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post #10981 of 25453
Everyone else strives to compare to the best, right? wink.gif
post #10982 of 25453
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Originally Posted by Audio Jester View Post

Personally I don't understand how people can compare headphones with speakers, they are totally different beasts. It's like comparing cars to motorbikes, both can take you round a track but the experience is very different. If you are comparing them on cost:sonority then it is again very similar to the bike vs car analogy; cars are on average more expensive but you can still have a decent race car which is cheaper than a high end bike.
My 2¢.

 

I see speakers vs headphones exactly like cars vs bikes in term of speed/pace. You can get blazing fast (factory) bikes for much less than (factory) cars, so with the same budget it's a no-contest win for bikes. But with enormous budget, cars are much faster than bikes, just like how Formula 1 cars are 30 seconds a lap quicker than MotoGP bikes. 

 

My point, IMO headphones can't compete with enormous budget speaker rigs with room built around the rig. 

post #10983 of 25453
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

 

I see speakers vs headphones exactly like cars vs bikes in term of speed/pace. You can get blazing fast (factory) bikes for much less than (factory) cars, so with the same budget it's a no-contest win for bikes. But with enormous budget, cars are much faster than bikes, just like how Formula 1 cars are 30 seconds a lap quicker than MotoGP bikes. 

 

My point, IMO headphones can't compete with enormous budget speaker rigs with room built around the rig. 

your right they cant but it is nice to hear all the opinions. 

 

Some people think that the cut off for where speakers take the lead - 

is around the 7-10 thousand dollar range and others (like me) think -

that it is much higher - about 15000 and up. But, maybe my opinion is -

biased because I grew up listening to headphones. 

 

I think it is important to talk about these things and it is enjoyable as well.

The idea that you cant compare both is something that doesn't sit well with me -

they are both tools for listening to music and i think that when people talk -

about the differences and voice there opinions it provides insight and there is room -

for learning.

 

 

For example i find it interesting that i prefer to listen to a headphone that was designed to sound -

like a speaker (HD800) rather than listen to the speaker itself. 

post #10984 of 25453
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Wel I will give a really good answer that will start a really big bashing and debate .. And most likely a moderator showing up as well hahaha. Not because of me though.

The short answer is no speakers atleast not any good one.
Why cause speakers are top dog in ways no headphone Can handle. Even though the same is true with a hd800 headphone.
The high achy is as follows iem,s CIEMS, headphones , speakers.
The rule to follow is what gives the most detail in a real sounding way. Only speakers do this simply because that is the way we hear music or any sound for that matter.
Go in a forest a listen to the wind it's all around you not in your head. .
Now next is kind of surround sound. Again only speakers give you the staging and ambience of the recording. Some will say headphones do they do not at all. Headphones are completely fake in any representation of the sounds we hear at a live or personnel venue . Take any recoding and play it on headphones and then speakers it will sound very diffident . Music recorded up close is ok with speakers but not so good with headphones. So a dac with an Up close presentation is not as good a s dac with a little laid back .
The only type of headphone getting the speaker type sound is a planar like the he6. .even the lcd3 with EQ gets close but the he6 is top dog a this.
Speakers give you a complete sound all around you not in your head. Ok there you have it.
Al

 

Ahh now I think I understand why you say a DAC is better with headphones and another DAC better with speakers.  it is a good point though as if a DAC has some ambience, impact or harmonic richness instead of more forward presentation characteristics then it will probably sound closer to speakers in some ways.  

 

I tend to think though that this might be a bit counterproductive unless you simply can't stand the difference in presentation and soundstage with headphones.  I am blessed in that I don't have room for speakers, nor money to build a speaker system with the kind of musical characteristics and performance level which I currently find important and which the HD800 can provide.

 

The thing with presentation is that it is an illusion, either because it is the invention of a sound engineer in a recording studio, or because of any system does not accurately reproduce the original event, or both.  The imaging thing is a real drawback, but it is mostly the result of records being mixed for speakers.  In a time where headphones are used more than speakers it seems wrong priority.

post #10985 of 25453

Well speaking of HD 800 & Speakers, I recently acquired a AGD Master 9. For someone who listens to Speakers as well as HP's this is a no brainer. Amazing pre-amp capabilities to drive power amp's with speakers / HE 6 & the HP amp is amazing with HD 800 - extended treble without any sibilance & hard hitting bass. Even if you do not need the pre-amp section the amp section is good enough to recommend it as a top notch HP amp.

 

I never thought I could enjoy HD 800's on a SS amp but the M9 has blasted that notion to smithereens.


Edited by punit - 5/31/14 at 2:11am
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Yes the M9 is a very good headphone amp. The M7and M9
Combo is very good. Now the combo is on the warm side if neutral as such would help with sibilance
Kingwa s stuff is very good with headphones
Al
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

Well speaking of HD 800 & Speakers, I recently acquired a AGD Master 9. For someone who listens to Speakers as well as HP's this is a no brainer. Amazing pre-amp capabilities to drive power amp's with speakers / HE 6 & the HP amp is amazing with HD 800 - extended treble without any sibilance & hard hitting bass. Even if you do not need the pre-amp section the amp section is good enough to recommend it as a top notch HP amp.

 

I never thought I could enjoy HD 800's on a SS amp but the M9 has blasted that notion to smithereens.

 

I love my Master-6 with the HD800's as well. Brings out the best attributes of the 800's.

 

Nice to know the pre-amp is high quality as well. Have not used my pre-amp section yet but may need to in the future.

 

Enjoy your amp.

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I really want to try out a Master 9. Maybe go that route and save money and time instead of a GS-X. How does the Master 9 compare to something like the Taurus? Mostly concerned with amping HD800 through all the amps.

post #10989 of 25453
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Originally Posted by Amictus View Post
 

Had an HD800 moment there: Debussy, Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune - OSR, Ansermet. The headphones melted away and I wasn't in front of loudspeakers, I was in the concert hall. Thank you, Sennheiser. Thank you, Norbert Lehmann.


I got the CD about a week ago and just finally listened to it for the first time.

What a performance by orchestra and conductor and a spectacular recording that captured this so brilliantly.

THANK YOU again for mentioning this masterpiece :beerchug:.

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Has anyone tried the HA-501 with HD800? I'm curious about how this amp pairs with the HD800 and how it compares to the V200 or other <$1.000 SS amp.

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Originally Posted by icebear View Post
 


I got the CD about a week ago and just finally listened to it for the first time.

What a performance by orchestra and conductor and a spectacular recording that captured this so brilliantly.

THANK YOU again for mentioning this masterpiece :beerchug:.

:smile:

post #10992 of 25453
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Originally Posted by nigeljames View Post
 

 

I love my Master-6 with the HD800's as well. Brings out the best attributes of the 800's.

 

Nice to know the pre-amp is high quality as well. Have not used my pre-amp section yet but may need to in the future.

 

Enjoy your amp.

 

It is a good match IMO, transparent, neutral but without etch or glare, very refined.  When you consider the tech and capabilities nothing can get near it at the price.

 

Possible downside is that some might find it too dry or neutral.

 

Master 9 is apparently warmer, GSX mkii I heard recently was also warmer.  I would like to hear the Master 9, but not sure if it needs the extra class A bias just for HD800.  The better internal hook up wiring can't hurt either.

post #10993 of 25453
Perhaps i posted on the wrong place.. Im looking for ideas on how to determine if a hd800 is fake or not.
I made this thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/720949/new-senns-hd800-for-under-900-euros-ordered-on-ebay-just-hope-theyre-not-fake-when-i-get-them

Just hope some1 answers.. confused_face_2.gif
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Originally Posted by Reactcore View Post

Perhaps i posted on the wrong place.. Im looking for ideas on how to determine if a hd800 is fake or not.
I made this thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/720949/new-senns-hd800-for-under-900-euros-ordered-on-ebay-just-hope-theyre-not-fake-when-i-get-them

Just hope some1 answers.. confused_face_2.gif

I see you have posted this in 2 places. It is impossible for anyone to tell you if those you posted about are real but I have never seen nor heard of fake HD800's. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they would be incredibly difficult to copy. I guess you will know when they arrive. I should think if they were not genuine it would be obvious. Considering the technology necessary to make a believable copy I think you are pretty safe.

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Originally Posted by Reactcore View Post

Perhaps i posted on the wrong place.. Im looking for ideas on how to determine if a hd800 is fake or not.
I made this thread:

http://www.head-fi.org/t/720949/new-senns-hd800-for-under-900-euros-ordered-on-ebay-just-hope-theyre-not-fake-when-i-get-them

Just hope some1 answers.. confused_face_2.gif

Its more expensive than genuine hd800 price in places like hong Kong so I doubt its fake. Cheapest hd800 from grey import site is only $1050 and that's delivered price to most country
Edited by Mahdi8 - 6/1/14 at 2:33am
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