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post #11446 of 19513
A big difrence in opinions like this is why reviews and even our own
Subjective views just make no sense some times.
I can say things that others say the opposite
My first thought is they must be wrong. But it's not that simple sometimes.
A better approach is find people who share your thoughts and bounce off if them
This works much better for me.
Al
post #11447 of 19513
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

A big difrence in opinions like this is why reviews and even our own
Subjective views just make no sense some times.
I can say things that others say the opposite
My first thought is they must be wrong. But it's not that simple sometimes.
A better approach is find people who share your thoughts and bounce off if them
This works much better for me.
Al

I agree. It does take time to find people who like the same sound signature and also listen to the same kind of music. When I first joined headfi I always gravitated towards SQ with beefy bass and had taking advice from anyone and everyone regardless of what they listened to. Now I tend to prefer a more detailed but neutral sound. I took me a long time to realize that the bass was getting in the way of the music. I think every cheap system that I grew up with had over accentuated bass and I would always pick the more bassy gear over everything else -thinking it was better. 

 

When DG said it was lean (WA22) - I was putt off by that, but because she has a completely different taste to me and the fact that I don't care for bass heavy gear anymore is making me think that I have been a bit harsh on the WA22. 

 

Have you heard the Zana Duex Al? apparently the WA22 sounds closer to that than it does the WA2

 

 

 

I would like to hear some WA22 vs DNA stratus impressions - that would be interesting. 

post #11448 of 19513
I haven't heard the WA22 but I can attest that upgrading the stock WA2 with the 5998 power tubes raises the SQ to another level.

Oh yes.
post #11449 of 19513
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Originally Posted by OldSkool View Post

I haven't heard the WA22 but I can attest that upgrading the stock WA2 with the 5998 power tubes raises the SQ to another level.

Oh yes.


Huge difference on WA22 with upgraded tubes!  Night and day, I would say.

post #11450 of 19513
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Originally Posted by OldSkool View Post

I haven't heard the WA22 but I can attest that upgrading the stock WA2 with the 5998 power tubes raises the SQ to another level.

Oh yes.


+1

post #11451 of 19513
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Originally Posted by punit View Post

Amazing

WA22 (with Maxed out tubes , these are even better than the upgrades Woo offers)
AGD M9

Very Good
Bottlehead Crack with Speedball (with GEC 6AS7G / WE421A)

Good
Woo WA6
Darkvoice 336SE

Bad / Average
Schiit Lyr
Meier Classic

Above is based on my personal preference. YMMV. Waiting for my Glenn Custom OTL, which I am told is even better than WA22 with the HD 800.

For Silver Ears response. I've tested the HD 800's with the Burson Solist SL and that works absolutely beautiful. You get a nice balanced sound with tight Bass while every little bit of the 800's dynamics are maxed out. The soloist is in short, a wonderful pairing. However, I recommend replacing the stock AC power cord and getting a quality power line conditioner that supports LiFT and EVS technologies. The FURMAN SPT 8D is wonderful and ensures your gear will get clean power, and PANGEA makes great AC power cords. Get one that has PCOCC copper (with LITZ) and a 12 AWG because it can support a ton of insulation and conductors. Very very clean. It will improve your Burson's sound quality....tighter bass, focused dynamics and of course that nice pitch black background. smily_headphones1.gif

Another option is using the OPAMP that is in your AVR receiver. I have a Harman Kardon and that receiver/amp is quite good with the HD's and you can really maximize the bass levels the HD 800's can support cleanly; however with that OPAMP you get a bit more white noise background and the sound is not as tight and balanced as with the Burson. It's good If you have the right DAC (I use ARCAM) but paired with dedicated SS is a more audiophile grade.
These are my findings and experience so far. Hope it helps.
Oh one last thing. If the HD 800's treble and and sibilance is a little too weighty I'd opt for a cable upgrade. Toxic Cables (Copper Venom OCC) seems to give the most improvement for this matter. Depending on your chain of sound you can get a 7-10% increase in sound quality and treble smoothing with that cable. Happy listening. smily_headphones1.gif
post #11452 of 19513

Congrats Matt and welcome buddy :beerchug: 

post #11453 of 19513
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Congrats Matt and welcome buddy :beerchug: 

 

Thank you kindly. I'm very happy to be here. 

post #11454 of 19513
You have reached the level of endgame status in headphones
Now it's DAC and amps
Enjoy
Al
Edited by ALRAINBOW - 6/25/14 at 12:48pm
post #11455 of 19513
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

Congrats Matt and welcome buddy :beerchug: 


+1,:dt880smile:

post #11456 of 19513

The amps I listed were ones that I have listened to numerous times at various meets, expos, visits to vendors, and in home.  I have listened to many many other amps, but did not include them as I felt they either did not need to be mentioned in reference to HD800's or I have not had enough time with them to make a clear decision in my mind about them. I also excluded some of the portable amps that I think work well with HD800's.  I only listed amps that I used my own HD800's w/'Q' French silk cable on it balanced where possible.  The WA22 (the three times I heard it) was with stock tubes so I will try to find one at the next opportunity that has upgraded tubes in it.

 

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Originally Posted by lin0003 View Post
 

Vali better than the HDVD800? 

In my opinion, yes, this is with the Vali on my rig at home vs. the three or so times I heard the HDVD800/600 at meets and expos.  When I heard the Vali at CanJam I was very impressed, more so with it than with Sennheiser's set-up at the show.

 

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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

May I ask what do you think is missing from the V200 / HDVA 600?

Can't really put it in words, I guess, it just did not have the impact on me that the others did.  To be fair the V200 listening was limited but I did try it on three different occasions on different set-ups and different meets/Expos.  It just did not leave me with that "Oh, that's good" feeling, it was, to me ''flat' maybe??

 

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post


It's early and I just woke up so maybe I am misunderstanding something.
But are you rating the woo WA 7 better than the amps listed below. As in better than the wa22 or senn Amps.

Also why did you give the hdvd600 and 800 different sound ratings. They are the same amp. ????
Now I am one who does beleave in personnel preference but just how long did you listen to any of the amps you have posted about. ??
Al

Yes, this is my subjective ranking, taking into account what I remember for the sound and the impression these amps left me with after auditioning them (some for extended listening sessions but not all).

I listened to the HDVD600 and 800 on four separate occasions (meets/expos). The ranking is, as I said above, my memory of the impression I was left with, taking all those sessions into account. It does not matter if they have the same specs or not, as it is what I remember and the impression they left me with that placed them where they are on my list.   This is IMHO, YOMV.

 

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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

A big difrence in opinions like this is why reviews and even our own
Subjective views just make no sense some times.
I can say things that others say the opposite
My first thought is they must be wrong. But it's not that simple sometimes.
A better approach is find people who share your thoughts and bounce off if them
This works much better for me.
Al

Here you have hit the nail on the head, I agree totally.  The rank I posted is purely how I would list them per my tastes and priorities.  It is up to each of us to decide how closely we want to follow others impressions or recommendations.

cheers :beerchug: 


Edited by bearFNF - 6/25/14 at 3:19pm
post #11457 of 19513
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

 

Thank you kindly. I'm very happy to be here. 


Wait wait, you finally decided to go with HD800?  :D  Gratz.  No neck pain.  Guaranteed!

 

I'll tell you this.  After almost 2 months of not listening to HP at all, last nite i put both my HD800 and HE500 back on and guess what?  I had the HE500 on for about 10 minutes.  The rest of the nite was HD800.  :p

 

I am thinking ... thinking...


Edited by koiloco - 6/25/14 at 3:54pm
post #11458 of 19513
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post

 

 

I'll tell you this.  After almost 2 months of not listening to HP at all, last nite i put both my HD800 and HE500 back on and guess what?  I had the HE500 on for about 10 minutes.  The rest of the nite was HD800.  :p

 

I am thinking ... thinking...

Same thoughts I am having WRT the HE500, I think...and my HD650's...:blink:??

post #11459 of 19513
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Originally Posted by bearFNF View Post

In my opinion, yes, this is with the Vali on my rig at home vs. the three or so times I heard the HDVD800/600 at meets and expos.  When I heard the Vali at CanJam I was very impressed, more so with it than with Sennheiser's set-up at the show.

Can't really put it in words, I guess, it just did not have the impact on me that the others did.  To be fair the V200 listening was limited but I did try it on three different occasions on different set-ups and different meets/Expos.  It just did not leave me with that "Oh, that's good" feeling, it was, to me ''flat' maybe??

Yes, this is my subjective ranking, taking into account what I remember for the sound and the impression these amps left me with after auditioning them (some for extended listening sessions but not all).
I listened to the HDVD600 and 800 on four separate occasions (meets/expos). The ranking is, as I said above, my memory of the impression I was left with, taking all those sessions into account. It does not matter if they have the same specs or not, as it is what I remember and the impression they left me with that placed them where they are on my list.   This is IMHO, YOMV.

Here you have hit the nail on the head, I agree totally.  The rank I posted is purely how I would list them per my tastes and priorities.  It is up to each of us to decide how closely we want to follow others impressions or recommendations.
cheers beerchug.gif  

Good reply. Next time do try the woo WA 22 in full banalce even if stock tubes. The amp must be used in balance. Now upgraded tubes is a lot better but it is pretty good stock.
Al
post #11460 of 19513
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Originally Posted by koiloco View Post
 

 

 

I'll tell you this.  After almost 2 months of not listening to HP at all, last nite i put both my HD800 and HE500 back on and guess what?  I had the HE500 on for about 10 minutes.  The rest of the nite was HD800.  :p

 

Same.

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