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post #10276 of 18535
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

Please try the grill mod, really opens up the sound stage

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619447/hifiman-regrilling-mod

thanks for the link...i'll take a look.

post #10277 of 18535
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

^^^ plus the HE500 may be low impedance but they aren't the most sensitive (compared to the HD800) and they like lots of power to open up. I would seriously consider a vintage integrate/receiver to fuel them. It can be a cheap experiment. 

i'm running them balanced through a yulong a28...should be more than enough power. i also have run them out of some 8W tube monoblocks via the speaker taps, but i need to add some resistors as there was way too much background noise (and also b/c it's probably better for the amps). i want to like them...but it has to really hold my attention for me to keep them, especially considering how freakin' heavy they are!

post #10278 of 18535
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

 

Neutral as in dry sound which mastering engineers listen to in order to make the music sound good on speakers, headphones is not the ideal way to listen to music, not to me. It might be the ideal way to do mastering. It's not musical. I know many people here like that sound. I don't. Head-fiers may not care about hi-fi setups but I have an alright hi-fi setup in my living room, Hegel H80 amplifier, Hegel CDP4A cd player, KEF R500 speakers. This is good stuff and they sound amazingly musical. KEF R series has amazing bass but also clear treble, superb mids. No, nothing sounds dry. It's neutral and musical. Not neutral and dry.

 

These are only my thoughts. I know more about hi-fi than headphones. But it seems lots of headphone enthusiasts prefer dry sound thinking it's magical. I disagree.

I have heard the Keff R500 through a Nice Rotel amp (my friend owns this system) and don't think it compares to even my WA2/HD800. Most people will disagree with me here but i think you have to scale much higher in a HIfi system with a treated room to compare to a good HD800 rig. 

 

All of this crap about MidFi speaker setups are much better than HD800 rigs are exactly that - crap. I just will not agree on this. I have heard the Keff R500 for long listening sessions many many times and my HD800 rig kicks its ass (IMO). 

post #10279 of 18535
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

Yes, head-fi is also a type of hifi, you're right. English is not my mother tounge so sometimes I make mistakes. I meant amplifier+speakers+etc...

 

In speaker terms, you know Adam Audio or Focal monitoring speakers. Now these are for music production purposes. But some consumers like that sound, even though most audiophiles do not. I'm not trying to belittle people who use monitors just for listening to music. But go to a high-end store, and you'll see lots of guys trying to buy the most neutral yet at the same time musical speakers. Of course, the pricier the better. For instance, I listened to a pair of Sonus Faber Aidas last week (I went to buy the Meridian Explorer, the same dealer was selling high-end stuff). A rich guy was auditioning them, asked if I could accompany him and he accepted (I guess you gotta be rich to even audition them). They were absolutely amazing. I felt my heart pounding whilst listening to them. But then I tried to erase the memory so that I'd love my KEFs again.

 

Hegel is a Norwegian audio company, their products are very good. Look up Hegel Super, you might like it. :)

A while back, on a different continent, I had a rare chance to listen to these buddies :

http://www.sonusfaber.com/ContentsFiles%5Chi-fi_news_02-11.PDF

They were powered by Krell KRA monos and a Krell dual preamp set up. Source was also Krell CD player and a high rez media player (can't remember the brand).

Cables most likely Nordost (some flat stuff...)

It was a session at the importer's showroom with access only, if you came in with an authorized dealer with prior appointment with time slot.

After the audition for potential customers (that obviously excluded me :D), I asked if they could play some of my CD's, which they did. Anne Bisson "Blue Mind", some tracks from Cassandra Wilson "Blue light til dawn", Carlos Santana, live ("Abraxas" bonus tracks) and Brahms Violin Concerto, Allegro, Henryk Szeryng, A. Dorati, London S.O. Mercury.

 

To cut it short, as this is the HD800 thread ;) : I was not at all impressed. At least in this combination there was no magic, no feeling, no goosebumps. It was like a heavy weight sumo or bodybuilder was trying to run. Maybe the amps were more busy heating up the non air conditioned room ( :eek: ! ) than providing music to the speakers.

 

As always it's the synergy more than just the combination of excellent pieces taken out of context. I guess these were built as a technology showpiece more than anything else. The above link was the only review I could find. Maybe that's just because of the rarity of these speakers. The importer had 2 pairs ... one at home and one in his showroom, at least at that time.


Edited by icebear - 5/2/14 at 6:16pm
post #10280 of 18535
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

If neutrality is done right, it will not be wet or dry. Regarding musical factor, that's preference I suppose.

 

Yep, it's amazing how many people have this mistaken notion that neutral studio setups sound dry or analytical. The HD800 is brighter and more analytical than most every studio setup that I've heard. Oh the irony.

post #10281 of 18535

I SOLD  LAST YAER

 

SONY  SCD-1 +TAE-1{XLR}

LUXMAN M-05+ C05 DUAL MONO CLASS A 105W RMS 

YAMAHA NS1000M

VDH CABELS C-12

 

TODAY

I MOVED TO  DENON -PMA-2000IVR

TANOY MERCUEY V4

SONY ES PLAYERS 

 

AND RETURN TO 

MY OLD  HOBY

 

i get fantastic   sound  as good and more then the hi end  seystm before !!!!

 

MUSIC  !!!  very very intment

 

EARPHONS   HD800/P-1U

 

 

i had aslo denon d-7000/akg k702/340 /hd600/hd580

 

more and more  i lesen by haedphons  so i sold al my hi end 

 

moved to big screen 120" +vplhw30es

 

in hi fi mostely  

 

hd800/t1  LUXMAN P-1U /LEEHMAN BCL

 

BEST REGAEDS


Edited by SONYES - 5/2/14 at 9:41pm
post #10282 of 18535

Seriously mate what's up with the caps lock lol

post #10283 of 18535
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Originally Posted by kugino View Post
 

i'm running them balanced through a yulong a28...should be more than enough power. i also have run them out of some 8W tube monoblocks via the speaker taps, but i need to add some resistors as there was way too much background noise (and also b/c it's probably better for the amps). i want to like them...but it has to really hold my attention for me to keep them, especially considering how freakin' heavy they are!

Yeah that should defo be enough juice! I liked them but I never had any 'wow' moments like I have had with the HD800. Of course, its not all about 'wow' as long as you are enjoying the music.. But I agree, they always seemed a little compressed and narrow - especially when compared to the Senn's. They do have a lovely tone however and I thought they did piano, Jazz, chamber music really well. 

 

I think that anyone who already owns the HD800 can only be a little underwhelmed with the HE500. It's too similar in balance and tone, only much smaller sounding and not as tight at the bottom. I think the LCD2 can offer a better contrast/compliment in the price range in regards to planar.

 

and yes... Then there's the weight issue.. Us head-fiers wear our ear armoury 24 hours a day... We need comfort!! :D   

post #10284 of 18535
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Originally Posted by SONYES View Post
 

I SOLD  LAST YAER

 

SONY  SCD-1 +TAE-1{XLR}

LUXMAN M-05+ C05 DUAL MONO CLASS A 105W RMS 

YAMAHA NS1000M

VDH CABELS C-12

 

TODAY

I MOVED TO  DENON -PMA-2000IVR

TANOY MERCUEY V4

SONY ES PLAYERS 

 

AND RETURN TO 

MY OLD  HOBY

 

i get fantastic   sound  as good and more then the hi end  seystm before !!!!

 

MUSIC  !!!  very very intment

 

EARPHONS   HD800/P-1U

 

 

i had aslo denon d-7000/akg k702/340 /hd600/hd580

 

more and more  i lesen by haedphons  so i sold al my hi end 

 

moved to big screen 120" +vplhw30es

 

in hi fi mostely  

 

hd800/t1  LUXMAN P-1U /LEEHMAN BCL

 

BEST REGAEDS

Thats some great gear you've got there. You also have great taste in music too! 

 

:beerchug:

post #10285 of 18535
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Originally Posted by magiccabbage View Post
 

I have heard the Keff R500 through a Nice Rotel amp (my friend owns this system) and don't think it compares to even my WA2/HD800. Most people will disagree with me here but i think you have to scale much higher in a HIfi system with a treated room to compare to a good HD800 rig. 

 

All of this crap about MidFi speaker setups are much better than HD800 rigs are exactly that - crap. I just will not agree on this. I have heard the Keff R500 for long listening sessions many many times and my HD800 rig kicks its ass (IMO). 


I agree. Thousand dollar headphones is always going to sound better than thousand dollar speakers. What speakers don't have though, is harsh sound (except studio monitor speakers which are used in music production).  This is why I dislike AKG Q 701s. They're dry and boring sounding, as they are for music production. Some people say they sound good with tube amps, well guess what, it sounds good because you colour the sound and make it warmer. There's no neutrality anymore. Tube amps always give the headphones/music a warmer touch. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against tube amps or colouring the sound if that's what you like, but it's a not a neutral sound you'd hear anymore.

 

Teac HA-501 amp, which a friend of mine has, is a really neutral amp, but also very musical. You can hear Q701s for what they are on that amp. Boring and dry professional headphones. Sennheiser Momentums sound very musical and engaging. I might buy that amp actually, it's really good. Pair it with Meridian Explorer...


Edited by obsidyen - 5/3/14 at 1:40am
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LUGBUG 1:beerchug:

THANK YOU 

ALL 

THIS IS WHAT IS LEFT FROM 

 

3 MUSIC ROOMS THAT   UESD

 

 

I WELL UP LOUD  

THANK YOU


Edited by SONYES - 5/3/14 at 3:04am
post #10287 of 18535
^ ^
Seriously dude, please tone down the use of CAPITAL LETTERS in your post!
post #10288 of 18535

ok

 

thank you 

this way?????

small leters

post #10289 of 18535
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Originally Posted by akhyar View Post

^ ^
Seriously dude, please tone down the use of CAPITAL LETTERS in your post!

Relax. They are only letters. does that really bother you? 

post #10290 of 18535
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Originally Posted by purrin View Post

Yep, it's amazing how many people have this mistaken notion that neutral studio setups sound dry or analytical. The HD800 is brighter and more analytical than most every studio setup that I've heard. Oh the irony.
Which headphone do you think is the closest to neutral? Do you think sr-009 is bright?
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