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post #11626 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Maxvla View Post


Electronica is one of the HD800's strengths in many opinions, including mine. Perhaps you are not used to the level of resolution and are thus listening too loud (easier to do than you might think)? These days about 80% of my listening is electronica and I exclusively use HD800s.

what would be your fav electronic albums on HD800? 

post #11627 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

After more extended listen.  It resolves well, but I don't see much beyond it.  I'm starting to get why people are saying these sound unnatural.  It's detailed, but not the detailing I like, it just sounds treble boosted.  :(  The sibilance....  The definition consists of treble mostly, that's not how nature puts out sound.

 

IMO HD800 are among top 3-4 headphones but the treble is an issue with some equipment, whether it is the equipment or the headphone is a matter of conjecture.  With a Sabre DAC and keen/detailed amp it's probably going to be too much.

 

Recently I experimented going back to stock from Anax 2.0.  I think initially I was happy because my hearing was affected by a head-cold LOL.  Anyway the stock headphones are quite bright and unfortunately lack some control in a couple of narrow bands in the treble, I think consensus is 6-8kHz.  With resolving and neutral (or bright depending who you ask) gear this will be very noticeable and distracting.  I also found the stock HD800 to sort of artificially exaggerate dynamics - not sure if this is because they are decaying faster or an effect of the frequency response.

 

IMO Anax mod 2.0 swaps linearity in the bass for linearity in the treble.  To explain - stock HD800 has better bass extension and less midbass bloat.  Anax mod 2.0, as I have installed it, has more linear and controlled treble but less linear and controlled bass.

 

Second point is that the stock HD800 sound faster and more dynamic, and seem to have a larger sounding headstage.  

 

In the perfect world we could have the treble of the Anax 2.0 with the bass of the stock headphone - I think this is what those guys are working on.  

 

A hint for those undertaking the mod - I left the trapezoid out and used the "more neutral sound" ring and find that that does enough to the treble to be listenable without ruining the bass too much.

 


 

Of course the other option is to address the treble with eq and leave the headphone stock.  This would probably achieve the goal of fixing the treble without ruining the bass.  Unfortunately I don't have much time this weekend to mod/unmod/EQ my headphones so that will have to wait.

post #11628 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I am used to high resolution. I have the NT6 and the HE-6 which are both very resolving.  One thing I'm not into is boosted treble.  I know the difference.  Of course I can look for a warmer DAC or look for a DAC that has lower treble dip or EQ it, but I have not experienced to such extreme.  I belive what I'm hearing is what it is.  I've read impressions and I'm hearing what is commonly said about these.  

 

Maybe the upstream gear is not compatible with the phones. Even warm  or treble dulling amp/dac  will not take away the roughness and treble peaks for me, which is not even the  characteristics of HD800, but the characteristics of the whole system, i believe. 

What i think the HD800 needs is not a warm dull upstream, but neutral high slew rate, higher order distrortion free, high voltage swing amplifier and neutral, high quality dac.

 

   For me the treble peaks (7k and 10.5k) dissapear from HD800 in the right system.  I have found at least one combo that works well, still don't own it though. 

I wouldn't trust hp measurements on the freq range extremes. If one compares different sources (Golden Ears, Headroom, Innerfidelity, etc) it can be seen that the peaks and dips won't even match properly. For my ears the Innerfidelity fr resp seems to sort of match.

And for my ears there is no dip in the 3k area, quite the opposite i have a slight boost there. I'm thinking its related to differences in individual ear/head shapes.


Edited by Priidik - 7/4/14 at 3:03am
post #11629 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

The resolvement is perception from result of lack of body with boosted treble.  I'm done here.

 

I've been an owner of both head phones for a while now.  Although I don't listen to Electronic music the HD800 does shine with other types ie Large Orchestral and Big Band type of music.  However, when it comes to vocals and bass.  The HE-6 is far ahead in both areas.  Now you have to own both and have to have gone through many amps and DACs to figure this out.  

 

Both resolve very well - and both are amp depended in doing so.  Neither Mask any information that I can tell.

 

The jury is still out on the HD800 paired with the EC 445 and maybe some tube rolling to get the right fit.. 

post #11630 of 24295

I considered getting the HE-6 before, but when I auditioned it, its comfort factor is a total deal-breaker for me. Personally, for me comfort matters more than SQ as no matter how good a headphone sound, if I can't stand wearing them it all means nothing.

post #11631 of 24295
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Originally Posted by drez View Post
 

 

IMO HD800 are among top 3-4 headphones but the treble is an issue with some equipment, whether it is the equipment or the headphone is a matter of conjecture.  With a Sabre DAC and keen/detailed amp it's probably going to be too much.

 

Recently I experimented going back to stock from Anax 2.0.  I think initially I was happy because my hearing was affected by a head-cold LOL.  Anyway the stock headphones are quite bright and unfortunately lack some control in a couple of narrow bands in the treble, I think consensus is 6-8kHz.  With resolving and neutral (or bright depending who you ask) gear this will be very noticeable and distracting.  I also found the stock HD800 to sort of artificially exaggerate dynamics - not sure if this is because they are decaying faster or an effect of the frequency response.

 

 

Oh no no no.  :wink_face:

post #11632 of 24295

I like my HD800, no mods, factory default and no harsh trebles.

 

I might bring back my HD800 to local retail store to compare with the older HD800 headphone (19xxx serial number), mine is 26xxx.

post #11633 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Canadian411 View Post
 

I like my HD800, no mods, factory default and no harsh trebles.

 

 

A +1 to this, (SN:27xxx) sound brilliant as they are, however amps and DACs are looming as future purchases...

*sigh* it would be so much easier to just spend all that money on music... damn. :)

post #11634 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Eternal Phoenix View Post
 

 

A +1 to this, (SN:27xxx) sound brilliant as they are, however amps and DACs are looming as future purchases...

*sigh* it would be so much easier to just spend all that money on music... damn. :)

 

I agree but I don't really want to start the long long debate again about the difference in between HD800 serial numbers.

I know many found it different (including myself) but some says it's not.

 

So, I want to keep it myself. :)  I am glad that I sold my old HD800 :), I will be angry 27xxx sounds different than my 26xxx one hahaha.

post #11635 of 24295

HD-800 with different amps

 

Moth 2A3 tube amp  9/10

Singlepower MPX03 8,5/10

HDVD-800   9.2/10 on 4pin and 8,8/10 on jack

245 45 tube amp transformer coupled 9.5/10

2A3 tube amps 9/10 transformer coupled

four board B22 9.4/10

Rudistor RP-030  9.2/10

OTL 6C33  9.4/10

 

and

OTL 300B tube amp , all problems gone this is the best amp for HD-800 it's a huge step up in soundquality to other amps rating is +14/10 from bass to highs the absolute king amp

On DSD files ( Opus) you are "there" pure live presentation the most outside your head presentation ever warm/ smooth/ detailed/ airy


Edited by thinker - 7/4/14 at 4:38am
post #11636 of 24295
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post

Oh no no no.  wink_face.gif

Yup... I can't agree with sweeping statement against the sabre. Well maybe something like a ODAC leaves a lot to be desired, but even relatively inexpensive audio-gd's 9018 dacs or sth like a hm901 pairs quite well with a neutral amp and HD800.
post #11637 of 24295
I used to think I wanted more bass , less treble and richer mids from the HD800. I realise now after 2 years of trying new headphones / modifying, trying different amps etc and using EQ that the stock HD800 run from HDVD800 and odac is perfect to my ears. The mid range is simply stunning, the treble is detailed and realistic without ever being harsh and the bass is defined and tight with the Exact amount of weight, any more and it would be overpowering and impact on the imaging and soundstage. For me personally it was a misunderstanding of how music should sound and my idea of what perfect sound is. After pursuing my idea of that sound I've come to understand that the reality is not what I thought it was. The HD800 with the right setup is very close to perfection, I know that now and I enjoy them more than ever. They never leave me wanting more and Everytime I listen to them I am still amazed how good they are. They are a remarkable pair of headphones.
Edited by James-uk - 7/4/14 at 5:32am
post #11638 of 24295
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Originally Posted by Pepper View Post

The HD800 sounds so, so, so, so much better with a pretty aggressive downward EQ from 6k to 10k... (by that I mean 3.5 to 5db down).

You lose the metallicy, thin, annoying sibilance and are left with a big, detailed sound with unmatched imaging. 

Honestly, I can listen to these for a long time (on top of the comfort factor). My LCD-2.2s, the super thick creamy sound gets annoying after awhile. You have to down EQ it in the mids to start revealing some detail, but even then the sound is pretty small compared to the HD800s! 

I didn't like my HD800s very much before the EQ, but I will never turn back now!!! 
I don't think it should be necessary to EQ headphones to make them enjoyable to listen to.
post #11639 of 24295
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post



I don't think it should be necessary to EQ headphones to make them enjoyable to listen to.

 

it's definitely not necessary to EQ the HD800 to make it enjoyable to listen to.

post #11640 of 24295
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Originally Posted by thinker View Post

HD-800 with different amps

Moth 2A3 tube amp  9/10
Singlepower MPX03 8,5/10
HDVD-800   9.2/10 on 4pin and 8,8/10 on jack
245 45 tube amp transformer coupled 9.5/10
2A3 tube amps 9/10 transformer coupled
four board B22 9.4/10
Rudistor RP-030  9.2/10
OTL 6C33  9.4/10

and
OTL 300B tube amp , all problems gone this is the best amp for HD-800 it's a huge step up in soundquality to other amps rating is +14/10 from bass to highs the absolute king amp
On DSD files ( Opus) you are "there" pure live presentation the most outside your head presentation ever warm/ smooth/ detailed/ airy

I am down to two amps for the hd800. The hdvd800 and the woo WA5 all out tube upgrades. The point is the tubes give a little warmth and on some recordings it's welcome but the hdvd800 is also very close . For me it's close race and flavor of the day. A fellow headfi bud had the F1 j. I intend to listen to it with all three side by side. I think the hd800 are fantastic and right in the middle of a stax009 and a HE6. The best of both worlds so to speak . As long as it's a good DAC and a compatible amp it's just stunning. It's hard to pick or say what's best as there is no best anyway .

Al
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