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post #2521 of 3634
We should rename this thread to The Pity Contest.
post #2522 of 3634
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Originally Posted by phillyd View Post

We should rename this thread to The Pity Contest.

Hapster just went on on-topic again, and you just came around and derailed everything!

Just kidding.

We should name it 'brandhating,pity, recommendation thread with a few on-topic posts'.

post #2523 of 3634

Oh oh! Just got a response from a colleague last week! After hearing my Senn HD600 and Aune T1 he said to me: "I never know this song has this sound (instruments)!" and "So much detail!" and "The BASS!!! My head is shaking!" and "The bass is tickling my ears!". I don't think he used to good quality bass. I'm not bass-head, but even I think HD600 is not bass monster. More like, neutral to lean bass.

In the end he still not convicted about spending more than $100 for audio though :deadhorse:.

 

But he has been asking me about good small portable headphone, which I promptly suggest Senn PX200 II.

 

I think we got a potential convert here! Yes it was only PX200 II, but after that it would be much much much easier to poison him :veryevil: 


Edited by jipan - 4/2/14 at 5:08am
post #2524 of 3634

I loan my XBA-4 to a friend who is deeply in love with it. He let a lot of people test it [he told me when he returns it to me] and he said that everyone was interested in the foam eartips and they like the bass of XBA-4! 

post #2525 of 3634
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Originally Posted by BillsonChang007 View Post
 

I loan my XBA-4 to a friend who is deeply in love with it. He let a lot of people test it [he told me when he returns it to me] and he said that everyone was interested in the foam eartips and they like the bass of XBA-4! 

I gifted my XBA3 to a mate and he loves the bass too

post #2526 of 3634

Oh guys stop with the pointless comparisons of headphones that can't be compared to each other in any way.

 

Let's focus on comparisons of headphones that directly compete with each other...

 

...like...

 

....THIS!   *queue evil music*

 

 

 

 

 

You think I'm joking? I'm not. Have a look at this:

 

 

 

Yep, these graphs are zoomed out quite a bit, but these headphones actually sound very similar to each other with T1's leaning more towards brightness and D600's more towards the bassy sound, but not by much, and both sound as the graphs tell, fairly flat all the way up to 2-3khz, and even their square responses are very similar. I can't say that D600's are significantly more bassy, they just CAN produce slightly more bass when asked, and at the same time I can't say the T1's are considerably brighter, because they're not, and bass and treble extend in an equally effortless manner on both headphones.

 

The thing is, most people that have heard both prefer the D600's at first, but after a few songs change their mind and go with the T1's.   The reason for that is that T1's take a bit of time to adjust to, whearas D600's are in your face from the moment you put them on, they sound fun and exciting, while not going over the top.  T1's on the other hand sound...well, effortless. If there is a single word that describes the T1's perfectly, it's effortless.   In comparison to D600's they're not any more detailed, at least I can't hear anything on them that I can't hear on D600's, and that's out of a pretty good Musical Fidelity M1DAC + M1HPAP dac and headamp stack. T1's aren't that much more open and spacious sounding either, they don't show considerably higher resolution of the sound or speed, and they don't in any way suggest to an average listener who's not spoiled by audiophilia that they cost exactly 4 times as much.  In other words, in order to recognize they're better headphones, you have to know something about sound. I know that might sound a bit weird, but I can totally see why I'd prefer the D600's like 6-7 years ago when I didn't really care about sound too much. I would have picked the D600's because they have slighlty more bass and sound more in your face, and can see why a lot of people prefer them to T1's when I let them compare.

BUT, T1's do one thing that D600's can't. They disappear. The way they present music is just in such a smooth, flowing, effortless way, like a gentle summer evening breeze. But in order to get that, it takes some listening and experience. You can't just stick them onto someones head, press play and expect them to scream in excitement. They do things that I can't really put my finger on. That's the difference between high end and mid-end for me. You can get the resolution, detail, balance, etc. at a lower than ever price point,  but in order to hear MUSIC, not just sound, you gotta pay more. But to me personally it's amazing how different D600 and T1's are in their presentation and experience of listening in comparison to how similar they sound at first.  That's why I kind of think that arguing about who thinks what of certain headphones, or whether bassheads are lesser audiophiles than trebleheads or midheads are kinda pointless. I know there are a lot of people out there who only care about bass, and would probably pick a 100$ bass heavy closed back headphones over a T1, but that's just because of their current perspective and lack of experience.

post #2527 of 3634
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post
 

You sure have a point there, but I'm not being as hatefull towards them, I only once said "here, try your song with my headphones, you might understand why I'm spending this much!", which isn't rude at all, right? One of them had a wow-moment, but is hating now too. Yeah, hating, calling names and stuff. I guess he's just following the other guys.

 

Just shows how immature they are I guess, if they can't respect someone's hobby.

 

 

You're just finding out that people, in general, are ignorant and most of all stupid (I don't know how else to call people who argue about things they know nothing about).

post #2528 of 3634
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post
 

Oh guys stop with the pointless comparisons of headphones that can't be compared to each other in any way.

 

Let's focus on comparisons of headphones that directly compete with each other...

hiding stuff (Click to show)

 

...like...

 

....THIS!   *queue evil music*

 

 

 

 

 

You think I'm joking? I'm not. Have a look at this:

 

 

 

Yep, these graphs are zoomed out quite a bit, but these headphones actually sound very similar to each other with T1's leaning more towards brightness and D600's more towards the bassy sound, but not by much, and both sound as the graphs tell, fairly flat all the way up to 2-3khz, and even their square responses are very similar. I can't say that D600's are significantly more bassy, they just CAN produce slightly more bass when asked, and at the same time I can't say the T1's are considerably brighter, because they're not, and bass and treble extend in an equally effortless manner on both headphones.

 

The thing is, most people that have heard both prefer the D600's at first, but after a few songs change their mind and go with the T1's.   The reason for that is that T1's take a bit of time to adjust to, whearas D600's are in your face from the moment you put them on, they sound fun and exciting, while not going over the top.  T1's on the other hand sound...well, effortless. If there is a single word that describes the T1's perfectly, it's effortless.   In comparison to D600's they're not any more detailed, at least I can't hear anything on them that I can't hear on D600's, and that's out of a pretty good Musical Fidelity M1DAC + M1HPAP dac and headamp stack. T1's aren't that much more open and spacious sounding either, they don't show considerably higher resolution of the sound or speed, and they don't in any way suggest to an average listener who's not spoiled by audiophilia that they cost exactly 4 times as much.  In other words, in order to recognize they're better headphones, you have to know something about sound. I know that might sound a bit weird, but I can totally see why I'd prefer the D600's like 6-7 years ago when I didn't really care about sound too much. I would have picked the D600's because they have slighlty more bass and sound more in your face, and can see why a lot of people prefer them to T1's when I let them compare.

BUT, T1's do one thing that D600's can't. They disappear. The way they present music is just in such a smooth, flowing, effortless way, like a gentle summer evening breeze. But in order to get that, it takes some listening and experience. You can't just stick them onto someones head, press play and expect them to scream in excitement. They do things that I can't really put my finger on. That's the difference between high end and mid-end for me. You can get the resolution, detail, balance, etc. at a lower than ever price point,  but in order to hear MUSIC, not just sound, you gotta pay more. But to me personally it's amazing how different D600 and T1's are in their presentation and experience of listening in comparison to how similar they sound at first.  That's why I kind of think that arguing about who thinks what of certain headphones, or whether bassheads are lesser audiophiles than trebleheads or midheads are kinda pointless. I know there are a lot of people out there who only care about bass, and would probably pick a 100$ bass heavy closed back headphones over a T1, but that's just because of their current perspective and lack of experience.

 

With all due respect....why are we comparing headphones on a 'non-audiophile reaction thread'?

 

If all attempts to recover this thread, from this abyss, fail, I might really unsubscribe...this is becoming increasingly pointless


Edited by TheDreamthinker - 4/2/14 at 7:42am
post #2529 of 3634
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Originally Posted by TheDreamthinker View Post
 

 

With all due respect....why are we comparing headphones on a 'non-audiophile reaction thread'?

 

If all attempts to recover this thread, from this abyss, fail, I might really unsubscribe...this is becoming increasingly pointless

Got to agree with this, although I'm one of the offtopic guys. Sorry for that.

 

 

Anyways, I wonder what my reaction would be when hearing a summit-fi rig, with my favourite song "Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free bird". I already get the feels when it's played through a hifiman HE-300 unamped.. I'll be attending a meet soon, where they'll hopefully have a Stax 007 and an Audeze LCD3, so we will know..

 

          ^ I think this is on-topic since I'm by no means an audiophile ^.^. Not yet hehe.

post #2530 of 3634
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post

Oh guys stop with the pointless comparisons of headphones that can't be compared to each other in any way.

Let's focus on comparisons of headphones that directly compete with each other...

...like...

....THIS!   *queue evil music*







You think I'm joking? I'm not. Have a look at this:





Yep, these graphs are zoomed out quite a bit, but these headphones actually sound very similar to each other with T1's leaning more towards brightness and D600's more towards the bassy sound, but not by much, and both sound as the graphs tell, fairly flat all the way up to 2-3khz, and even their square responses are very similar. I can't say that D600's are significantly more bassy, they just CAN produce slightly more bass when asked, and at the same time I can't say the T1's are considerably brighter, because they're not, and bass and treble extend in an equally effortless manner on both headphones.

The thing is, most people that have heard both prefer the D600's at first, but after a few songs change their mind and go with the T1's.   The reason for that is that T1's take a bit of time to adjust to, whearas D600's are in your face from the moment you put them on, they sound fun and exciting, while not going over the top.  T1's on the other hand sound...well, effortless. If there is a single word that describes the T1's perfectly, it's effortless.   In comparison to D600's they're not any more detailed, at least I can't hear anything on them that I can't hear on D600's, and that's out of a pretty good Musical Fidelity M1DAC + M1HPAP dac and headamp stack. T1's aren't that much more open and spacious sounding either, they don't show considerably higher resolution of the sound or speed, and they don't in any way suggest to an average listener who's not spoiled by audiophilia that they cost exactly 4 times as much.  In other words, in order to recognize they're better headphones, you have to know something about sound. I know that might sound a bit weird, but I can totally see why I'd prefer the D600's like 6-7 years ago when I didn't really care about sound too much. I would have picked the D600's because they have slighlty more bass and sound more in your face, and can see why a lot of people prefer them to T1's when I let them compare.
BUT, T1's do one thing that D600's can't. They disappear. The way they present music is just in such a smooth, flowing, effortless way, like a gentle summer evening breeze. But in order to get that, it takes some listening and experience. You can't just stick them onto someones head, press play and expect them to scream in excitement. They do things that I can't really put my finger on. That's the difference between high end and mid-end for me. You can get the resolution, detail, balance, etc. at a lower than ever price point,  but in order to hear MUSIC, not just sound, you gotta pay more. But to me personally it's amazing how different D600 and T1's are in their presentation and experience of listening in comparison to how similar they sound at first.  That's why I kind of think that arguing about who thinks what of certain headphones, or whether bassheads are lesser audiophiles than trebleheads or midheads are kinda pointless. I know there are a lot of people out there who only care about bass, and would probably pick a 100$ bass heavy closed back headphones over a T1, but that's just because of their current perspective and lack of experience.
lets take this to another thread.
post #2531 of 3634
Always amusing to see complaints about off-topic posts. This is a common occurrence on most (long) threads on most websites. It's a perfect example of a 'stream of consciousness' thing. Why get upset? It's so easy to simply skip over posts, I do it all the time!
post #2532 of 3634
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Originally Posted by Hijodelbrx View Post

Always amusing to see complaints about off-topic posts. This is a common occurrence on most (long) threads on most websites. It's a perfect example of a 'stream of consciousness' thing. Why get upset? It's so easy to simply skip over posts, I do it all the time!

 

But if nobody says anything, no thread would be on course and we could just give threads numbers instead of titles...

Ergo, just fulfilling duty here..

 

So let's keep calm...;)

post #2533 of 3634
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Originally Posted by TheDreamthinker View Post
 

 

With all due respect....why are we comparing headphones on a 'non-audiophile reaction thread'?

 

If all attempts to recover this thread, from this abyss, fail, I might really unsubscribe...this is becoming increasingly pointless

 

 

The exact same reason why 10 previous pages are filled with people talking about how hard it is for them in life and how it's difficult to find a job.

This at least has something to do with headphones. :P

 

But yea, if you read it, you'll see I did write that non-audiophiles react to certain headphones better than to others.

post #2534 of 3634
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Originally Posted by derbigpr View Post
 

 

 

The exact same reason why 10 previous pages are filled with people talking about how hard it is for them in life and how it's difficult to find a job.

This at least has something to do with headphones. :P

 

But yea, if you read it, you'll see I did write that non-audiophiles react to certain headphones better than to others.

 

I enjoyed your post, and I thought that you raised some interesting points. I don't know where I stand on the audiophile scale, but fairly low down I suppose considering that I haven't heard any TOTL headphones like the T1. I enjoy most of my cans very much, so I naively like to think that I'm at the pinnacle. I've listened to the ADH600's a few times recently, and have been quite impressed with them. But reading your post makes me think there is room for audiophile growth.... and those damned T1's... and a much emptier wallet! :)

post #2535 of 3634

I have picked up an asian girl in my college days by initiating a convo about ibasso d2 boa stuck to my 5th gen ipod ...my friend still makes fun of it till date.

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