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post #11476 of 14016
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post

Have you heard the Zana Duex Al? apparently the WA22 sounds closer to that than it does the WA2

If you don't mind a third party opinion - I've heard these three in rapid succession, and while the wa22 is definitely more dynamic and resolving than the woo otl's, it still isn't as fast and detailed sounding as a Zana. It is about what you would expect from a premium transformer coupled woo amp. I'd hesitate to say that it is closer to a zana than the w2 in signature, but it is definitely somewhere in the middle. Note that as a balanced (push pull) amp, the wa22 has higher power but also double the output impedance of a single ended design, so bass is actually going to be slower with more bloom when you run it that way. Noise and distortion (excluding common mode) will also be higher.

I personally prefer the mainline over all three of these as an ideal match for hd800s (to my ears), but they are certainly all fine amps - so identifying and satisfying your preferences becomes the trick.
post #11477 of 14016
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Originally Posted by skeptic View Post


If you don't mind a third party opinion - I've heard these three in rapid succession, and while the wa22 is definitely more dynamic and resolving than the woo otl's, it still isn't as fast and detailed sounding as a Zana. It is about what you would expect from a premium transformer coupled woo amp. I'd hesitate to say that it is closer to a zana than the w2 in signature, but it is definitely somewhere in the middle. Note that as a balanced (push pull) amp, the wa22 has higher power but also double the output impedance of a single ended design, so bass is actually going to be slower with more bloom when you run it that way. Noise and distortion (excluding common mode) will also be higher.

I personally prefer the mainline over all three of these as an ideal match for hd800s (to my ears), but they are certainly all fine amps - so identifying and satisfying your preferences becomes the trick. 

I see you built your mainline yourself - do you have pictures of the build. Maybe send a link or something. I would be interested to see that build in progress because I plan on building maybe the bottlehead myself this year. 

post #11478 of 14016
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

I see you built your mainline yourself - do you have pictures of the build. Maybe send a link or something. I would be interested to see that build in progress because I plan on building maybe the bottlehead myself this year. 

 

Absolutely!  I'll shoot you a PM with links.  

post #11479 of 14016


The HD800 Synergy is very good with the Vali amp especially for the price of entry on the Schitt Vali amp.
Buy IMHO not a chance in hell you could convince me that it sounds better than the HDVD800, and I've own both especially if you play the HDVD800 balanced, it's not even close.

post #11480 of 14016

What do you think about the BHA-1 compared to HDVD800 / HDVA600?

post #11481 of 14016
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I'm hearing balanced pays big dividends with the 800...?

For WA22, with balanced input, hooking the HD800 balanced vs SE to the amp = no difference.  Not sure about other amps. I can't comment.  Some people will say/believe balanced = better but i am not a member of that group.


Edited by koiloco - 6/25/14 at 8:53pm
post #11482 of 14016
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

For WA22, with balanced input, hooking the HD800 balanced vs SE to the amp = no difference.  Not sure about other amps. I can't comment.  Some people will say/believe balanced = better but i am not a member of that group.

Yes, the key for WA22 is to use the balanced inputs from a balanced DAC. It don't matter much (if at all) whether you use a 4pin xlr, a pair of 3pin xlr, or 6.35 terminated cables with your HD800.

However, with HDVD800 there is material difference of the sound form it's SE vs balanced outputs. I'm sure different amps would be different in whether using balanced output to HD800 is advantageous.
post #11483 of 14016
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

... Now I tend to prefer a more detailed but neutral sound. I took me a long time to realize that the bass was getting in the way of the music. I think every cheap system that I grew up with had over accentuated bass and I would always pick the more bassy gear over everything else -thinking it was better...

Phew... finally caught up on this thread. Now I can start commenting on real time instead of holding off because I was always about 10 pages back and out of topic.

 

I had similar tendencies when I started into this hobby, although I also knew early on that wanted detail too. But still, I thought that bass ruled over everything else. So when I thought about my endgame headphone, I thought there was nothing else to consider than the TH-900. When I went to test them side by side, I reminded myself to think about long term and long listening sessions. I thought that TH-900 was a little too bass heavy and during long listening sessions it would become fatiguing. So I went with the HD800 and do not regret this decision one bit.

post #11484 of 14016

Is anybody here using the HD800 with one of Glenn's amps ?

 

I would be very interested to know your impressions as this is one amp that has my interest.

post #11485 of 14016
I haven't really tried too many different dacs or amps with mine. I would really like to do a comparison of my set up with one of the commonly used set ups described here so that I can get a perspective of mine. My home set up is MacBook Air (USB to) Line Magnetic 502CA dac (RCA to) Line Magnetic Mini 218IA (to) HD800 or Dynaudio DM 2/7. Here is a link to a picture of my amp. http://www.head-fi.org/t/680776/line-magnetic-218-mini/0_20#post_10638604

Would anyone here have any idea what my set up would be like compared to the ones mentioned on this thread?
post #11486 of 14016
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Originally Posted by whirlwind View Post
 

Is anybody here using the HD800 with one of Glenn's amps ?

 

I would be very interested to know your impressions as this is one amp that has my interest.

Dubstep Girl had it with her HD800 (the OTL) and loved it but she had some amazing tubes. If I remember correctly she preferred it to the Wa22 (maybe that might cause controversy :evil:

 

Suppose to be an amazing amp. I will  buy one eventually. I was supposed to buy the OTL but changed my mind. I want to get something a bit more exotic like maybe - a speaker headphone 300b in the future with Lundahl transformers :eek:! Time will tell.  


Edited by magiccabbage - 6/26/14 at 5:40pm
post #11487 of 14016
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

Dubstep Girl has it with her HD800 (the OTL) and loved it but she had some amazing tubes. If I remember correctly she preferred it to the Wa22 (maybe that might cause controversy :evil:

DG had it for a short while on loan. jc9394 has it with HD 800. & Yes, it is supposed to be "better" than WA22. Supposed to have smaller sound stage than WA22 but more dynamic. Will update when I get mine.....


Edited by punit - 6/26/14 at 6:43am
post #11488 of 14016
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

DG had it for a short while on loan. jc9394 has it with HD 800. & Yes, it is supposed to be "better" than WA22. Supposed to have smaller sound stage than WA22 but more dynamic. Will update when I get mine.....

Oh, you are getting one. Nice.. congrats :beerchug: - are you going to be using HD800 primarily ? What tube types have you got in store? 

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Yes, Primarily for HD 800 but Glenn said he will put in a switch so that I can use it with low impd phones as well (with certain tubes). It uses same tubes as WA22, so will use from my collection below :.

 

Power:

 


WE421A
TS 5998
TS 7236
GEC 6AS7G
GEC 6080
Mullard 6080
Chatham 6080 WB Solid Graphite Plates
Bendix 6080 WB Solid Graphite Plates

 

Driver:


TS BGRP 6SNTGT
TS 6SNTGT
Sophia Elect. 6SN7
Ken Rad VT231 6SN7GT Black Glass
TS BP 6F8G
National Union 6F8G
Sylvania 6F8G
Mullard CV 181
Brimar CV1988
RCA Red Base 5692
Sylvania Bad Boy 6SN7GT (1952)

 

Rectifier:


Sophia Elect. 274B
Western Electric 422A
Brimar (GEC) U52
Mullard 5V4G (GZ32)
Philips (Mullard) GZ34 (metal base)
USAF 596
EML 5U4G
Cossor GZ37
RCA 5U4G
Philips 5R4GY


Edited by punit - 6/26/14 at 7:05am
post #11490 of 14016
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

Yes, Primarily for HD 800 but Glenn said he will put in a switch so that I can use it with low impd phones as well (with certain tubes). It uses same tubes as WA22, so will use from my collection below :.

 

Power:

 


WE421A
TS 5998
TS 7236
GEC 6AS7G
GEC 6080
Mullard 6080
Chatham 6080 WB Solid Graphite Plates
Bendix 6080 WB Solid Graphite Plates

 

Driver:


TS BGRP 6SNTGT
TS 6SNTGT
Sophia Elect. 6SN7
Ken Rad VT231 6SN7GT Black Glass
TS BP 6F8G
National Union 6F8G
Sylvania 6F8G
Mullard CV 181
Brimar CV1988
RCA Red Base 5692
Sylvania Bad Boy 6SN7GT (1952)

 

Rectifier:


Sophia Elect. 274B
Western Electric 422A
Brimar (GEC) U52
Mullard 5V4G (GZ32)
Philips (Mullard) GZ34 (metal base)
USAF 596
EML 5U4G
Cossor GZ37
RCA 5U4G
Philips 5R4GY

It can also use a GEC U52 rectifier right ? 

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