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Originally Posted by kugino View Post
 

 i'm trying to get used to my he-500, too, but find that it's great with female vocals, but so far it sounds a bit narrow/compressed to me. need more time with them. 

Please try the grill mod, really opens up the sound stage

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619447/hifiman-regrilling-mod

post #10277 of 13360

^^^ plus the HE500 may be low impedance but they aren't the most sensitive (compared to the HD800) and they like lots of power to open up. I would seriously consider a vintage integrate/receiver to fuel them. It can be a cheap experiment. 

post #10278 of 13360

HI 

I HAVE  HD800  159XX

VERY VERY OPEN

MY FREIND  HAVE  122XX

 

WE COMPER  WHIT LUXMAN P=1U   ONE WEEK AGO

 

WE FOUND  THAT  THE OLDER  HD800

 

HAS  LITEL MORE CLER MID /HI  LASS HARSH DIGITAL  UP SOUND !!!

 

AND

MY  HD 800  HAVE MORE OPEN  TO ALL DERCTIOS  ALL RECORDINGS HAS ALL THE WAY UP

 

WHEN THE RECORDING IS HARSH   IN MY HD   800  NO  159XX  IS MORE OPEN 

 

HIS 

IS MORE  ANALOG  

 

 SO 

I HAVE RED  THAT  FROM 24000  THAY HAVE  DEFERNT  GEAF  IN HD800

 

DO  ALL ONERS  OF HD800  HAVE  ALL THE WAY UP SOUND 

 

I HAVE ALSO T1  FROM THIS WEK IT SOUND VERY VERY GOOD 

 

I MADE  CABEL MOD  

post #10279 of 13360

AB, CD goldfish?

LMNO goldfish!

SMR2 goldfish-CMPN?!

 

-toodles

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^ Broken caps lock keyboard ftw! Checking his profile proves this tongue.gif

@Nimzerz
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Bless.. 

post #10282 of 13360
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

 

Neutral as in dry sound which mastering engineers listen to in order to make the music sound good on speakers, headphones is not the ideal way to listen to music, not to me. It might be the ideal way to do mastering. It's not musical. I know many people here like that sound. I don't. Head-fiers may not care about hi-fi setups but I have an alright hi-fi setup in my living room, Hegel H80 amplifier, Hegel CDP4A cd player, KEF R500 speakers. This is good stuff and they sound amazingly musical. KEF R series has amazing bass but also clear treble, superb mids. No, nothing sounds dry. It's neutral and musical. Not neutral and dry.

 

These are only my thoughts. I know more about hi-fi than headphones. But it seems lots of headphone enthusiasts prefer dry sound thinking it's magical. I disagree.

 

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Neutral as in dry sound which mastering engineers listen to in order to make the music sound good on speakers

Neutral can't be wet or dry. I think the main reason why people keep associating studio gear with dry is not actually based on the speakers performance but rather the room. Most people usually listen to their speakers in room. So by the nature of the typical rectangular room, you're going to get lot of reflections and just get accustomed to a wet sound. Put monitors in an untreated room and  you get the same thing but to a lesser extent. My room is pretty tight with only a minor wet sound.

 

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headphones is not the ideal way to listen to music, not to me.  It might be the ideal way to do mastering.

Agreed. Speakers throw a better centerstage as well as a sound coming from the front. The HD800 in this regard are probably the best compromise I've heard to date. People only use headphones for bass checks or monitoring. Mixing purely on headphones is annoying as hell.

 

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 It's not musical.

More on that later.

 

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Head-fiers may not care about hi-fi setups but I have an alright hi-fi setup in my living room, Hegel H80 amplifier, Hegel CDP4A cd player, KEF R500 speakers. This is good stuff and they sound amazingly musical. KEF R series has amazing bass but also clear treble, superb mids.

I thought head-fi is mostly for hifi setups.:blink: Gearslutz is more for studio stuff. I don't know about your Hegel stuff but I have extensively heard all the Q series and the R series as well as the LS50 and I definitely agree that the R series is pretty decent. I like them a lot more over the PSB stuff.

 

 

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It's neutral and musical. Not neutral and dry.

 

 

 

If neutrality is done right, it will not be wet or dry. Regarding musical factor, that's preference I suppose.

 

The reason why I love studio gear is because it does neutral the proper way. So not just having a neutral FR but ALSO having a neutral presentation. I think the latter is equally as important and is something that usually gets lost. I've heard gear that sounds neutral but the presentation is either way too laid back or too forward in your face. If a gear can do the FR and the presentation down the middle, it allows for a very easy going, unforced, relaxed, yet still full of life and dynamics experience. I rarely get tired of listening to any of my studio gear for this reason. Music sound like music because it doesn't try to throw an artificial boost in any aspect of the sound or the way it fills up the room.

 

If a gear is neutral in sound but presents a forward sound (think Marantz), it's obviously going to suck the air out and make it sound dry and warm. I had this experience with Bryston and NAD (to a lesser extent).

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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post
 

 

Neutral can't be wet or dry. I think the main reason why people keep associating studio gear with dry is not actually based on the speakers performance but rather the room. Most people usually listen to their speakers in room. So by the nature of the typical rectangular room, you're going to get lot of reflections and just get accustomed to a wet sound. Put monitors in an untreated room and  you get the same thing but to a lesser extent. My room is pretty tight with only a minor wet sound.

 

Agreed. Speakers throw a better centerstage as well as a sound coming from the front. The HD800 in this regard are probably the best compromise I've heard to date. People only use headphones for bass checks or monitoring. Mixing purely on headphones is annoying as hell.

 

More on that later.

 

I thought head-fi is mostly for hifi setups.:blink: Gearslutz is more for studio stuff. I don't know about your Hegel stuff but I have extensively heard all the Q series and the R series as well as the LS50 and I definitely agree that the R series is pretty decent. I like them a lot more over the PSB stuff.

 

 

 

If neutrality is done right, it will not be wet or dry. Regarding musical factor, that's preference I suppose.

 

The reason why I love studio gear is because it does neutral the proper way. So not just having a neutral FR but ALSO having a neutral presentation. I think the latter is equally as important and is something that usually gets lost. I've heard gear that sounds neutral but the presentation is either way too laid back or too forward in your face. If a gear can do the FR and the presentation down the middle, it allows for a very easy going, unforced, relaxed, yet still full of life and dynamics experience. I rarely get tired of listening to any of my studio gear for this reason. Music sound like music because it doesn't try to throw an artificial boost in any aspect of the sound or the way it fills up the room.

 

If a gear is neutral in sound but presents a forward sound (think Marantz), it's obviously going to suck the air out and make it sound dry and warm. I had this experience with Bryston and NAD (to a lesser extent).

Yes, head-fi is also a type of hifi, you're right. English is not my mother tounge so sometimes I make mistakes. I meant amplifier+speakers+etc...

 

In speaker terms, you know Adam Audio or Focal monitoring speakers. Now these are for music production purposes. But some consumers like that sound, even though most audiophiles do not. I'm not trying to belittle people who use monitors just for listening to music. But go to a high-end store, and you'll see lots of guys trying to buy the most neutral yet at the same time musical speakers. Of course, the pricier the better. For instance, I listened to a pair of Sonus Faber Aidas last week (I went to buy the Meridian Explorer, the same dealer was selling high-end stuff). A rich guy was auditioning them, asked if I could accompany him and he accepted (I guess you gotta be rich to even audition them). They were absolutely amazing. I felt my heart pounding whilst listening to them. But then I tried to erase the memory so that I'd love my KEFs again.

 

Hegel is a Norwegian audio company, their products are very good. Look up Hegel Super, you might like it. :)


Edited by obsidyen - 5/2/14 at 3:37pm
post #10284 of 13360
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Originally Posted by TwoEars View Post
 

I very much like my HD800's. It's my #1 headphone and I've owned or tried pretty much everything except Stax.

 

But I will be realistic and say that the HD800 probably isn't for you. All things considered the HD800 is on the dry and holographic side of things.

 

If you want smooth and organic best look at HD600/650, LCD-2/3/X or Hifiman HE-500/HE-6.


Thanks. I'll still try them though. I love my Sennheiser IE800s. I was hoping to hear a similar sound signature.

post #10285 of 13360
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Originally Posted by punit View Post
 

Please try the grill mod, really opens up the sound stage

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/619447/hifiman-regrilling-mod

thanks for the link...i'll take a look.

post #10286 of 13360
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Originally Posted by LugBug1 View Post
 

^^^ plus the HE500 may be low impedance but they aren't the most sensitive (compared to the HD800) and they like lots of power to open up. I would seriously consider a vintage integrate/receiver to fuel them. It can be a cheap experiment. 

i'm running them balanced through a yulong a28...should be more than enough power. i also have run them out of some 8W tube monoblocks via the speaker taps, but i need to add some resistors as there was way too much background noise (and also b/c it's probably better for the amps). i want to like them...but it has to really hold my attention for me to keep them, especially considering how freakin' heavy they are!

post #10287 of 13360
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

 

Neutral as in dry sound which mastering engineers listen to in order to make the music sound good on speakers, headphones is not the ideal way to listen to music, not to me. It might be the ideal way to do mastering. It's not musical. I know many people here like that sound. I don't. Head-fiers may not care about hi-fi setups but I have an alright hi-fi setup in my living room, Hegel H80 amplifier, Hegel CDP4A cd player, KEF R500 speakers. This is good stuff and they sound amazingly musical. KEF R series has amazing bass but also clear treble, superb mids. No, nothing sounds dry. It's neutral and musical. Not neutral and dry.

 

These are only my thoughts. I know more about hi-fi than headphones. But it seems lots of headphone enthusiasts prefer dry sound thinking it's magical. I disagree.

I have heard the Keff R500 through a Nice Rotel amp (my friend owns this system) and don't think it compares to even my WA2/HD800. Most people will disagree with me here but i think you have to scale much higher in a HIfi system with a treated room to compare to a good HD800 rig. 

 

All of this crap about MidFi speaker setups are much better than HD800 rigs are exactly that - crap. I just will not agree on this. I have heard the Keff R500 for long listening sessions many many times and my HD800 rig kicks its ass (IMO). 

post #10288 of 13360
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Originally Posted by obsidyen View Post
 

Yes, head-fi is also a type of hifi, you're right. English is not my mother tounge so sometimes I make mistakes. I meant amplifier+speakers+etc...

 

In speaker terms, you know Adam Audio or Focal monitoring speakers. Now these are for music production purposes. But some consumers like that sound, even though most audiophiles do not. I'm not trying to belittle people who use monitors just for listening to music. But go to a high-end store, and you'll see lots of guys trying to buy the most neutral yet at the same time musical speakers. Of course, the pricier the better. For instance, I listened to a pair of Sonus Faber Aidas last week (I went to buy the Meridian Explorer, the same dealer was selling high-end stuff). A rich guy was auditioning them, asked if I could accompany him and he accepted (I guess you gotta be rich to even audition them). They were absolutely amazing. I felt my heart pounding whilst listening to them. But then I tried to erase the memory so that I'd love my KEFs again.

 

Hegel is a Norwegian audio company, their products are very good. Look up Hegel Super, you might like it. :)

A while back, on a different continent, I had a rare chance to listen to these buddies :

http://www.sonusfaber.com/ContentsFiles%5Chi-fi_news_02-11.PDF

They were powered by Krell KRA monos and a Krell dual preamp set up. Source was also Krell CD player and a high rez media player (can't remember the brand).

Cables most likely Nordost (some flat stuff...)

It was a session at the importer's showroom with access only, if you came in with an authorized dealer with prior appointment with time slot.

After the audition for potential customers (that obviously excluded me :D), I asked if they could play some of my CD's, which they did. Anne Bisson "Blue Mind", some tracks from Cassandra Wilson "Blue light til dawn", Carlos Santana, live ("Abraxas" bonus tracks) and Brahms Violin Concerto, Allegro, Henryk Szeryng, A. Dorati, London S.O. Mercury.

 

To cut it short, as this is the HD800 thread ;) : I was not at all impressed. At least in this combination there was no magic, no feeling, no goosebumps. It was like a heavy weight sumo or bodybuilder was trying to run. Maybe the amps were more busy heating up the non air conditioned room ( :eek: ! ) than providing music to the speakers.

 

As always it's the synergy more than just the combination of excellent pieces taken out of context. I guess these were built as a technology showpiece more than anything else. The above link was the only review I could find. Maybe that's just because of the rarity of these speakers. The importer had 2 pairs ... one at home and one in his showroom, at least at that time.


Edited by icebear - 5/2/14 at 6:16pm
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Originally Posted by Zoom25 View Post

 

If neutrality is done right, it will not be wet or dry. Regarding musical factor, that's preference I suppose.

 

Yep, it's amazing how many people have this mistaken notion that neutral studio setups sound dry or analytical. The HD800 is brighter and more analytical than most every studio setup that I've heard. Oh the irony.

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I SOLD  LAST YAER

 

SONY  SCD-1 +TAE-1{XLR}

LUXMAN M-05+ C05 DUAL MONO CLASS A 105W RMS 

YAMAHA NS1000M

VDH CABELS C-12

 

TODAY

I MOVED TO  DENON -PMA-2000IVR

TANOY MERCUEY V4

SONY ES PLAYERS 

 

AND RETURN TO 

MY OLD  HOBY

 

i get fantastic   sound  as good and more then the hi end  seystm before !!!!

 

MUSIC  !!!  very very intment

 

EARPHONS   HD800/P-1U

 

 

i had aslo denon d-7000/akg k702/340 /hd600/hd580

 

more and more  i lesen by haedphons  so i sold al my hi end 

 

moved to big screen 120" +vplhw30es

 

in hi fi mostely  

 

hd800/t1  LUXMAN P-1U /LEEHMAN BCL

 

BEST REGAEDS


Edited by SONYES - 5/2/14 at 9:41pm
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