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post #11611 of 24306

I just found a flaw with it. :(  It doesn't do well with Electronica.  Ok, there is a reason why I said pop sounds lousy.  It's the treble that is used in pop, it's not like real instruments.  The treble used on pop peaks too much, and it gets rather unruly.  I will have to test out cymbal sounds as I'm not looking forward to it's cymbal sounds.  I believe the low frequency treble is where it might have pushed too much.  

 

So, for treble happy electronica, HD800 isn't very good.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 7:59pm
post #11612 of 24306
Not trying to insult you. But have you heard a Hugo ?? It is both an amp and really good DAC. It will change your whole prospective on your music. Give it a try.

Just a thought .
Al
post #11613 of 24306
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Not trying to insult you. But have you heard a Hugo ?? It is both an amp and really good DAC. It will change your whole prospective on your music. Give it a try.

Just a thought .
Al

No insult taken.  I've heard of it, yes.  I don't want to commit on it, I would like to audition it first.  I've had times where a thread would be full of rave reviews an the product not meeting up to the hypes.  What I have right now as source sound really good and if the Hugo performs subpar, then I have a $2.5k brick that I don't really need.  I would like to audition it though.  I wouldn't mind borrowing yours Al, I'm in the East cost.  :gs1000smile:  

 

Anyhow, it's not all Electronica it sounds bad.  Some electronica, the thick treble that are forward creates problems.  Yup, it's the cymbal like sounding treble that the HD800 doesn't do very well.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 8:11pm
post #11614 of 24306
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I just found a flaw with it. :(  It doesn't do well with Electronica.  Ok, there is a reason why I said pop sounds lousy.  It's the treble that is used in pop, it's not like real instruments.  The treble used on pop peaks too much, and it gets rather unruly.  I will have to test out cymbal sounds as I'm not looking forward to it's cymbal sounds.  I believe the low frequency treble is where it might have pushed too much.  

 

So, for treble happy electronica, HD800 isn't very good.

 

I think that with the HD800 you're finally able to hear that the ODAC is too bright. Sabre chips are not the best match here.

Al is right: you should try the HD800 with a different upstream gear, and Hugo is said to work really well with them. 

post #11615 of 24306
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Just go the HD800, I got to say, I'm not too impressed with it.  It is resolving for sure, but it does sound thin.  I would say it's on the cold side.  I much prefer the HE-6.  It doesn't wow me like when I first got the HE-6.  The treble sounds tinny or should I say unnatural.  frown.gif  

I got to say HD800 has that BA iem tinny sound.  I would say HD800 is one of those phones that doesn't sound differentiated from iems like the LCD or the HE6.  To me it sound like iems.  Closer to what I remember of ER4.
I'd give it more time. Can take a while to get used to the resolution and how it affects the rest of the sound.
post #11616 of 24306
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

I just found a flaw with it. frown.gif   It doesn't do well with Electronica.  Ok, there is a reason why I said pop sounds lousy.  It's the treble that is used in pop, it's not like real instruments.  The treble used on pop peaks too much, and it gets rather unruly.  I will have to test out cymbal sounds as I'm not looking forward to it's cymbal sounds.  I believe the low frequency treble is where it might have pushed too much.  

So, for treble happy electronica, HD800 isn't very good.
Electronica is one of the HD800's strengths in many opinions, including mine. Perhaps you are not used to the level of resolution and are thus listening too loud (easier to do than you might think)? These days about 80% of my listening is electronica and I exclusively use HD800s.
post #11617 of 24306

Electronic is god mode on HD800. Better than the darker LCD-2, LCD-3 and the more energetic HE-500, HE-6. Same applies for treble IMO. Also, the HD800's bass is very speaker like in terms of it's saturation. Not only is the soundstage speaker like, but so are the kicks. It might be the ODAC or the rest of the chain.

post #11618 of 24306

After more extended listen.  It resolves well, but I don't see much beyond it.  I'm starting to get why people are saying these sound unnatural.  It's detailed, but not the detailing I like, it just sounds treble boosted.  :(  The sibilance....  The definition consists of treble mostly, that's not how nature puts out sound.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 10:54pm
post #11619 of 24306
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Electronica is one of the HD800's strengths in many opinions, including mine. Perhaps you are not used to the level of resolution and are thus listening too loud (easier to do than you might think)? These days about 80% of my listening is electronica and I exclusively use HD800s.

 

I'm in the same boat. I listened a lot of electronica last weeks and IMO too the HD800 reproduces ELectronica stunningly well.

 

Siverears : IMO & IME the HD800 is very very sensitive to the gear & EQ. so it's easy to make yourself the sound you like with a HD800. That been said, if you reallydislike the Senn at the first listen, nothing will change it in another headphone.On my rig, to my ears, the Beyerdynamic T1 is  more sibilant & bright & dry than my HD800. And even if I recognize that the LCD3 is a very good headphone I found the Audeze to be a bit bland & congested.

 

Matter of preference as usual :cheers:

post #11620 of 24306

I am used to high resolution. I have the NT6 and the HE-6 which are both very resolving.  One thing I'm not into is boosted treble.  I know the difference.  Of course I can look for a warmer DAC or look for a DAC that has lower treble dip or EQ it, but I have not experienced to such extreme.  I belive what I'm hearing is what it is.  I've read impressions and I'm hearing what is commonly said about these.  

 

I find that the HE-6 has superb resolution, but it sound more natural.  The resolution on the HD800 sounds purposely boosted as when you start hearing tinny sounds, you know it's very cold and analytical.  People say the Sennheiser amp sounds bright, I think it's the headphone that's giving that impression.  

post #11621 of 24306

The fact is that personally I never found the HD800 cold or unnatural even compared to some of the best competitors i had the chance to own or try seriously.

 

I owned and loved the HE-4 and something in the treble is boosted too, I owned and dislike the HE-400 because of the treble glare. I tried the HE-500 and found it a bit bright. I hate the beyerdynamic T1 because of its peaky treble.  We're not all equally sensitive . Some people hate 6khz boost ( HD800 haters) , some other hate 8khz peaks ( I.E me :D a other beyer haters) , some other can't bear the 9/10Khz peaks (Ultrasone haters) . If you like laid-back treble stay away from german headphones :D

post #11622 of 24306

Speaking of looking for warm treble dip source.  I agree with Golden Ear's graph.

 

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post #11623 of 24306
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post

After more extended listen.  It resolves well, but I don't see much beyond it.  I'm starting to get why people are saying these sound unnatural.  It's detailed, but not the detailing I like, it just sounds treble boosted.  frown.gif   The sibilance....  The definition consists of treble mostly, that's not how nature puts out sound.
I owned the HE-6 for a while. They are nowhere near as resolving as HD800s. Definition, by 'definition', is a treble characteristic. If you mean how detail and texture come through in other areas of the spectrum, you'd be wrong again. HD800 has some of the most visceral, controlled, come-from-nowhere bass, and very realistic mids, especially vocals. Some people say they have grainy mids cause vocals sound grainy. Do yourself a favor and listen at a microphone's perspective to someone talking or singing, it's not as clean and smooth as people would like. There's your real.
post #11624 of 24306

The resolvement is perception from result of lack of body with boosted treble.  I'm done here.

post #11625 of 24306
Alright, enjoy your fault-masking headphones.
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