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post #496 of 595

I tend to agree with you, most current and newly released DACs appear to have decent USB implementations, but there are still a bunch out there that don't, for example the Yulong D18. Here locally there are a lot of older Mark Levinson and other former high end DACs that are floating around at crazy low prices which are still useful for listening to CD quality music but are all missing USB inputs. Some DACs also sound better on their coax inputs, for example, I thought the PS Audio Nuwave DAC sounded better on its coax input compared the USB even though it had a XMOS USB implementation. The USB-SPDIF converter just gives you additional options down the line, unless the Ciunas DAC is end game material for most?

post #497 of 595

That definitely makes sense.  I guess another way to look at it is how does the Concero rank among USB to SPDIF converters?  If it is as good as other converters in the same price range then the fact that it can do serve as a decent DAC and converter is a bargain.  I guess in my mind the feature set is less important than the sound quality and I don't plan on using converter in the future when I can get great USB implementation right from the start.  I definitely get your point about trying some of these legacy DACs.  A lot of fun though I'm trying nowadays to stop with that type of experimentation.  Also, your case is a little different because of import costs from the EU.  Things like control via remote are useful but music player software is trending toward smartphone app control (e.g. JRiver).      

 

I would like to hear some of these high end legacy DACs and compare them to their newer counterparts like the Ciunas.  

 

I don't know whether the Ciunas is end game for others but I haven't felt the urge to buy another DAC which is a fine place to be in this hobby.    

 

 

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I tend to agree with you, most current and newly released DACs appear to have decent USB implementations, but there are still a bunch out there that don't, for example the Yulong D18. Here locally there are a lot of older Mark Levinson and other former high end DACs that are floating around at crazy low prices which are still useful for listening to CD quality music but are all missing USB inputs. Some DACs also sound better on their coax inputs, for example, I thought the PS Audio Nuwave DAC sounded better on its coax input compared the USB even though it had a XMOS USB implementation. The USB-SPDIF converter just gives you additional options down the line, unless the Ciunas DAC is end game material for most?

post #498 of 595
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Thanks for all the positive impressions on the Ciunas, but I've settled for the Concero for the time being. I like the build quality and additional features (USB->SPDIF converter, upsampling fiters, remote) offered in the Concero and it works out cheaper with the CAD exchange rate compared the Ciunas in Euros so the Concero definitely trumps in the value for money factor. Looks like the Ciunas edges the Concero on sound quality but the presentations are different. Would be nice if JKenny offered a SPDIF output on the Ciunas.


FWIW, one thing I discovered buying the Ciunas was the US $$ cost was much less than I had calculated from exchange rates and estimated deducting VAT, something like $625 all included. And that was with the extra cost for the black case, which in afterthought I really didn't need (it's on the floor behind my computer!).  It also helps to use a credit card that doesn't charge foreign purchase fees, if available.

post #499 of 595

That is quite a deduction! The Ciunas would have cost me 20% more compared to the Concero if I used current the Euro exchange rate to my local currency. Its also difficult to figure out whether the pricing already includes VAT or not. If VAT is yet to be subtracted from the online store pricing, which I believe is around 20% then it does make a big difference to the final pricing. Who knows, maybe one day I'll end up owning both! :D

post #500 of 595

Dealing with foreign purchases and VAT can feel daunting.  It's interesting that people - me included - don't typically ask others on forums like this about the real cost.  To my knowledge and experience, local taxes, such as VAT, don't apply to purchases being shipped abroad by the merchant, except perhaps where the purchaser's country has one of its own and there's some sort of agreement (not sure about Canada).  And on the receiving country's end, if or how much is charged depends on how the contents are described and valued on the customs papers. In Ciunas case, that's how it ends up being substantially less than armchair calculations.  To get a feel for this, compare prices in different currencies at some of the British hi-fi stores, such as https://www.futureshop.co.uk/home.php#.UnkMh-EU-HE.

post #501 of 595
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Dealing with foreign purchases and VAT can feel daunting.  It's interesting that people - me included - don't typically ask others on forums like this about the real cost.  To my knowledge and experience, local taxes, such as VAT, don't apply to purchases being shipped abroad by the merchant, except perhaps where the purchaser's country has one of its own and there's some sort of agreement (not sure about Canada).  And on the receiving country's end, if or how much is charged depends on how the contents are described and valued on the customs papers. In Ciunas case, that's how it ends up being substantially less than armchair calculations.  To get a feel for this, compare prices in different currencies at some of the British hi-fi stores, such as https://www.futureshop.co.uk/home.php#.UnkMh-EU-HE.

I agree, I held off making the purchase for some time because of the exchange cost.  I was tempted to get the Audiophilio 2 but since I needed the pure power module to match the Ciunas sound quality I pulled the trigger.  I am very happy with my decision, the Ciunas has smoothed out my digital audio to an old vinyl type sound with digital resolution.

post #502 of 595

Anyone in the EU willing to sell me a Ciúnas DAC? Just trying...

post #503 of 595

John Kenny might... :etysmile:

post #504 of 595
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

John Kenny might... :etysmile:

 

LOL, planning to purchase directly from him if no one wants to get rid of one!

post #505 of 595
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LOL, planning to purchase directly from him if no one wants to get rid of one!

 

No one wants to get rid of his Ciunas DAC!

Preproman did, but he is kind of crazy, so... :ph34r:

post #506 of 595
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No one wants to get rid of his Ciunas DAC!

Preproman did, but he is kind of crazy, so... :ph34r:

 

He is Mr. Overkill... :tongue_smile: I want the Ciunas as it is two in one - HQ DAC and HQ transport unit... It's also pretty transportable which is a plus for me. :-) Though no DSD support...

post #507 of 595

WARNING, the Cinuas is not both a DAC and a Converter in one box: they sell in separate boxes and you have to buy them separately.

post #508 of 595
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post
 

WARNING, the Cinuas is not both a DAC and a Converter in one box: they sell in separate boxes and you have to buy them separately.

 

I didnt say anything about the Ciunas being converter... It's not a converter. It's a DAC with very well implemented transport. You basically dont need any converters, re-clocking devices or usb noise filtering units.

post #509 of 595
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Originally Posted by emertxe View Post
 

 

I didnt say anything about the Ciunas being converter... It's not a converter. It's a DAC with very well implemented transport. You basically dont need any converters, re-clocking devices or usb noise filtering units.

 

My bad, OK :D

 

I use different terms, actually:

- Transport is the digital player (Computer, CD player, portable player, ...) + any digital converter. This feeds the DAC.

- Transport + DAC is what I call the source.

 

I'm not saying that this is how it should be, of course ;)

post #510 of 595

Any comparison with the Yulong DA8? :o

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