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Originally Posted by ThePianoMan View Post
 

hahah, well I play music off spotify and iTunes on a semi-regular basis.  oops.  Can't get everything on FLAC or CD.  (I heard some drum and bass on a Living Voice Olympia Vox.  Still sounded amazing.  And I heard a Duffy Song on a pair of Wilson XLFs.  I don't think Duffy has ever sung that well in real life.  XD)

 

We listen to what we like, first and foremost!

It's super annoying how artists don't sell music in FLAC. 

And what's up with the whole record label/publishing thing. Wish all artists just sold music directly or like Bandcamp.

 

I asked for FLAC once and the only reply I got was "Lol audiophile *** snob detected lololol" FLAC's not going to make as big difference but on Youtube some songs are really quite compressed, worse than a mint mp3 file, especially with older videos. And then there are the audio people artists hire to make the tracks nice and master them, and then when I get the final product, I can hear clipping. :rolleyes: All the FLAC in the world can't fix the crap the mastering engineers didn't do.


Edited by Dark_wizzie - 5/4/14 at 10:22pm
post #2987 of 3958
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Originally Posted by ThePianoMan View Post
 

I'd argue that isn't necessarily true.  With the advent of garage band and autotune things that weren't considered music once, have now become acceptable (look at the rise of dubstep and such.  That music wasn't possible) and have lowered live performance standards.  Now DJ's give live performances.  And there's nothing wrong with that in my opinion, but it does mean that, if a "live" performance can be one guy at a mixing board, then a singer or band isn't held to as high a standard anymore.  Plus, the advent of internet and faster means for communication, the silly stuff that people used to just goof off to in their room can be shared without ever being seen live.  And people like it.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with all of this,  it just means that the traditional standards of skill and live performance are no longer as high, or rather, they are different.  Not denying that there was crap "back then" too, but of course, it wasn't easily accessible by ever person on the web.

First, I'd like to point out that using a DAW to create electronica is nowhere NEAR as easy as most people would believe.  The learning curve is much steeper than learning a  "real" instrument (play a bit of the clarinet and flute myself), and while that learning curve does level off, it's still no walk in the park.  

 

Second, I'd like to point out that while electronica certainly wasn't viable in the 60's, if it had existed it still would have been viewed as music (even if no one liked it).  None of this lowers the standards that live bands are held to.  Most people still assume that learning physical instruments is harder than using a DAW, so they're still definitely held to higher standards in that regard.

 

Lastly, I want to point out that the song "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies charted at #1 in the US for four weeks in 1969.  This is quite possibly the epitome of bubble gum pop at it's worst.  Sure, it's catchy and it can get stuck in your head for hours, but the same can be said for the Justin Biebers of the world.  

 

The internet certainly does make it easier for any idiot with a microphone to record music and distribute it, but most of this is by and large ignored.  It's also helped immensely with the distribution of high quality recordings from people who simply would not have been able to distribute their music in any other format.  No matter the era, there's always going to be ****ty media in all forms.  You have to wade through the crap to find the good stuff, but with the internet there are a lot more hidden gems to find.

 

 

 

With all that out of the way, I've got another reaction to my HE-400's to report.  A while back I was telling my co-worker about my new headphones, and he started asking me about them.  He asked me what brand they were, and when I told him they were HiFiMan headphones, he said he'd heard of them (although I'm pretty sure that was just BS - he's pretty full of the stuff).  He did seem genuinely interested in them, though, so I decided to bring them in to work one day when we weren't busy.  

 

Had him listen to "Spectres de Mouse" by Mouse on the Keys using my ipod as a source and he just completely zoned out for the entire song.  I'm pretty sure that's the longest I've ever seen him keep his mouth shut.  After the song finished, he just asked me, "can I listen to something on my phone?"  I laughed pretty quickly and told him to go right ahead.  After a song or two he took them off and told me that he'd never heard anything better and that they were, "a lot better than beats," but he didn't wanna spend $300 on headphones.  I told him that there were other options that also sound a lot better than beats for much less and to let me know if he was interested.  Might have a new convert.

 

If he does further inquire, I'll be sure to chant, "One of us!  One of us!" to him as creepily as possible for you fine folks. ;)

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Originally Posted by kuhchuk View Post
 

First, I'd like to point out that using a DAW to create electronica is nowhere NEAR as easy as most people would believe.  The learning curve is much steeper than learning a  "real" instrument (play a bit of the clarinet and flute myself), and while that learning curve does level off, it's still no walk in the park.  

 

Second, I'd like to point out that while electronica certainly wasn't viable in the 60's, if it had existed it still would have been viewed as music (even if no one liked it).  None of this lowers the standards that live bands are held to.  Most people still assume that learning physical instruments is harder than using a DAW, so they're still definitely held to higher standards in that regard.

 

Lastly, I want to point out that the song "Sugar, Sugar" by the Archies charted at #1 in the US for four weeks in 1969.  This is quite possibly the epitome of bubble gum pop at it's worst.  Sure, it's catchy and it can get stuck in your head for hours, but the same can be said for the Justin Biebers of the world.  

 

The internet certainly does make it easier for any idiot with a microphone to record music and distribute it, but most of this is by and large ignored.  It's also helped immensely with the distribution of high quality recordings from people who simply would not have been able to distribute their music in any other format.  No matter the era, there's always going to be ****ty media in all forms.  You have to wade through the crap to find the good stuff, but with the internet there are a lot more hidden gems to find.

 

 

 

With all that out of the way, I've got another reaction to my HE-400's to report.  A while back I was telling my co-worker about my new headphones, and he started asking me about them.  He asked me what brand they were, and when I told him they were HiFiMan headphones, he said he'd heard of them (although I'm pretty sure that was just BS - he's pretty full of the stuff).  He did seem genuinely interested in them, though, so I decided to bring them in to work one day when we weren't busy.  

 

Had him listen to "Spectres de Mouse" by Mouse on the Keys using my ipod as a source and he just completely zoned out for the entire song.  I'm pretty sure that's the longest I've ever seen him keep his mouth shut.  After the song finished, he just asked me, "can I listen to something on my phone?"  I laughed pretty quickly and told him to go right ahead.  After a song or two he took them off and told me that he'd never heard anything better and that they were, "a lot better than beats," but he didn't wanna spend $300 on headphones.  I told him that there were other options that also sound a lot better than beats for much less and to let me know if he was interested.  Might have a new convert.

 

If he does further inquire, I'll be sure to chant, "One of us!  One of us!" to him as creepily as possible for you fine folks. ;)

Lol

"I've heard of Hifiman stuff before"
"Wow I've never heard anything like it"

"I don't want to spend $300 on headphones"
:D

 

I don't get why people think expensive headphones are so crazy. There are more expensive hobbies. Like cars. Or rare coin collecting. Or being a wine-phile.

 

 

I do agree with you on the electronic music. I also do feel that people have a tendency to discount the bad in the past and see the bad today, it's very common theme in psychology. Music is whatever people call music. Artists are suppose to be artists because they have a vision, not to make songs to maximize profit. So while one could make the argument that the rise of say, modern pop music which sounds horrible, it's hard to argue that the demand for horrible modern pop music will cause good music to disappear - Unless of course, the artists making the songs today are not true artists. I try to keep an open mind for whatever people call music. There are plenty of artists that make what I like - So the other people can go ahead and get whatever crazy genre they like, it just adds variety to the world.

 

And if it really takes no talent to make music that sells like crazy, then everybody would get into the music business.


Edited by Dark_wizzie - 5/4/14 at 10:49pm
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My friends who came to my house last Friday came to me today. Talking behind me from my right ears to left ears... The surround sound I let them tried doing the magic haha and one of them repeatedly asking me to name all the types of headphones available... Shall we invite and welcome them to Head-Fi community :atsmile:

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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post

My friends who came to my house last Friday came to me today. Talking behind me from my right ears to left ears... The surround sound I let them tried doing the magic haha and one of them repeatedly asking me to name all the types of headphones available... Shall we invite and welcome them to Head-Fi community atsmile.gif

Of course! Get them to join, and discover their own audio journey!
post #2991 of 3958

First reaction of my gf when I let her listen to Pink Floyd's Time on my HE-400. "Get them off, I can hear the ringing inside my head!" LOL

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Don't know if it's been said yeet, and it is off topic, but I just want to get this out there. Apple is about to buy Beats!

post #2993 of 3958
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Originally Posted by Dark_wizzie View Post
 

Lol

"I've heard of Hifiman stuff before"
"Wow I've never heard anything like it"

"I don't want to spend $300 on headphones"
:D

 

I don't get why people think expensive headphones are so crazy. There are more expensive hobbies. Like cars. Or rare coin collecting. Or being a wine-phile.

 

Yeah, I don't quite get this. I mean people collect freaking sneakers by the hundreds! A few headphones and Amps/Dacs seem so much more practical than stuff like that (no offense, sneaker heads)

 

As for music these days, it's horribly mastered and sounds the same as the next song (I'm talking of course about the pop crap the U.S.A is crapping out and has been the past few years), with a slight difference on which drink the singer got drunk off of. It's the same wub wub, the same screech, auto-tune, etc etc. I can only imagine those songs would sound even worse on the more revealing headphones (garbage in, garbage out....right....?). That being said, there have been a few gems that have liked, but I'll stick to my music (Radiohead, MJ, Daft Punk, Jin- Mekakucity Actors -- which is surprisingly great)

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Originally Posted by SlimShadyMJ View Post
 

Yeah, I don't quite get this. I mean people collect freaking sneakers by the hundreds! A few headphones and Amps/Dacs seem so much more practical than stuff like that (no offense, sneaker heads)

 

As for music these days, it's horribly mastered and sounds the same as the next song (I'm talking of course about the pop crap the U.S.A is crapping out and has been the past few years), with a slight difference on which drink the singer got drunk off of. It's the same wub wub, the same screech, auto-tune, etc etc. I can only imagine those songs would sound even worse on the more revealing headphones (garbage in, garbage out....right....?). That being said, there have been a few gems that have liked, but I'll stick to my music (Radiohead, MJ, Daft Punk, Jin- Mekakucity Actors -- which is surprisingly great)

I'm totally with you on those two artists. I guess the ever-degrading mastering standard of pop music -- and maybe even music in general -- is the reason a lot of audiophiles in the high-end and Summit-Fi stage test their headphones with classical music.

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Originally Posted by thatBeatsguy View Post
 

I'm totally with you on those two artists. I guess the ever-degrading mastering standard of pop music -- and maybe even music in general -- is the reason a lot of audiophiles in the high-end and Summit-Fi stage test their headphones with classical music.

LOL nah, they just do it so they can brag about having better musical taste than us "plebs" haha jkjk

 

BTW, I went to a bar yesterday after a couple of good hockey games (hockey in the rain is mad fun) and the waitress was impressed by my headphones. Too bad she never tried them with music playing. She did like the looks (UE 6000). Funny story though, since at first she kept touching my shoulder and talking even though I had already ordered (as had my friends who got there before I did) and it was awkward until she brought up my headphones. It was wierd, but hey, at least she might go home and look to buy them now.

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Or, you know, she was interested in the person those headphones were attached to, and was just trying to start a conversation.... I'm just sayin.
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Originally Posted by SlimShadyMJ View Post
 

LOL nah, they just do it so they can brag about having better musical taste than us "plebs" haha jkjk

 

BTW, I went to a bar yesterday after a couple of good hockey games (hockey in the rain is mad fun) and the waitress was impressed by my headphones. Too bad she never tried them with music playing. She did like the looks (UE 6000). Funny story though, since at first she kept touching my shoulder and talking even though I had already ordered (as had my friends who got there before I did) and it was awkward until she brought up my headphones. It was wierd, but hey, at least she might go home and look to buy them now.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Exesteils View Post

Or, you know, she was interested in the person those headphones were attached to, and was just trying to start a conversation.... I'm just sayin.

Haha, yeah.

TBH, if I were approached I'd think like Slimshady. Won't get the hint until somebody's like "Let's get naked. NOW."

 

Now about music tastes... Comon, music is subjective. One thing popular music brought was the loudness war but that's almost objectively bad because turning up the volume knob is easy. I use my HD800s for everything. Old songs, dubstep, classical, pop, rap, whatever.

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Originally Posted by Exesteils View Post

Or, you know, she was interested in the person those headphones were attached to, and was just trying to start a conversation.... I'm just sayin.

Well, she was cute. Unfortunately I'm too much of idiot with the other gender that even if that was true (maybe, maybe not...?) that nothing would come out of it (or even notice) lol. besides, I wouldn't have anything relevant to post here otherwise. :beerchug:

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Originally Posted by Dark_wizzie View Post
 

 

 "Let's get naked. NOW."

*While still in a bar with a lot of other people*

 

LOL

post #3000 of 3958
+1 pop genre music mastering are getting worse each year and getting ridiculously louder and louder...
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