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post #10516 of 13423

The HE560's don't really compare to the HD800.  The 560 still have that weird diffuse, kind of veiled sound that the HE500 have.  Think of it as a more neutral HE500 and you will be pretty close.

 

Personally I would take a Vali/cheap DAC/HD800 combo over the HE560s.

post #10517 of 13423
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Is it possible to live with the O2/ODAC with the HD800? because i read in many posts here that it rivals much more expensive gear.
So basicaly my question is, is it possible to enjoy, say 90% of the HD800 sound with a budget rig or is it a waste of time and money? Thanks.

Edit: good info the replys, thanks, but it's still hard to decide because some yes, and others say no:o2smile:  
Objective stack sounds quite good with the HD800, but it lacks dynamics greatly. Basically it sounds like high end radio, all the same volume (exaggerating, a little).
post #10518 of 13423
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Originally Posted by Stapsy View Post
 

The HE560's don't really compare to the HD800.  The 560 still have that weird diffuse, kind of veiled sound that the HE500 have.  Think of it as a more neutral HE500 and you will be pretty close.

 

Personally I would take a Vali/cheap DAC/HD800 combo over the HE560s.

 

That's a bummer if that's true, I haven't been following the updates on the HE-560 too closely.

 

I did like the HE-500 I had quite a lot but that was mostly for it's "dark electric flavor", which is a bit weird since the LCD-2/3/X are also somewhat dark but I mostly find them boring. The HE-500 was darkish but also somehow energetic. The comfort, build quality and poor soundstage made me sell them though.

 

So, ok ok. I give up. Get the HD800 and m-stage or schiit vali then. But that's the lowest I'd go in terms of amping.

 

Then when you upgrade get a better dac first, something neutral to darkish would be good.

 

 

And then when you upgrade again a tube amp for the HD800 is not a bad option. DNA sonett 1 & 2 are very nice with it... as is the bottlehead amps from what I hear.

post #10519 of 13423
Not a fan of the he-500. Have them now, am trying to give them a chance, but they sound great with female vocals and that's about it. Not worth putting up with their weight, IMO. Mine will probably go up for sale in the next day or two.
Edited by kugino - 5/12/14 at 6:17pm
post #10520 of 13423

The 560's aren't bad.  My point is that they are an extension from the HE500 and not really that similar to the HD800.  I prefer the HE5 to the HE560 because they have a more HD800 type sound.  The Code-X is closer to the HD800 than any of the Hifiman's or LCD2/LCD3


FWIW I wouldn't bother with the HD800 either if you plan to only get a Vali or m-stage as it seems like there is little point.  If you don't mind a more forward sound just get the HD600.  The HD800 will always trade off graininess for detail with lower end gear.

post #10521 of 13423
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Not a fan of the he-500. Have them now, am trying to give them a chance, but they sound great with female vocals and that's about it. Not worth putting up with their weight, IMO. Mine will probably go up for sale in the next day or two.

 

I liked them with electronica. Depeche Mode, Massive Attack, Infected Mushrooms, that kind of thing. You could give that a try. But overall I don't think the HE-500 beats the HD800 either. But it has some charms I think.

 

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The 560's aren't bad.  My point is that they are an extension from the HE500 and not really that similar to the HD800.

 

Roger, roger. I had hoped that the HE-560 would be able to take the nice juicy flavor of the HE-500 and add better soundstage, comfort and less weight. Maybe I was dreaming.

post #10522 of 13423

I had a demo of the HD800 today, with a variety of songs.

They were

Submotion Orchestra - Backchat

The Future Sound of London - Lifeform Ends

Howard Shore - Helms Deep

Russell Brower - New Tristam

Shpongle - Divine Moments of Truth

Massive Attack - Inertia Creeps

King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King

Pink Floyd - Money

Om - Haqq Al-Yaqin

Alice in Chains - Over Now (acoustic)

 

I wished I could have tried out more, as the HD800 lived up all the hype surrounding it for sure. I didn't try testing it with my metal, punk, EDM stuff at all as I didn't feel they'd replace what I've got now for those styles. Looks like the HD800 is going on the "in consideration to buy" list.

 

Like many always say, the soundstage and imaging were well beyond anything I had heard up until now, and the detail level was very very good. The treble never bothered me at all in any of the tracks, and I didn't find it lacking in bass at all. Yes the bass is not powerful like the TH600/900/DX1000/Sig DJ or Audeze, but its very well extended and didn't feel particularly weak to me at all - this coming from someone with mostly bass heavier headphones. I find the stock Alpha Dog to share some similarities in frequency response to the HD800 - mainly the treble, although without the same level of detail, stage or imaging.


Edited by UNIFi - 5/12/14 at 6:51pm
post #10523 of 13423
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

I liked them with electronica. Depeche Mode, Massive Attack, Infected Mushrooms, that kind of thing. You could give that a try. But overall I don't think the HE-500 beats the HD800 either. But it has some charms I think.

 

 

Roger, roger. I had hoped that the HE-560 would be able to take the nice juicy flavor of the HE-500 and add better soundstage, comfort and less weight. Maybe I was dreaming.

:beerchug: 90's guy here.  I'm a fan of the music style of the 90's, but don't find too many good recording besides the unplugged.  Smashing Pumpkins are pretty good rock recordings.  Actually, the Cure isn't bad recording wise, and love the music style. My music taste has drastically changed when I went HiFi(maybe it's the age:o).  I didn't think would get into Jazz and classical and Eva Cassidy.  I think it's because I don't notice sound scaling up with high end gear with 90's and electronic music to my ears.  

post #10524 of 13423
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

 

I liked them with electronica. Depeche Mode, Massive Attack, Infected Mushrooms, that kind of thing. You could give that a try. But overall I don't think the HE-500 beats the HD800 either. But it has some charms I think.

 

 

Roger, roger. I had hoped that the HE-560 would be able to take the nice juicy flavor of the HE-500 and add better soundstage, comfort and less weight. Maybe I was dreaming.

 

I think you will probably like them then. 

 

Comfort is improved immensely.  I honestly think the new design could equal the comfort of the HD800. I can't quite say on the soundstage because it has been a while since I heard the HE500, but the FR of the 560 is very flat to my ears. 

 

It is more the lack of clarity that bugs me.  I find the 560 lacks realism and makes it hard to differentiate instruments when compared with the HD800.  This has always been my complaint with the HE500 as well.

 

 


Edited by Stapsy - 5/12/14 at 6:53pm
post #10525 of 13423
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Originally Posted by Stapsy View Post

FWIW I wouldn't bother with the HD800 either if you plan to only get a Vali or m-stage as it seems like there is little point.  If you don't mind a more forward sound just get the HD600.  The HD800 will always trade off graininess for detail with lower end gear.
The point of the HD800 + inexpensive combo is to get your foot in the door with excellent sound and the plan later to upgrade both DAC and amp. With a plan like that, you want to spend as little as possible while still getting acceptable sound, so M-Stage or Vali/ODAC gets you there for $220-320, and allows you to upgrade a piece at a time. You gain time to sample gear at meets and research, and also time to save up for those purchases.

The end goal isn't to have a mid-fi system like HD600 + BHC + UberFrost. (HD800 combos described above would crush that mid-fi system anyways, IMO)
post #10526 of 13423
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Originally Posted by pearljam50000 View Post
 

Is it possible to live with the O2/ODAC with the HD800? because i read in many posts here that it rivals much more expensive gear.

So basicaly my question is, is it possible to enjoy, say 90% of the HD800 sound with a budget rig or is it a waste of time and money? Thanks.

 

Edit: good info the replys, thanks, but it's still hard to decide because some yes, and others say no:o2smile: 

 

Don't bother with the O2. Lacks punch and dynamics. Treble can get hot. The only positive thing I can say about it is that it has decent transparency in it's price range....but other than that it's not really worth it.

post #10527 of 13423
Definitely get the hd800's. I had them for a while with a cDAC and Vali. I later upgraded to a Bryston BHA-1 and use my E-MU0404 as a balanced source while waiting for my pulse X. As much as the Bryston was an upgrade, the Vali still sounded awe inspiring. Seriously it took me about 2 weeks to be able to listen to it without my jaw wide open lol.

The better amp squeezes out that last 10%.It does sound better. Bass is just crazy well defined and the treble is crisp and almost aggressive but not quite. if your not specifically looking for differences however, it's subtle. I'm either deaf or people enjoy talking a little too much to make up for the 1000$+ purchase a part of their brain still regrets.

Don't take me wrong. I don't think I will be getting rid of the Bryston and I'm actually still trying to make sense of why I don't want to get rid of it considering my opinion on the amp difference in SQ.

Tl:Dr get the hd800 it's amazing, even with the vali.
post #10528 of 13423
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

:beerchug: 90's guy here.  I'm a fan of the music style of the 90's, but don't find too many good recording besides the unplugged.  Smashing Pumpkins are pretty good rock recordings.  Actually, the Cure isn't bad recording wise, and love the music style. My music taste has drastically changed when I went HiFi(maybe it's the age:o).  I didn't think would get into Jazz and classical and Eva Cassidy.  I think it's because I don't notice sound scaling up with high end gear with 90's and electronic music to my ears.  

 

Lol. Yupp. :beerchug:

 

It's pretty common for music tastes to change when you get into high-end gear I think. I've started listening ot Jazz and Blues and I've never done that before in my life, you know... "thelonious monk - live at the club" and simiar. Immensely enjoyable.

 

But I still also think Depeche Mode are absolutely world class. Playing the Angle, Exciter, Delta Machine, Sounds of the Universe... all those albums are all in the "art" category for me. Very little of it is "billboard material", a lot of it is pretty dark and depressing..... but it's also insanely good and the production values are sky high. And a high end rig definitey makes a difference. Those albums are amazing on my HD800.

 

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I think you will probably like them then. 

 

Comfort is improved immensely.  I honestly think the new design could equal the comfort of the HD800. I can't quite say on the soundstage because it has been a while since I heard the HE500, but the FR of the 560 is very flat to my ears. 

 

It is more the lack of clarity that bugs me.  I find the 560 lacks realism and makes it hard to differentiate instruments when compared with the HD800.  This has always been my complaint with the HE500 as well.

 

I think to some extent the same critism can applied to the LCD-2/3/X as well? I find it harder to different instruments than on the HD800. Maybe an "ortho thing"?

 

But Hifiman is an interesting brand, I don't think they're quite there yet in terms of quality and tuning their sound. But they're improving fast! I wonder what they're going to make to replace the HE-6....


Edited by TwoEars - 5/12/14 at 7:46pm
post #10529 of 13423
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I had a demo of the HD800 today, with a variety of songs.

They were

Submotion Orchestra - Backchat

The Future Sound of London - Lifeform Ends

Howard Shore - Helms Deep

Russell Brower - New Tristam

Shpongle - Divine Moments of Truth

Massive Attack - Inertia Creeps

King Crimson - In The Court of the Crimson King

Pink Floyd - Money

Om - Haqq Al-Yaqin

Alice in Chains - Over Now (acoustic)

 

I wished I could have tried out more, as the HD800 lived up all the hype surrounding it for sure. I didn't try testing it with my metal, punk, EDM stuff at all as I didn't feel they'd replace what I've got now for those styles. Looks like the HD800 is going on the "in consideration to buy" list.

 

Like many always say, the soundstage and imaging were well beyond anything I had heard up until now, and the detail level was very very good. The treble never bothered me at all in any of the tracks, and I didn't find it lacking in bass at all. Yes the bass is not powerful like the TH600/900/DX1000/Sig DJ or Audeze, but its very well extended and didn't feel particularly weak to me at all - this coming from someone with mostly bass heavier headphones. I find the stock Alpha Dog to share some similarities in frequency response to the HD800 - mainly the treble, although without the same level of detail, stage or imaging.

 

+1. I agree with most of your observations. BTW I alternate between TH 900, HE-6 & HD 800 for Psy / Progressive Trance , I prefer the HD 800 for well recorded EDM. Just some constructive criticism : while writing a review / feedback on HD 800 it is more important to mention what amp & dac was used than what music was used IMHO (If all three (amp, dac, music) are mentioned then awesome)


Edited by punit - 5/12/14 at 11:59pm
post #10530 of 13423
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Originally Posted by SilverEars View Post
 

:beerchug: 90's guy here.  I'm a fan of the music style of the 90's, but don't find too many good recording besides the unplugged.  Smashing Pumpkins are pretty good rock recordings.  Actually, the Cure isn't bad recording wise, and love the music style. My music taste has drastically changed when I went HiFi(maybe it's the age:o).  I didn't think would get into Jazz and classical and Eva Cassidy.  I think it's because I don't notice sound scaling up with high end gear with 90's and electronic music to my ears.

 

Radiohead has EXCELLENT recordings-and sound absolutely ridiculous on the HD800s. Pearl Jam (Rearview) is not far behind either. Both seem to be mastered better than the Pumpkins (reissues aside), although I much prefer the SP over those two. Dire Straits recordings are all top notch as well, and are revelatory on the HD800s in a proper rig.

 

-Daniel

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