/14 at 9:02am
post #11654 of 24296
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

Interesting statement as you have stated previously that you like the Hibino R10 which has the ES9018.

What do you like?  Of course the Hugo.  The FPGA..

Also, this goes back to people thinking that HD800 needs the right setup.  rolleyes.gif   Anyway,  whatever that right setup is probably EQing the phones.  Tube, cutting off the treble, and etc.. Basically, remedying the phones to your liking.  I'd rather have the phones output what I desire.  Not look for some skewed FR setup that will color the sound to my liking, because the phones are skewed.  Anyway, HD800 is not for me, that's all there is to it.
I think my statement was a little misunderstood. And I will,take the blame for it. In the end in really do mean like your rig not being sarcastic. Also yes I do prefer the hibino to the AK line and I know its sabre of course. But this does not mean i do not like others much more. I used the hibino strictly for mobile. This has now been replaced by the hugo. My pint was synergy to your liking. There is nothing wrong with your rig if you like it. My only issue is not trying others to hear possible improvements. Now this could be me being old and wanting to hear the best I can afford before I die hahahaha. But I can say buying better devices greatly improved my listening experience . As such I try to share my findings . It does not mean anyone here should do as I say but it is worthwhile to read . If you can understand encrypted post,s lmao. This does piss some off though so some need to get over it. As I do take the time to help and I so proof as well so this is as good as it gets.
Al
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Interesting statement as you have stated previously that you like the Hibino R10 which has the ES9018.

 

What do you like?  Of course the Hugo.  The FPGA..

 

Also, this goes back to people thinking that HD800 needs the right setup.  :rolleyes:  Anyway,  whatever that right setup is probably EQing the phones.  Tube, cutting off the treble, and etc.. Basically, remedying the phones to your liking.  I'd rather have the phones output what I desire.  Not look for some skewed FR setup that will color the sound to my liking, because the phones are skewed.  Anyway, HD800 is not for me, that's all there is to it.

 

At the end of the day, if you don't like it move on. Don't put yourself through something you don't like just because it's supposed to sound good. However, I'd like to point out that the HD800 is one of the most sensitive to gear changes. More than any planar or dynamic I've owned or tried so far. The sound can change quite quickly with different gear.

 

I use HD800 with studio gear exclusively. All flat DACs and headphone amplifiers. Neither make them sound harsh or thin. In fact quite full. More so than LCD-3's slow sound. I've heard dark gear like LCD-2's and LCD-3 get more aggressive and unbearable in the treble region due to bad amps or DAC pairings…BDA-2/BHA-1 combo being one of them. Yet the HD800 can pull it off in the treble while being super resolving.

 

I owned O2 for 2 years and had the ODAC from my friend for 2 months. In that period I tried a bunch of speaker and headphone amps combos. The O2 was definitely bright. It's counterpart ODAC was decent, but definitely not end all in performance. I've heard people say that those two are supposed to be flat, but when compared to other solid state flat studio gear, both the O2 (to a higher degree) and ODAC are definitely not as neutral as you might expect it to be.

 

Maybe you can audition your HD800 with other gear before getting rid of it? Anyways, best of luck with your decision.


Edited by Zoom25 - 7/4/14 at 9:28am
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