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post #586 of 3608

Hi all,

   I think I'd like to chip in my accounts of the reactions of non-audiophiles. I'm not that much of an audiophile myself (as I am a basshead), but I crave lots of detail, which was born from my time here in Head-Fi. Though my Beats cannot achieve a level of detail that I wanted, I found that in equalizers, and it's helped me a lot.

 

   But I've strayed way too far from the topic now, so here I go. I realized that gen-coms (general consumers) want lots of bass, whether or not it's muddy or not. They couldn't tell the difference between good bass and bad bass either. An example of this is...my family. My dad was the most recent case. He'd bought a phone online (a TCL Idol X if you really want to know), and it arrived earlier this Friday. My dad was tinkering around, setting up the phone, etc. when he found the earphones. They were IEMs, and they were pretty black. Like, all black.

   My did tested it with teh music player and a pretoaded track (a jazz one, to be more specific) and what he remarked was something like this:

 

  

The bass is awesome. It just booms. 

   Well, he wasn't speaking English, so obviously that wasn't what he said exactly. tongue.gif It's an accurate enough translation (done w/o Google Translate) because most of what he said were exclamations, translating to "Wow." Well, the bass booms like he said, and my sis was impressed too. But for a user of Apple EarPods (which are probably the best 'phones to ever come with a phone), my sister was still quite oblivious to great sound. 

   Speaking of great sound, the living room sound system has Diamond 9.1 speakers on L and R, and I tell ya, those things sound amazing. Even the, my dad puts an EQ that takes away some of the treble, which only I disapprove of (everyone else in my family is okay with it). Nevertheless, when it comes to headphones, he's "just as blinded" (Love the Way You Lie reference). (If you didn't get that, I'll quote a line from the song: "But your temper's just as bad as mine is, you're the same as me. But when it comes to love, you're just as blinded.")

   Okay, back to the main topic. After a little fight of the earphones with my sister, I got to test it with the phone. There was a hell of a lot of bass. But unlike my EQ'd Beats, the bass muds up everything else. It's as crappy as my Apple earbuds (without the EQ). After another struggle to gain access, I finally got to test it with my iPod Touch. Eq was set to the brightest treble that it could allow. The mud was still there. basshead.gif

   I put on my Beats. No, the bass wasn't muddy (only slightly on some tracks). I put the earphones back on, and there it is again. WTF.

 

   So I've come to a realization of just how oblivious gen-coms are to great sound. Even with access to awesome-sounding speakers, headphones were different. They wanted bass, even if there was nothing more. I too love bass, but no, I wanted a different kind of bass. It felt like a better basshead's bass.

   Will they ever learn?

post #587 of 3608
Dont be so patronising.
post #588 of 3608

thatBeatsguy, try asking him if he can hear the instruments individually and their positions. Plant some seed for him to doubt the clarity of whatever he's listening to.

 

And then give him something of quality.

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Dont be so patronising.

Amen to that brother.

post #589 of 3608
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thatBeatsguy, try asking him if he can hear the instruments individually and their positions. Plant some seed for him to doubt the clarity of whatever he's listening to.

 

And then give him something of quality.

Amen to that brother.

   What, so you want me to infect him with the same disease that we all have? I don't think it'd be best for him to be talking about headphones more than he talks about the technology of...well...basically everything else. I will hate myself for it.

 

   Something of quality? Examples please. If you're going to mention anything other than my EQ'd Beats, then you need not apply; owning another pair is not what I had in mind.

 

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Dont be so patronising.

   Well, if that's how you put it, then forgive me.


Edited by thatBeatsguy - 7/14/13 at 10:11am
post #590 of 3608

Yesterday I was on a company field trip with 4 other coworkers and I mentioned that I'm getting a set of JH16's. When the conversation got to the price $1200 they all looked at me like I was crazy. One even said it was a waste of money and countered with saying iPod ear buds are good enough. I tried to explain the differences in sound quality but he just didn't understand.

 

I've found that Audio parallels the Automotive market. Some people want an low cost cheap A to B car, some want a exotic sports car, some want a bit of style and flare but nothing too fancy. It's the same with audio, some people are okay with iPod ear buds and think Audiophiles are crazy for wanting the exotic high end models.

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's a physical difference in peoples ears that makes them audiophiles? Can an Audiophile hear a greater spectrum of sounds like dog being able to pick out a specific scent?

post #591 of 3608
Well the thing about expensive cars is that they are often said to be penis substitutes. You can join the rest of the dots.
post #592 of 3608
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Yesterday I was on a company field trip with 4 other coworkers and I mentioned that I'm getting a set of JH16's. When the conversation got to the price $1200 they all looked at me like I was crazy. One even said it was a waste of money and countered with saying iPod ear buds are good enough. I tried to explain the differences in sound quality but he just didn't understand.

 

I've found that Audio parallels the Automotive market. Some people want an low cost cheap A to B car, some want a exotic sports car, some want a bit of style and flare but nothing too fancy. It's the same with audio, some people are okay with iPod ear buds and think Audiophiles are crazy for wanting the exotic high end models.

 

I'm starting to wonder if there's a physical difference in peoples ears that makes them audiophiles? Can an Audiophile hear a greater spectrum of sounds like dog being able to pick out a specific scent?

What I always do is relate it to other peoples hobbies. Lets say I'm describing my hobby to a girl, and if its a stereotypical girl, I just relate it to clothing. Thus, they will understand a tiny bit. 

post #593 of 3608
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I'm starting to wonder if there's a physical difference in peoples ears that makes them audiophiles? Can an Audiophile hear a greater spectrum of sounds like dog being able to pick out a specific scent?

Not in my case. I am an older person with hearing loss and tinnitus (from my rock & roll youth no doubt) I never imagined that good headphones etc would make a difference, but I was wrong. The sound quality of nice headphones with a nice tube dac/amp brings the music alive (and I can adjust it so that I don't have to wear my hearing aides). I can hear quality that reminds me of live performance and all without good hearing or "golden ears".
post #594 of 3608
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What I always do is relate it to other peoples hobbies. Lets say I'm describing my hobby to a girl, and if its a stereotypical girl, I just relate it to clothing. Thus, they will understand a tiny bit. 

Beware, there are some women on this site who have amazing equipment, tube collections and "supremus" classifications too!
post #595 of 3608
I think that people just need to adjust to high end sound. I remember the first time i listened to mid-fi headphones... I thought they were a little clearer. Thats it. This was comparing the xb500 to the dt770 pro 32ohms. I never even realized that there was a soundstage.

Whenever i show my hfi-580's to people, they usually say "nice bass. Its clear"
post #596 of 3608

My first experience was an hour or 2 at my uncles house with a 100k$ stereo setup. It was indeed very, very good, but the thought of actually buying audio gear never struck me at all. Not at that point at least.

post #597 of 3608
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My first experience was an hour or 2 at my uncles house with a 100k$ stereo setup. It was indeed very, very good, but the thought of actually buying audio gear never struck me at all. Not at that point at least.

Audiophilism must run in your bloodwink.gif

post #598 of 3608
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

My first experience was an hour or 2 at my uncles house with a 100k$ stereo setup. It was indeed very, very good, but the thought of actually buying audio gear never struck me at all. Not at that point at least.

Audiophilism must run in your bloodwink.gif

True. My dad has been there in his youth, and my other uncle just bought a 3k stereo setup recently. We are actually talking both side of the family smily_headphones1.gif

post #599 of 3608
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Originally Posted by davidsh View Post

My first experience was an hour or 2 at my uncles house with a 100k$ stereo setup. It was indeed very, very good, but the thought of actually buying audio gear never struck me at all. Not at that point at least.

Audiophilism must run in your bloodwink.gif

True. My dad has been there in his youth, and my other uncle just bought a 3k stereo setup recently. We are actually talking both side of the family smily_headphones1.gif

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My first experience was an hour or 2 at my uncles house with a 100k$ stereo setup. It was indeed very, very good, but the thought of actually buying audio gear never struck me at all. Not at that point at least.

That must be the top of the line stuff like electrostats in the headphone world...

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