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I think what the poster who included those pictures was saying was that these stars were obviously not anti-consumerist. But he was being ironic, and I think trying to make his point through snot as opposed to argument. Maybe by the photos what he meant to say was that since these stars are obviously steeped in consumerism, then the statement that many artists tend to be anti-consumerist is false and laughable. An similar line of argument would be:

 

Person A: "Most football teams play only 16 games in any given season." (a statement analogous to one like "Most artists take anti-consumerist stances")

Person B: "But look at this picture of the Denver Broncos, the SF 49ers, and the Seattle Seahawks. They're football teams, and they made it to the playoffs last year and played more than 16! Boy are you stupid!" (a statement analogous to the one being made in the posting of pictures of Madonna and friends, i.e. an attempt to disprove a qualified general statement by finding an exception.)

 

Other possibilities: 1). These are the people that the poster considers artists, and represent his taste for music and social commentary. 2). He's just joking light-heartedly and I'm misunderstanding him. 3). The pictured people really are artists, and their exaggerated embrace of consumerism and materialism is a statement of it's own kind.

 

Then again, the whole thing just proves my point that it's impossible to argue these things on this CCJ forum (read above posts to decode that one).

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Originally Posted by elvergun View Post

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Originally Posted by Darner View Post

 

What we listen to is often considered "art" to some degree--classical music, jazz, rock--

 

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Originally Posted by SomeGuyDude View Post
 

 

Which of those does classical or jazz?

 

He did include rock. 

 

You two are funny.   Buying a good headphone = moral degradation.

 

There's really no NEED for a $5500 headphone?  Who are you to tell people how to spend their money? 

 

Is there really a NEED for a $400 Beats headphone?   They're showing off fashion and lack of capability largely for the marketing feat of it.


That's true! There's no need for most things we treat ourselves with. I recognize that and in fact embrace it. If it was needed it wouldn't be fun to get, would it? biggrin.gif
post #1653 of 4645

I'm not telling people how to spend their money. I think "moral degradation" is a bit too far, but it's true that the headphone issue is one that's often morally charged, so why not deal with it on that level? There are moral undertones (and overtones) to arguments on both sides, so I don't see any harm it approaching it that way. And it's just a discussion, anyway. In the world of music-listening, the perspectives on head-fi, the perspectives of those attracted to a site like head-fi, tend to represent one particular set of priorities (however complex or laudable they might be). But other perspectives do exist, and I think it's not a bad thing to note that.

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Originally Posted by sloomingbla View Post

Accuracy in my opinion describes how realistic the bass is. Like it doesnt seem fake or it has the perfect mid to sub bass ratio. A kick from a drum sounds like "tut" instead of "tuttooommm
This is a good description of bass accuracy. I think it's more important in live genres like jazz and rock than things like electronic music, though.
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(sorry only quoting cans I've heard
Honestly, it's better to advocate for headphones that you have heard rather than spitting out borrowed opinions for ones you haven't.
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Then going from HE-500 to Stax is like going from a very fine restaurant to a gourmet Michelin restaurant. One might actually prefer the former despite not being 'finer/better'.

I've never eaten at a Michellan star restaurant nor tried Stax but I'm sure it's 2% finer or better but, 5 times the price. Then again didn't some cheap dumpling place get a Michellan star? I might be mistaken
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I let a friend try another friend's beats (i forget which model) on my portable setup (DX50/PB2) and compared it yo my Mad Dogs. I can hear that the beats bass was boomy, the mids all muddy and almost no highs in comparison (even though the mad dogs sound quite rolled off in comparison to my other cans).

He said he prefers the beats and that they sounded a lot better. But mostly the bass is better. I was playing some EDM.

Not sure why but my guess is that the Mad Dogs are quite a dark can and do take some getting use to.
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post
 

I took hifiman seriously immediately after i heard their he300..as for the price that can pumps out music in a way u cant imagine..and that can only costs 249..

Another HE-300 owner, yay for us!

 

Now, on to the topic.

I've had a lot of people taking a listen to my beats pro detox, and my Hifiman HE-300.

Personally the HE-300 sound way better, they just don't have that huge overpowered bass.

Everyone but two went for the beats (out of like 10 to 15 people)

The only one's not going for the beats, was a beats solo HD owner (funny how he was the only one of the people owning beats. And then also taking another brand above the one he owns.)

And a HD598 owner (Although he said he liked his HD598 better, he said it didn't sound worse or anything, but the sound signature of the Hifiman didn't fit him, and the detox was just "overpriced garbage" which I totally agree with him.)

The others just said: "There's no bass in the Hifiman! C'mon, how can you enjoy it so much?!"

I'm still kind of puzzled by it, some people just want bass above everything I guess.

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I was talking to a friend yesterday who has the Solo HD and regrets buying it (mostly due to lousy comfort). He said that he likes powerful bass, however the music he liked are fairly laid back, vocal/acoustic, basically opposite of the type a basshead would listen to. Then he tried my Q701 and was blown away, especially when listening to some of my binaural tracks. I think he doesn't know what kind of signature he likes since he's not had any decent headphones to try, so he 'likes bass' since bass is what the Beats are known for, even though he probably doesn't really care about large bass quantity in reality.
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Originally Posted by spurxiii View Post

I let a friend try another friend's beats (i forget which model) on my portable setup (DX50/PB2) and compared it yo my Mad Dogs. I can hear that the beats bass was boomy, the mids all muddy and almost no highs in comparison (even though the mad dogs sound quite rolled off in comparison to my other cans).

He said he prefers the beats and that they sounded a lot better. But mostly the bass is better. I was playing some EDM.

Not sure why but my guess is that the Mad Dogs are quite a dark can and do take some getting use to.
The Mad Dogs are really neutral compared to Beats. They probably just weren't used to that.
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Originally Posted by Za Warudo View Post

I was talking to a friend yesterday who has the Solo HD and regrets buying it (mostly due to lousy comfort). He said that he likes powerful bass, however the music he liked are fairly laid back, vocal/acoustic, basically opposite of the type a basshead would listen to. Then he tried my Q701 and was blown away, especially when listening to some of my binaural tracks. I think he doesn't know what kind of signature he likes since he's not had any decent headphones to try, so he 'likes bass' since bass is what the Beats are known for, even though he probably doesn't really care about large bass quantity in reality.

I feel like this is the problem with most beats users, they don't really do their research, they just go to a shop with all beats models as a demo model, an unamped HD700 (a shop called Mediamarkt has an unamped HD700 showcased, when I used to be a beats fanboy I tried it and hated it.) Maybe a Bose headphone, and a few 30 bucks headphone's from random brands.

I also have a feeling (Correct me if I'm wrong) that they amp the beats in these showcase model bottoms, since the beats pro sounded much better when i demo'ed it, then when I bought it. And I'm 100% sure my beats pro detox (detox just means it's limited edition, and an even bigger waste of money) are original. Anyways, they just go there and take a listen for like 10 seconds, the bass jumps out at the beats, and they're like: "Yeah these are the best". I think they don't feel comfortable taking atleast 30 minutes to listen to a headphone in a shop, and I can't blame them. When I tried the HD700 lately for 5 minutes people already were looking at me like "Yeah we know you're going to buy it! It's been on your head for so long!".

 

Edit: Try taking your friend to a decent shop close to you, pick out some models with different sound signatures (Maybe a Sennheiser, a Hifiman, a Grado, just keep it around the beats solo HD price (which is about 150USD if I'm not mistaking).


Edited by kilspeed111 - 3/12/14 at 12:01pm
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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post

Another HE-300 owner, yay for us!

Now, on to the topic.
I've had a lot of people taking a listen to my beats pro detox, and my Hifiman HE-300.
Personally the HE-300 sound way better, they just don't have that huge overpowered bass.
Everyone but two went for the beats (out of like 10 to 15 people)
The only one's not going for the beats, was a beats solo HD owner (funny how he was the only one of the people owning beats. And then also taking another brand above the one he owns.)
And a HD598 owner (Although he said he liked his HD598 better, he said it didn't sound worse or anything, but the sound signature of the Hifiman didn't fit him, and the detox was just "overpriced garbage" which I totally agree with him.)
The others just said: "There's no bass in the Hifiman! C'mon, how can you enjoy it so much?!"
I'm still kind of puzzled by it, some people just want bass above everything I guess.

Lolz..that post was long time ago....i dont have him anymore..i went from he300 to he400 (which i completely hated!) to a he500 and just recently i own a code-x he5

But the he300 made me get into listening to real music..not some bass heavy fake rape of the music that they (beats etc. Owners) hear.. The he300 was and is a very capable phone..buy urself a matrix mstage and ur in for a treat (WITH BASS!!!).. For the price ithe he300 is a steal..still think that altough i went up in the range to a custommade code-x ..i sometimes still think about the phone who made me get into headphone audio.. As i said..try the mstage with the he300.. It will make the he300 sound a bit more powerful..
And excuse me..beats over he300??? WTF are those people hear aided? Or deaf? Those phones only have treble and bass..no midrange...voices sound like shiiit on them....i dont even think people liking those phones actually like listening to real music except for the new crap thats all sampled and mixed that comes out lately.. IMHO ofcourse. wink.gif
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/12/14 at 12:12pm
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Lolz...i dont have him anymore..i went from he300 tp he400 (which i completely hated!) to a he500 and just recently i own a code-x he5

But the he300 made me get into listening to real music..not some bass heavy fake rape of the music that they hear.. The he300 was and is a very capable phone..but urself a matrix mstage and ur in for a treat (WITH BASS!!!).. For the price its a steal..still think that altough i went up in the range to a custommade code-x ..i sometimes still think about the phone who made me get into headphone audio.. As i said..try the mstage with the he300.. It will make the he300 sound a bit more powerful..
And excuse me..beats over he300??? WTF are those people hear aided? Or deaf? Those phones only have treble and bass..no midrange...voices sound like shiiit on them....i dont even think people liking those phones actually like lostening to real music except for the new crap thats all sampled and mixed that comes out lately.. IMHO ofcourse.

They did listen to the new crap, even with MP3 files because they said 'It's 320KBPS, it's the best quality for music!'. I think that already explains enough about them, haha.

Thanks for the recommendation for the mstage, I'll certainly take a look at it, just need to find a shop close to me where i can demo it..

I just got into real sound quality like a week ago, also with the HE-300! All the other headphones I owned before them, are beats or €10 crap headphones. Selling my beats pro detox at the moment, had a guy who wanted to buy it but he got in a fight with his parents about it, so he ain't buying it anymore. I asked €360 for it, costed me €549.. I even wanted to give him my Fiio E11 for free with it, and a shirt with 'Beats pro detox' on it, and a second cable!

 

My Hifiman broke 2 days ago by the way, so all I got at the moment are the beats.. Although my warranty is fetching me another cable for my Hifiman (The cable broke at the right jack after 4 days, which is a shame :( ).

When typing this post, I just recieved a mail which said It'll take atleast 2 more weeks till i have a new cable.. :(

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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post

They did listen to the new crap, even with MP3 files because they said 'It's 320KBPS, it's the best quality for music!'. I think that already explains enough about them, haha.
Thanks for the recommendation for the mstage, I'll certainly take a look at it, just need to find a shop close to me where i can demo it..
I just got into real sound quality like a week ago, also with the HE-300! All the other headphones I owned before them, are beats or €10 crap headphones. Selling my beats pro detox at the moment, had a guy who wanted to buy it but he got in a fight with his parents about it, so he ain't buying it anymore. I asked €360 for it, costed me €549.. I even wanted to give him my Fiio E11 for free with it, and a shirt with 'Beats pro detox' on it, and a second cable!

My Hifiman broke 2 days ago by the way, so all I got at the moment are the beats.. Although my warranty is fetching me another cable for my Hifiman (The cable broke at the right jack after 4 days, which is a shame frown.gif ).
When typing this post, I just recieved a mail which said It'll take atleast 2 more weeks till i have a new cable.. frown.gif
Am sorry to hear that..i never had any problems with any of my HE headphones i owned until now...and i use them daily for at least 3hours at night to relax after a long day of work..but..
To be honest..the cables hifiman provides are rubbish (did u have the canare black cable or the silverplated coppercable?) thats why they themselves sell an aftermarket cable themselves on their site..lolz

But most of us buy an aftermarket cable..i didnt even use the cable one single second...i had bought a Toxic Cables cable for it..excellent stuff, looks really sexy, quality is top and really affordable for what they give...and goes well with any HE headphone if u ever want to upgrade to the better HE models..as u can see on my pics i still use a toxic cable on my new headphone

Lolz..mp3 320bps best sound??? I agree totally...kill all those weird lossless flac and wav lovers...the sissies.JUST KIDDING!!!! very_evil_smiley.gif

What would happen if they would listen to 24bits vinyl rips with 4000bps bitrate as i have from some tracks..they would shiiit themselves as the beats would explode on their ears, not able to play that biggrin.gif oopsie..
About the mstage..u wont regret that buy..and if u look in the second hand section on headfi u probably will find some floating around there for good prices..they are built like a tank so are a safe buy second hand..and u can opamp-mod the amp..like i did..to improve the sound..(or kill the sound as i understand when u buy the wrong opamp..lolz)
Edited by hifimanrookie - 3/12/14 at 12:43pm
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Originally Posted by hifimanrookie View Post


Am sorry to hear that..i never had any problems with any of my HE headphones i owned u til now...but..
To be honest..the cables hifiman provides is rubbish (did u have the canare black cable or the silverplated coppercable?) thats why they themselves sell an aftermarket cable themselves on their site..lolz

But most of us buy an aftermarket cable..i didnt even use the cable one single second...i had bought a Toxic Cables cable for it..excellent stuff, looks really sexy, quality is top and really affordable for what they give...and goes well with any HE headphone if u ever want to upgrade to the better HE models..

Lolz..mp3 320bps best sound??? I agree totally...kill all those weird lossless flac and wav lovers...the sissies.JUST KIDDING!!!! very_evil_smiley.gif

What would happen if they would listen to 24bits vinyl rips with 4000bps bitrate as i have from some tracks..they would shiiit themselves as the beats would explode on their ears, not able to play that biggrin.gif oopsie..
About the mstage..u wont regret that buy..and if u look in the second hand section on headfi u probably will find some floating around there for good prices..

Yeah I was thinking about buying a greenline Hifiman cable, I even demoed these and they were great! Too bad I'm running real low on cash at the moment, I'm a student with almost no time to get a job.

 

The fun thing is, the beats sound way more forgiving than the Hifiman with mp3, so I think that's why they had chosen the beats over the Hifiman.

 

I was thinking about buying a Theorem 720 DAC, but it's really pricey and I still have to get a mad dog 3.2 (selling my beats for it hehe) and a greenline Hifiman cable first. The Mstage, is it a DAC and amp in one? And is it portable? Do you have any experiences with it hooked up with a mad dog?

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Originally Posted by kilspeed111 View Post

I feel like this is the problem with most beats users, they don't really do their research, they just go to a shop with all beats models as a demo model, an unamped HD700 (a shop called Mediamarkt has an unamped HD700 showcased, when I used to be a beats fanboy I tried it and hated it.) Maybe a Bose headphone, and a few 30 bucks headphone's from random brands.

I also have a feeling (Correct me if I'm wrong) that they amp the beats in these showcase model bottoms, since the beats pro sounded much better when i demo'ed it, then when I bought it. And I'm 100% sure my beats pro detox (detox just means it's limited edition, and an even bigger waste of money) are original. Anyways, they just go there and take a listen for like 10 seconds, the bass jumps out at the beats, and they're like: "Yeah these are the best". I think they don't feel comfortable taking atleast 30 minutes to listen to a headphone in a shop, and I can't blame them. When I tried the HD700 lately for 5 minutes people already were looking at me like "Yeah we know you're going to buy it! It's been on your head for so long!".

 

Edit: Try taking your friend to a decent shop close to you, pick out some models with different sound signatures (Maybe a Sennheiser, a Hifiman, a Grado, just keep it around the beats solo HD price (which is about 150USD if I'm not mistaking).

 



Problem is there are no headphone stores around my city. The best headphone that can be demo-ed at any electronics store near me is the P7 and the H6 at the Apple store. Everything else is just Beats/Bose/other fashion orientated headphones. If I had a place that demoed high end headphones I wouldn't have bought the HE-400.
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