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post #10036 of 19164
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Now that I'm back home and not on the phone trying to make a coherent post, I can clarify some things. Given it was a meet environment, I only had about 10 minutes with most setups. The most important thing I tried to do was play my own music on the various setups to truly compare with something I'm very familiar with. Luckily, I got to this will most setups that has a USB DAC option.

 

Here are some notable pairings for the context of this thread and I'll try to put in chronological order to show what I experience and my thought process throughout:

 

Obviously started with my Questyle and my Emotiva DC-1 DAC.

 

Went over to mrspeakers' table to try out my HD800 with his setup of Cavalli Liquid Glass and Auralic Vega. Mind blown. Completely different presentation from anything I've heard before, other than perhaps the K1000 later. Not only were the subtle details more audible, but the seemed to be given their own space in a new area of the soundstage I never knew existed. The best way I can describe it is that normal recordings sounded binaural. The subtle details seemed to have their own speakers to produce just those background sounds.

 

After this, I went back to my gear to make sure I wasn't hearing things, and it was apparent there was something special about mrspeakers' setup.

 

Not sure whether it was the DAC or amp, someone else offered to let me use try their $3000 DAC out (forgot name of DAC) with my Questyle. Honestly, at this point I was not focusing on the subtle differences like small details or tonality changes, but really looking to see if I could hear that binaural effect with anything else. With the $3000 DAC, it was not there with the Questyle.

 

At this point I briefly tried the HD800 with the WA22. I don't know if it was my source or his chain, but there was some weird rattling the whole time and it took away from the experience. Oddly enough, I wasn't quite sure if I was getting a similar effect to the Liquid Glass because the rattling could have been creating that sense of extra sounds. Either way, even if it was the amp and not the rattling, the effect was nowhere as profound as the Liquid Glass.

 

Next I went over the HeadAmp's table where they had the GSX mk2 and the Stax SR-009 with BHSE. When I listened to the HD800 through the GSX, I found it strikingly similar to my Questyle. Now I didn't spend the time to compare the small differences in detail; I only cared if it could have the details jump out at me in a holographic fashion the way the Liquid Glass did. It did not. I moved on to the SR-009. I did notice that immediately after listening to the HD800 + GSX, the SR-009 + BHSE seemed to have a more natural tonality and sounded softer. However, when listening for the effect the HD800 + Liquid Glass had on subtle details seemingly having their own channel, the SR-009 did not have that effect either.

 

Before the end of the meet, I got the opportunity to use mrspeakers' Vega DAC with my Questyle. Unfortunately it did not have that binaural effect. Thus, I conclude something about that Liquid Glass amp is doing that.


I got to hear the Liquid Glass at a meet with both some LCD2's and some HD800 and it was pretty much as you described it. There is no way in the world I could see paying $4000 for a headphone amp but if you were going to do it, I don't think you are going to do much better than that amp, even at double the price. It is something I would hope most people could hear as it is special. The I will never forget the way the Audeze sounded on that setup, it was other-worldly, or close to it.


Edited by HPiper - 4/21/14 at 5:31pm
post #10037 of 19164
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Before the end of the meet, I got the opportunity to use mrspeakers' Vega DAC with my Questyle. Unfortunately it did not have that binaural effect. Thus, I conclude something about that Liquid Glass amp is doing that.

 

which tube did it have,6sn7?

maybe it's due to the tube types?

I have the yaoin 300b with 6sn7 and the soundstage is awesome

post #10038 of 19164
I posted on the last page the tubes were CBS Hytron 12SN7GT. Saying it had a large soundstage is an understatement. It wasn't a mere 20-30% increase in soundstage. It was closer to a 200-300% difference. Like I said, it made your normal recordings sound binaural.
post #10039 of 19164
Anyone have opinion on the DNA sonnet 2 compared to others around its price range like the bha-1, wa2/wa6se, super 7, taboo mkiii?

Not too much info on the sonnet 2, or I'm just looking at all the wrong places.
post #10040 of 19164
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Anyone have opinion on the DNA sonnet 2 compared to others around its price range like the bha-1, wa2/wa6se, super 7, taboo mkiii?

Not too much info on the sonnet 2, or I'm just looking at all the wrong places.

+1 on question on how good Sonett2 is with HD800.
post #10041 of 19164
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Not too much info on the sonnet 2, or I'm just looking at all the wrong places.

 

As an owner of the first Sonett I think the 800 and it pair well.  Not ultimate, but good sound.  It's kind of taken a back seat to the Mjolnir for now, but it has its special occasion nights.  And it makes me smile.  And it's said the Sonett 2 is a bit better, so... but yeah, the Sonett 2 thread is just about all there is to read about it.  Maybe some meet reports where Donald North sets up a table, like in San Francisco or somewhere over there.

post #10042 of 19164
Ic. I am hoping it'll be as good as the wa2. I'm leaning to not get the wa2 as I don't really want to get something too lush. Of course my budget might push me torward that way.
post #10043 of 19164

Sonett is not lush at all.  Based on the 6H30 tube you can expect linearity.

post #10044 of 19164
Yeah that's why I'm inquiring about it, but if it performance is no better than the $750 mojnir when it cost $1300-1400 then the wa2 sounds really attractive. I'll try to ask on the main DNA thread maybe I'll get some more people who have heard them. Supposedly the first sonnet Donald didn't use the hd800 to test where the sonnet 2 he did. I'm looking for alternate to the wa2. I might end up with the wa2 or wait for a use higher cost amp that is somewhat closer pricing. The zana duex se is what I really want, but my wallet is to scared of being too thin. smily_headphones1.gif
post #10045 of 19164

I have the Sonett 2. It replaced the Mjolnir and the Headamp GS-1 in my system. It is definitely a step up in performance from those two amps. If you are looking for a lush sound (and reportedly the Woo amps are lush), the Sonett will not satisfy. It is transparent, fast, dynamic. I would not call it a good tube amplifier. I would call it a good amplifier, period. It plays to the HD-800 strengths; it does not mask the HD-800s weaknesses (if you think its treble is a weakness). Build quality is also excellent. I have used only the stock tubes. I highly recommend it.

post #10046 of 19164
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I've just received my new HD 800's ser.no. 28xxxx. Yes, they are are "bright" compared to Senn 650's or Audeze (owned LCD2/3 and sold them for the terrific LCD-X which is a keeper). however this can easily be rectified with a little judicious EQ in JRiver 19. The holographic nature of the sound is an easy trade off for their bright tendency. Mine seem to have a good native bass response enhanced by a EQ rise of +3 at 60Hz, +2.3 at 170Hz, +1.5 at 310Hz, -1.2db at 6khz and flat thereafter. Amp is Woo WA22 (assorted tubes) with Benchmark DAC2 HGC. So, yes I've spent a "bit" (that is why I've worked hard my entire life) but to my ears worth even penny in enjoyment. BTW, how do you get that freq. response graph? No check box on the on-line registration form as Senn customer service indicated.


If your still interested in getting that graph  follow this link, fill out appropriate info and scroll down to request frequency chart ( tick the box )   http://en-de.sennheiser.com/service-support-services-register-your-product

 

Give it a few days to be emailed to you.


Edited by Mortalcoil - 4/22/14 at 7:58pm
post #10047 of 19164
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I have the Sonett 2. It replaced the Mjolnir and the Headamp GS-1 in my system. It is definitely a step up in performance from those two amps. If you are looking for a lush sound (and reportedly the Woo amps are lush), the Sonett will not satisfy. It is transparent, fast, dynamic. I would not call it a good tube amplifier. I would call it a good amplifier, period. It plays to the HD-800 strengths; it does not mask the HD-800s weaknesses (if you think its treble is a weakness). Build quality is also excellent. I have used only the stock tubes. I highly recommend it.


Thanks Jeff, This is the kind of confirmation I needed. I will most likely go for the Sonett 2, first I'm still waiting for my HD800 to ship. Everything you said sounds like what I am looking for. I'm definitely not looking for something lush and I don't have the need for the top of the crop (at least not yet), I just need something that works well with it and let me know what the HD800 can do.  Also, the fact that you are using the stock tube is a plus as I hate shopping for tubes. Did you get the upgraded TKD volume potentiometer? Do you think it's worth it vs. the Alph Potentimoeter?

 

I can't wait. :smile: 


Edited by soundeffect - 4/22/14 at 8:37pm
post #10048 of 19164
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Unfortunately it did not have that binaural effect. Thus, I conclude something about that Liquid Glass amp is doing that.


I know I am a little biased here as the LG is my "love child" - but I can honestly say that the HD800 were dead to me until I heard them on a suped up Balancing Act but they totally wowed me when I plugged them into my LG. There are very few headphones which don't sound great on it, this affords me endless hours of enjoyment. Hope you get another chance to hear it..dB

post #10049 of 19164

The 009s and HV are finally back in the house! so this comparison can begin. Should be fun

 

post #10050 of 19164
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Thanks Jeff, This is the kind of confirmation I needed. I will most likely go for the Sonett 2, first I'm still waiting for my HD800 to ship. Everything you said sounds like what I am looking for. I'm definitely not looking for something lush and I don't have the need for the top of the crop (at least not yet), I just need something that works well with it and let me know what the HD800 can do.  Also, the fact that you are using the stock tube is a plus as I hate shopping for tubes. Did you get the upgraded TKD volume potentiometer? Do you think it's worth it vs. the Alph Potentimoeter?

 

I can't wait. :smile: 

 

My Sonett2 is ordered but not received yet. It shoud leave the US very soon now. Donald adviced me to take the TKD as a better and cheaper upgrade than NOS 6H30p. The only NOS tube I purchased is a Mullard GZ34 .  Wait is looooooooong :) 

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