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post #121 of 1707

That may be right for cans under $100, but actually, I have heard a lot of cans over $150 that have more treble than M50.

 

DT770, 880, 990 are prime examples. Denon D2000, D5000, D7000 are also prime examples. V-Moda M80 and M100 are also prime examples.

 

On that note, are you saying M100 has more treble than WS99?

post #122 of 1707

The Tiesto's are far from being V-shaped.  Tiesto's are more balanced than the M100's.  Neither sound anything like the Pro900's.  To me, the PRO900's were extremely V-shaped and crazy sibilant. 

post #123 of 1707
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I have heard plenty of cans with extended highs but the M-50 highs are unnatural sounding..This more so than treble in general on them. Then their kinda limp in the mids.. AT got their tuning much better in the new cans.. Old AT sound is that. Old AT sound.

post #124 of 1707
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You have no idea the SQ jump we are talking about here.  Not only wider stage by a good margin but full blown mids in your face and lush and deep to boot. That alone is an upgrade. Then you add the bass which is not only punchier but has the quality Low lo sub bass.. No comparison.. A much better higher end tuning from AT. Get these and be done with. I am just saying. Guys that are used to having the artificial highs that are on the M50 will think these cans might lack that artificial tingle in the highs but these are so much more natural and real sounding in comparison. Absolute control in the sound including the fastest tight bass you have ever heard..

 

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Yes but most cans have less treble than the M-50s so that ain't saying much. The highs could use a bit more extension for guys that are treble happy but. I don't find the highs lacking one bit for my taste. Music sounds like music not some transformers happening while your listening to your music.

 

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I have heard plenty of cans with extended highs but the M-50 highs are unnatural sounding..This more so than treble in general on them. Then their kinda limp in the mids.. AT got their tuning much better in the new cans.. Old AT sound is that. Old AT sound.

 

Woah, these sounds like perfect for me. I much agree on your view regarding M50, unrealistic metallic grainy treble. Slightly north above neutral but it's a relatively narrow spike thereabout 9kHz area which is the issue. It's more the sound of the highs than the sheer amount boosted highs, it's rather harsh/sharp sounding and I tend to prefer rather slightly too soft than slightly too edgy highs.  I need to try these WS99 :D A bigger bass compared to M50 in mid and subbass with lush more forward midrange and no highs emphasis and larger soundstage, sounds like music to my ears.


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/13/13 at 2:13pm
post #125 of 1707
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I am just telling it like I hear it..You have never heard an AT can like these RPG..

 

See this is the mind blowing aspect of these WS99 in the highs. Believe me there is not a sound that is lacking on these cans. They even have a nice high end sparkle if it is in the tune. The depth of the highs is as deep as the mids.  These do all this in the sound and when you add all them together. What can I say.


Edited by Dsnuts - 2/13/13 at 2:45pm
post #126 of 1707
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Originally Posted by Dsnuts View Post

I have heard plenty of cans with extended highs but the M-50 highs are unnatural sounding..This more so than treble in general on them. Then their kinda limp in the mids.. AT got their tuning much better in the new cans.. Old AT sound is that. Old AT sound.

 

I don't think the M50 is representative of old AT sound at all.

 

If anything, the ES7 is the much better candidate. It's where the ESW9, ESW10, ES10, and ESW11 inherited their sound.

 

On that note, I'm interested in hearing these and comparing them to ES10 and ESW9. Sounds like they're like a more-bass-less-treble ES10, but at roughly 1/2 the price.

post #127 of 1707
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..... including the fastest tight bass you have ever heard..
you have just described how I experienced the tiesto k167 bass
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The Tiesto's are far from being V-shaped.  Tiesto's are more balanced than the M100's.  Neither sound anything like the Pro900's.  To me, the PRO900's were extremely V-shaped and crazy sibilant. 
you are correct they are not truly V-shaped but because of the deep clean bass and bright midrange, coupled with flashy sparkling treble,
they were missing lower mids and to me they gave overall impression of a v-shaped can compared to the m100 wich are thicker and bassy-er and have full rich mids.
How are tiesto more balanced when mids have 90% to do with the music and they were light and flashy with sparkling treble and fast bass stealing the show.
They were very impressive yet that is not natural.
post #128 of 1707
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My 5 new AT earphones and cans all of em have great mids. These the CKS1000,CKN50, ES700 and the AD900X. All 5 excel with vocals and this is what I mean with new AT sound..Love the fact that AT put importance of the singing voice as an important part of the tuning on all these newer models.  I own the A900X as well and I can tell even those cans, which came out last year is being left behind in sound tuning from all these new AT cans...I mentioned this on the discovery thread but I really think some of best sound tuning is being used on all these cans for their respective type sounds, which makes them a real nice value for the prices payed for each one.

 

It is like they are taking their expertise in sound tuning to a new level in each one. I know much higher end AT stuff is that but at the same time. These are the actual sweet spot so far as sound performance for the price for AT sound. And what a sound it is.


Edited by Dsnuts - 2/13/13 at 3:15pm
post #129 of 1707
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you have just described how I experienced the tiesto k167 bass
you are correct they are not truly V-shaped but because of the deep clean bass and bright midrange, coupled with flashy sparkling treble,
they were missing lower mids and to me they gave overall impression of a v-shaped can compared to the m100 wich are thicker and bassy-er and have full rich mids.
How are tiesto more balanced when mids have 90% to do with the music and they were light and flashy with sparkling treble and fast bass stealing the show.
They were very impressive yet that is not natural.

You're explaining the K167's which I agree on.  I couldn't keep them because of the unnatural lower midrange.  The K267 takes care of that issue and I like them enough to keep around.  As for the M100, the midrange isn't so bad but recessed compared to that thicker bass.  The bass steals the show on that headphone.  I actually like the treble on both headphones.  Neither are V-shaped in a traditional sense.  

post #130 of 1707
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You're explaining the K167's which I agree on.  I couldn't keep them because of the unnatural lower midrange.  The K267 takes care of that issue and I like them enough to keep around.  As for the M100, the midrange isn't so bad but recessed compared to that thicker bass.  The bass steals the show on that headphone.  I actually like the treble on both headphones.  Neither are V-shaped in a traditional sense.  
Lol OMG U R right about the m100 haha.
Mids take second to bass.
This is why I plan to get the ws99 and see if they will change my son's mind.
Doubt it tho because of the personal preference of customization of the m100 cans and quality construction.
I hope so, so I can keep these 99 for myself lol.
post #131 of 1707
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On that note, I'm interested in hearing these and comparing them to ES10 and ESW9. Sounds like they're like a more-bass-less-treble ES10, but at roughly 1/2 the price.
Forget the esw9 is a much tamer sound.
I am hoping these surpass the es10
But the es10 looks soooo good.
Wish these 99 incorporated the excellent headband of the es series. .
post #132 of 1707
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Lol OMG U R right about the m100 haha.
Mids take second to bass.
This is why I plan to get the ws99 and see if they will change my son's mind.
Doubt it tho because of the personal preference of customization of the m100 cans and quality construction.
I hope so, so I can keep these 99 for myself lol.


You know I was gonna say the sound tuning on the WS99 is much more grown up than your traditional bass can. Guys that put importance to mids and non exaggerated highs but then has that very nice full bass end to go along with it..I like your strategy. See kids will want more bass. Cus to them more bass is better sound quality. Lol.

 

The headband is fine. There is no issue with them. They are kinda like the ES ones. Built more stronger to boot.


Edited by Dsnuts - 2/13/13 at 5:51pm
post #133 of 1707
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You know I was gonna say the sound tuning on the WS99 is much more grown up than your traditional bass can. Guys that put importance to mids and non exaggerated highs but then has that very nice full bass end to go along with it.

 

That sounds like the headphone I'm looking for. I haven't heard M100 for example but I'd guess based on comments for my taste, the mids leaves slightly too far behind the bass or vocals simply aren't enough "in-your-face" what I'm looking for. It's really crucial how the mids & highs balance is for my taste and it's extremely important that highs aren't more emphasized than mids because then the mids tend to take the backseat and sound a bit hollow no matter how the boosted bass is configured like but of course it can also get too dark and muddy quickly if the highs are too veiled especially with big bassy headphones. I could even draw my personal preferred frequency response quite accurately but that's just one factor, then there's also other factors like texture & tightness in the bass, resonances in the whole frequency range (I'm very allergic to upper-mid resonances especially around the 2 - 4.5kHz or so range, good hint; take Taylor Swift's vocal performance as a measurement as her vocals are like the ultimate stress test on upper-mid resonances :p and will quickly distort like the 70's radio sound if there's any resonances present there).

 

Particularly this song "Sparks Fly":

 

 

 

This is quite good stress test for upper-mid range resonance test. Those vocals' overtones will quickly shoot into ringing mess if there's excess resonances here. So far only Q40 has fully satisfied me here, no such issues present. Take CKS77 IEMs here and I have to take those IEMs out quickly out of my ears. I think possibly even M100 doesn't fare so well here, I remember some1 pointing out in the thread to test if the vocals sounded distorted at some point in this song (cough, resonance issues cough)


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/13/13 at 6:06pm
post #134 of 1707
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Really RPG.? You gonna make me listen to Taylor Swift? OK let me check here. Geeze.

post #135 of 1707
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Really RPG.? You gonna make me listen to Taylor Swift? OK let me check here. Geeze.

 

I don't listen too often, I'm mostly into EDM but I've found her vocals to be the ultimate upper-mid ringing issue stress test so. :P If the headphones can handle the vocals they can handle everything fine without midrange resonance issues. :P


Edited by RPGWiZaRD - 2/13/13 at 6:14pm
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