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post #11581 of 24295
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post
 

 

.., but I'd value posts by an EE or audio engineer, with a post count of 12, 100x more than the post of a 15 year old who hangs out all day in the video game forum and the "what I'm listening to right now" thread, posting thousands of youtube links and/or about how great his $50 skullcandy buds sound.  That the latter is a "supremus" bums me out. 

 

(Edit to correct typo)

I'm an electrical engineer (with a Ph.D.), written a textbook on signal processing, served as President of the IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) Signal Processing Society, elected a Fellow of the IEEE for work in signal processing, worked on acoustics research at Bell Labs, and I'm *still* a novice at "headphonology."

 

I like to think that some of my better posts, e.g., this one: http://www.head-fi.org/t/721406/how-we-rank-our-own-headphones-statistics-of-2-000-owner-rankings-compiled#post_10597847 that tells how we compare our own headphones in a way that allows others considering a particular model of headphone to know how others that already have it compare it to their own inventory, with the chance that the prospective buyer can relate to one or more of them, or my so far 10 systematic 3-way comparisons of headphones as most recently summarized here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/723136/battle-of-the-bassys-beats-pro-yamaha-pro-500-and-beats-studio-2013-compared#post_10634722 , gives me license to post some really stupidly funny stuff, like this...  http://www.head-fi.org/t/709045/spank-those-celebrities-cans#post_10344094  about what we can DO about the popularity of Beats By Dr. Dre headphones, or this... http://www.head-fi.org/t/720963/ode-to-dr-7a-the-headphone-con-s-sewer#post_10588447 which is my poetic ode to a DR. other than Dre, the DR-7A, that got me started on all this.

 

I have so much to learn! But I do think putting my recently-ordered color-coordinated Sennheiser HD 800 and HDVD 800 into my avatar makes me look smarter already, even though they won't arrive for a few weeks, don't you? :veryevil: 

post #11582 of 24295
Damn who got you started.
Hey known the top three headphones. How lucky am I
Edited by ALRAINBOW - 7/3/14 at 6:25pm
post #11583 of 24295

Is that you Munson?  The famous signal processing professor?  Anyway, I disagree with the rank, I would put the HE-6 at the top. :o  HD800 has the largest number of users.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 6:28pm
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Hey guys, has anybody done blind tests on the HD800 between 320 MP3 and FLAC? I find I cannot tell the difference on anything before, but I find that I got 80% correct on a blind test with my own equipment and music that I am familiar with. This really amazed me, I never thought there was any significant audible difference between FLAC and MP3 but apparently there is...

post #11585 of 24295
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post
 

Hey guys, has anybody done blind tests on the HD800 between 320 MP3 and FLAC? I find I cannot tell the difference on anything before, but I find that I got 80% correct on a blind test with my own equipment and music that I am familiar with. This really amazed me, I never thought there was any significant audible difference between FLAC and MP3 but apparently there is...

I think to maximize the potential to notice difference, you should compress the most well recorded with lots of intricate details and that outputs the full spectrum.  If you do this, you will have no doubt the there is no difference, but if you use some crappy recording, you cannot be sure as some FLAC should not be FLAC.

post #11586 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Is that you Munson?  The famous signal processing professor?  Anyway, I disagree with the rank, I would put the HE-6 at the top. :o  HD800 has the largest number of users.


Not Munson but we know each other...

 

And the HE-6 was rated ahead of the HD 800 six times; the HD 800 was rated ahead of the HE-6 five times, by the eleven folks who rated both.  That's why it has a white dot ("essentially equal") on that ranking matrix.

 

But indeed to the purist, the HE-6 came out ahead.


Edited by ruthieandjohn - 7/3/14 at 6:56pm
post #11587 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

I think to maximize the potential to notice difference, you should compress the most well recorded with lots of intricate details and that outputs the full spectrum.  If you do this, you will have no doubt the there is no difference, but if you use some crappy recording, you cannot be sure as some FLAC should not be FLAC.

But I do hear a difference most of the time? 

 

I agree that you have to use good tracks to test though, all MP3 tracks used were compressed from the original file with foorbar. 

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Originally Posted by kayandjohn View Post
 


Not Munson but we know each other...

 

And the HE-6 was rated ahead of the HD 800 six times; the HD 800 was rated ahead of the HE-6 five times, by the eleven folks who rated both.  That's why it has a white dot ("essentially equal") on that ranking matrix.

Ok, so after extended listen, I'm liking them.  I like how it resolves, and it is indeed very tight out of my Beta 22.  So, I have tried 3 TOTL with my Beta 22(HE-6, HD800, and LCD2.2), and they all come out sounding the most tight, and least muddy out of all  my amps(Others are not as high powered), and LCD2.2 performs the most poor.  After trying all these 3, I realized LCD2.2 is just poor, and it's not my amp.  

 

I think I just needed the brain burn-in like any other phones.  Now I'm sure if the headphones are bright initially, you need to burn-in your brain for awhile for it to sound good.  This is the same for my top CIEM, the NT-6, it sounds bright initially, and I give it time, it sound fantastic.  I think the HD-800 is the same way.  The HE-6 is definately thicker or should we say warmer.  Definately lacking in bass, and this could be the reason for extreme clarity and resolution.  I don't know what it is, but it doesn't have that distinguishing characteristics of separated from iems like the the LCDs or the HE series.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 7:01pm
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I can hesr a difference in the same ripped cd , verses the original one .

the he 6 scores high cause it sounds closets to real speakers . but the hd800 is much more accurite in presentation . but the dac must oh high qulity as well as the source for this to be done well .
al
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I can hesr a difference in the same ripped cd , verses the original one .

the he 6 scores high cause it sounds closets to real speakers . but the hd800 is much more accurite in presentation . but the dac must oh high qulity as well as the source for this to be done well .
al

I believe the amp is the more important than the DAC, because DAC has more subtle affect in presentation.  Once you have the cleanest amp, it's the DAC next as the DAC has an analog stage also, and if it has a quality analog stage, it would sound more accurate for sure.  So far, I've been very happy with my ODAC.  I know we tend to automatically associate cost with quality, but if you AB the DACs, the difference will be subtle.  I have yet to find a DAC to beat the ODAC, even the more expensive ones.  I have not tried DAC with regulated PS though.  Does that make a big difference with DACs?  


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 7:12pm
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What amp are your using? The B22 right? 

post #11592 of 24295
For me it's feh source as in DAC. Why cause if the DAC stinks the whole chain does
So no matter how good them is it still stinks.
Although it is all important
Take o2 amp and there DAC it has a certain sound now take a better amp how much better is it. Not much
post #11593 of 24295
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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post
 

What amp are your using? The B22 right? 

Correct, but 2 channel. It's too much of a hassle to go balanced, so I stick with SE.  I've had good luck with hard to drive HE-6 also, so don't under estimate it.  The 2 channel build should not be be super expensive,  you can find one reasonably priced.


Edited by SilverEars - 7/3/14 at 7:13pm
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I have heard the HE-6, not sure what was used to drive it exactly, but I really liked it. IMO the headphones I've heard goes HD800, HE-6, LCD-3, Abyss, HE-500 and the LCD-2. For some reason I just didn't like the Abyss. 

post #11595 of 24295
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

Ok, so after extended listen, I'm liking them.  I like how it resolves, and it is indeed very tight out of my Beta 22.  So, I have tried 3 TOTL with my Beta 22(HE-6, HD800, and LCD2.2), and they all come out sounding the most tight, and least muddy out of all  my amps(Others are not as high powered), and LCD2.2 performs the most poor.  After trying all these 3, I realized LCD2.2 is just poor, and it's not my amp.  

 

 

 

Before I had HD800 I thought LCD2.2 was the best headphone in the world (mislead by lot of lcd2 fanboys people :)

Since then my ears grew up, I find LCD2 muddy compare to HD800. HD800 is truly in the different league.

 

I don't know what I was thinking. I say LCD2s are mid-fi headphones IMO.

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