Paddy you make a good point. Dollar for dollar a set of speaker vs. a pair of headphones which one comes out on top?
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The (new) HD800 Impressions Thread - Page 731
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For speakers are better. Top in what I want tom listen too
It gives a much more real representation of what I think the recording should sound like.
I sort of agree with Zoom25.
It is a question of compromises one is willing to make.
Speakers that can beat high end HD800 rig can perhaps be had for less money,
but then one must have a room with exceptional acoustics.
How much are the ATCSCM150 ASL PRO?
I'm sure there are some $15,000 HD800 rigs out there - But not many. If we use the same DAC for both rigs at say around 4K and the amps cost 4K each (Headphone amp for the headphones and Speaker amp for the speakers), a pair of HD800s cost $1,500 vs.a set of speakers at $1,500 - This would put the speakers at $750 each. Just breaking it down.
Edited by preproman - 5/29/14 at 10:13am
+1 - personally, I'd even pick a good $7K rig (speakers/amp/DAC) over an equivilant HD800 rig but glad I have both types of systems.For me, they really complement eachother.
On weekdays I usually have only time to listen to music late evenings, just before going to bed. I can't crank up the speakers to a joyful level as the room is open and I can't close any doors, so the entire house would be "enjoying" Miles or Keith or John .. take you pick.
While I totally agree that the presentation of speakers is completely different from headphone, I am thoroughly enjoying listening to music again since I have the HD800. Simply because of room/house acoustics and not bothering other family members with my music preference.
That rig might be a little over $15k , AL ?
Just an observation, bought my HD800 a few weeks back. Using them with Hugo mostly at home. Tried my daps to see if any were adequate to drive them, DX50/DX90/AK240 etc but not even close. Then dug out the DX100 and it sounds good! Only issue is where to wrap 3m of cable for portability...
The HD800 are ridiculously comfortable and they secure quite well. Theres's no way I would dare to tilt my head more than a few degrees with the Audezes and Hifiman due to the weight and them falling off. The HD800 seem more secure about this. Although I would not trust my self with any of the high end phones, including HD800, to fall asleep with or just completely lay down flat. Speakers allow you that freedom. Also, good phase coherent speakers, like the Genelec 8260, allow you to to get lazy and off axis without sounding all weird. I enjoy the freedom much more on the speakers. There's way less fatigue on speakers.
So if HD800 go for $1500 and we can hook them up with to say an additional $2000-$4000 rig (which doesn't seem crazy at all for this thread's standard), we're looking at about $4000-$6000. For that money, I could get really close in performance to HD800 and of course have the benefits of speakers
I'd go the active monitors route over separate DAC+AMP+passive speakers. I really enjoy not having to deal with hifi components anymore. Not only can you get better (at least in my case) sound most of the time on monitors, but also remove the pain of component matching and synergy and all that.
So get a Dangerous Source DAC + controller for a $1000 which basically takes on the BDA-2 and M51 in my experience and your pre-amp and DAC is out the way.
With the remaining $3000-$5000 for active monitors (takes care of amp + speakers). There's a bunch of stuff out there, but let's go with some Genelec 8050, 1037 or the new kick ass DSP line up. These can be had used for that price. Ridiculous value. These are used everywhere around the world over the 90s and 00s. I specifically mention Genelec because like the HD800, people usually attribute the same type of sound = very clean and transparent, yet can be aggressive. Of course, not all owners feel this way, just like the HD800 owners here.
There's more stuff from Focal, Dynaudio, Neumann, Adam around that price that I'd still pick over a HD800 rig at that price for overall enjoyment and even sound appreciation over the HD800 rig, if I had to ABSOLUTELY choose between them.
If I have both speakers and headphones in front of me, the headphones will pretty much not get touched. Only if the situation calls for it. Having said that, I'd still want a HD800 and a GS-X rig type of rig and call it a day. I have lost my interest in trying out every new headphone coming out and waiting with anticipation. I much prefer to get one fitting headphone and not have to worry again for a long, long time. Same with speakers. Get used to the equipment and then start enjoying the actual substance (music, movies, TV, gaming).
^ all IMO of course (Ha I'm safe now)
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