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post #331 of 595
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

Clem,

 

What you mean by to lit up?

 

Treble friendly wink.gif

 

I can only have one in the chain and I chose the Hifimans biggrin.gif.

There's many more options out there, the NFB-27 being one of them (I already own, and know) but it is also slightly too bright standalone (internal amp) for my tastes and I'm yet to experience what the pairing with the EF-6 + HE-6 will get me.

 

If the EF-6 happens to be "too" transparent when compared to my SA-31, I have 2 options:

- NFB-27 + SA-300 mk3 power amp (in place of the EF-6)

- Find another dac that would fit the bill: M7, Ref 10.32, SA-2 and why not the Ciunas?

post #332 of 595
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Originally Posted by Clemmaster View Post

 

Treble friendly wink.gif

 

I can only have one in the chain and I chose the Hifimans biggrin.gif.

There's many more options out there, the NFB-27 being one of them (I already own, and know) but it is also slightly too bright standalone (internal amp) for my tastes and I'm yet to experience what the pairing with the EF-6 + HE-6 will get me.

 

If the EF-6 happens to be "too" transparent when compared to my SA-31, I have 2 options:

- NFB-27 + SA-300 mk3 power amp (in place of the EF-6)

- Find another dac that would fit the bill: M7, Ref 10.32, SA-2 and why not the Ciunas?

 

Or those Metrum DACs..  I have the HEX in my headlights now..biggrin.gif

post #333 of 595
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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

 

Or those Metrum DACs..  I have the HEX in my headlights now..biggrin.gif

 

The Metrum Quad was quite lit up as well. In the DP1 review, Srajan wrote the Eximus was an Octave + Stello U3 on steroid with the same energetic presentation but better technicalities. While I'm yet to experience the fatigue free and sense of natural flow of the Metrum with the DP1, I must say the tonal balance is quite similar, indeed (but less forward in the Metrum). 

Back then, this wasn't an issue because I owned the HE-500 + SA-31 and the pairing was synergistic.

The Concero + Quad was a bit too aggressive for me (not fatiguing, again, we're talking of a Metrum here wink.gif). Don't remember if I tried both with the HE-500 or only the HE-5LE confused.gif

The HE-5LE + Concero -> Quad + SA-31 was too much for me, that's for sure. The U3 was a better match for the Quad IMO because it is more romantic than the Concero.

 

The HEX might well be your endgame DAC. If not, you've got the AURALiC Vega and the list never ends...  

post #334 of 595

anyone compared the Ciunas to the Yulong DA8?

post #335 of 595

I would be very curious about comparing the Ciunas DAC with HRT Music Streamer HD or M2Tech hiFace DAC, but I could not resist the positive reviews of the JK32DAC, combined with the experience of a friend of mine with a battery-powered VDAC I together with the M2Tech hiFace II. I chose the convenience of this all in one package. There is a slight, one week delay above the 2-3 weeks that was the expectation when I ordered, but I guess it will be in the mail very soon now.

 

btw, someone posted about DSD or 384 compatibility but John told me the DAC does not handle that. 

post #336 of 595
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Originally Posted by Audioexcels View Post

You have never heard a half decent vinyl rig then. A half decent vinyl rig will absolutely demolish digital, but this said, a poorly recorded piece of vinyl will be demolished by a superior recorded digital;).

You should try the Audiophilleo w/PP because it's free to try.  This way you can see if there is anything gained with the AP1/2 w/PurePower or if for 1/3rd the price practically, the Jkeny device is just as good or even better.  I'd be very interested in your thoughts about Jkeny's Ciunas vs. Audiphellio or even a free trial Empirical Audio Off-Ramp 5.

Good to hear you are enjoying the music and my words about vinyl and anything is just my own ears.  Nothing and I mean nothing can touch vinyl...well...reel to reel maybe:))

Trust me I was born into a audiophile household. The pure simplicity of digital even if it takes a 10% reduction in SQ versus a mucho expensive vinyl rig I will never go back to album cases, CD racks. Not to mention playing DJ and cueing past songs to listen to favs. Instead of reel to reel back in the day i used the legendary nakamishi "Dragon" deck and my mixs were collector items because the chain added resolution. Maybe I should also mention some of the digital I'm referring are 45 rpm 24/96 needle drops from insane vinyl rigs that 99% will never own. But I stand behind my earlier statement while even listening to lowly 320 mp3's! We all know what great vinyl sounds like but I'm happy with my 5k rig versus minimum of 20k for great vinyl, hell I had 5k just in TT and cart back in the 80's.

Someone else wil have to compare the audiophilleo for you, I'm enjoying my music!!! DJing from my iPhone with iTunes remote to my i7,128 SSD MacBook Pro with FireWire raid 1 drive to JK CIÚNAS into a under the radar tube dac by Grant Fidelity. Tubeout to active studio monitors and mini sub with remote that is needed for older jazz cuts that are light in the bass region versus newer jazz. NOS for hi res files and 192 up sampling for non high res without lifting a finger. LOL. I also enjoy not having a land line phone anymore, you get the picture!
Edited by SwanSong - 7/18/13 at 9:46pm
post #337 of 595
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post


Trust me I was born into a audiophile household. The pure simplicity of digital even if it takes a 10% reduction in SQ versus a mucho expensive vinyl rig I will never go back to albums cases and CD racks. Not to mention playing DJ and cueing past songs to listen to favs. Maybe I should also mention some of the digital I'm referring are 45 rpm 24/96 needle drops from insane vinyl rigs that 99% will never own. But I stand behind my earlier statement while even listening to lowly 320 mp3's! We all know what great vinyl sounds like but I'm happy with my 5k rig versus minimum of 20k for great vinyl, hell I had 5k just in TT and cart back in the 80's.

 

That pretty much sums it up for me as well. There are some really nice looking TTs out there but unless I won a huge amount of cash I would never get into vinyl again and even then it would only be a side trip to my digital library. I had sold all my audiophile gear many years ago and was mostly listening to radio and the odd CD here and there. What got me back into listening to music and hifi gear was when I first saw a Squeezebox hooked up to a high end system about 5 or 6 years ago.

For me the convenience of digital far outweighs the sound of vinyl even more so now that my hearing has began to slowly decline.

post #338 of 595
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post


Maybe I should also mention some of the digital I'm referring are 45 rpm 24/96 needle drops from insane vinyl rigs that 99% will never own. 

Can I get some of those vinyl rips of yours?  I'd like to hear how they sound.  I have heard nothing online including highest rez rips of vinyl that remotely sounds like vinyl I hear in the house, let alone a burned disk of vinyl tracks.  This said, I have rarely heard a "decent" vinyl setup, money is no object...then again, I can probably count with a few fingers anything that has ever impressed me in the audio world.  Even my favorite TAD speakers can sound rather poor with the garbage Class D and other various crappy front end equipment in front of them.

 

PM me if you want to share a few of your rips (I won't bash them...just curious what you are hearing because I'm always open and hoping something can change how my two ears feel).


Edited by Audioexcels - 7/18/13 at 11:18pm
post #339 of 595
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post


Trust me I was born into a audiophile household. The pure simplicity of digital even if it takes a 10% reduction in SQ versus a mucho expensive vinyl rig I will never go back to album cases, CD racks. Not to mention playing DJ and cueing past songs to listen to favs. Instead of reel to reel back in the day i used the legendary nakamishi "Dragon" deck and my mixs were collector items because the chain added resolution. Maybe I should also mention some of the digital I'm referring are 45 rpm 24/96 needle drops from insane vinyl rigs that 99% will never own. But I stand behind my earlier statement while even listening to lowly 320 mp3's! We all know what great vinyl sounds like but I'm happy with my 5k rig versus minimum of 20k for great vinyl, hell I had 5k just in TT and cart back in the 80's.

Someone else wil have to compare the audiophilleo for you, I'm enjoying my music!!! DJing from my iPhone with iTunes remote to my i7,128 SSD MacBook Pro with FireWire raid 1 drive to JK CIÚNAS into a under the radar tube dac by Grant Fidelity. Tubeout to active studio monitors and mini sub with remote that is needed for older jazz cuts that are light in the bass region versus newer jazz. NOS for hi res files and 192 up sampling for non high res without lifting a finger. LOL. I also enjoy not having a land line phone anymore, you get the picture!

Wow this is a great post. I feel like I've traveled full circle with you, although I was too young/poor to own any of the gear you talked about. I think bashing modern tech and reminiscing on anlog gears gone by is easy and done quite often. I think your maturity gives you the hindsight to appreciate the new tech for what it is. And the new tech is improving every year. I hope soon it'll indeed be just as good as the old days.

post #340 of 595
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Originally Posted by M-13 View Post

Wow this is a great post. I feel like I've traveled full circle with you, although I was too young/poor to own any of the gear you talked about. I think bashing modern tech and reminiscing on anlog gears gone by is easy and done quite often. I think your maturity gives you the hindsight to appreciate the new tech for what it is. And the new tech is improving every year. I hope soon it'll indeed be just as good as the old days.

I think we've already past digital out performing vinyl/analog but like great vinyl in days past it's so dam expensive. Believe me there's digital frontend sources that will blow vinyl out of the water in pure SQ. Now we just have to wait for technology to reduce cost of entry. But like highend audiophile equipment has always been a snooty hobby were pricing at a point has more todo with exclusivity than SQ. The name of the game has always been building the same SQ system within your budget as another person may have spent 100k or more to achieve using the elite gear. Elite gear, vinyl and or analog circuit fans will never admit to another path being equal or better I should know I use to be one myself. Just keep your ears pointed at SQ and let everything else be cosmetic similiar to what makes a man spend 500k on a automobile that sold 30 years earlier for under 50k. It has nothing todo with transportation but everything todo with image.
post #341 of 595

JMO, vinyl is superior on the right front end. Digital is very good, but is like a hybrid sound, not vinyl, not the digital of even 10 years ago. It has nothing to do with nostalgia or being fixed into a musical genre. I do not own a vinyl setup and only speak from personal experience in past, hearing past, present-top flight systems both at shows/in home (puke on 99.9% of them out there), etc. It's the same way I feel about headphones and home audio two channel...headphones are not remotely as good as even a half decent 2 channel setup...but many or most will disagree with me and that's ok:)).

 

Any new impressions about Jkeny's latest work?

post #342 of 595
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Originally Posted by Audioexcels View Post

JMO, vinyl is superior on the right front end. Digital is very good, but is like a hybrid sound, not vinyl, not the digital of even 10 years ago. It has nothing to do with nostalgia or being fixed into a musical genre. I do not own a vinyl setup and only speak from personal experience in past, hearing past, present-top flight systems both at shows/in home (puke on 99.9% of them out there), etc. It's the same way I feel about headphones and home audio two channel...headphones are not remotely as good as even a half decent 2 channel setup...but many or most will disagree with me and that's ok:)).

Any new impressions about Jkeny's latest work?

Sorry I don't debate Vinyl original music anymore! It's now such a small part of my daily listening and becoming smaller everyday. All the new music originates in a digital processing environment so the question is what equipment gives Vinyl fans the best playback. Full circle to the JK CIÚNAS, IMHO for the money it does a excellent job of removing the digital edge without stripping the resolution that we hifi fans enjoy and whether it sounds analog or vinyl to some is a personal opinion. I personnally enjoy the added resolution of digital and look for products that then modify that resolution to my taste. Like the JK Ciúnas, a tube dac and pure copper once it leaves the D/A stage. I can only add that the converter lets me enjoy the music like I did with vinyl before digital. I don't find myself analyzing the sound as much anymore if that makes sense. I recommend giving it a try Audioexcels!
post #343 of 595
Hey JK! This is AY, please use these comments as my 100hr update I promised you. I think the burn-in changes have leveled off and the sound seems to be more balanced. The high shelf has caught up with that immediate low end firmness that the converter provided. I am amazed overall but more so in the improvement on MP3 files, they now weave in and out while listening to music mixed with MP3 from 192/320 bits, hi res 24/96 without noticing fidelity drops. As stated on earlier post the biggest change after adding the converter has been music enjoyment versus analyzing cymbal decay and all the other sounds we pinpoint to determine playback quality. I find myself now looking for the next cut in my library versus the next cut that sounds good. Sorry for the lack of audiophile phrases but that's what happens when you can finally stop playing audio engineer and be a music lover again.
post #344 of 595
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All the new music originates in a digital processing environment so the question is what equipment gives Vinyl fans the best playback

True that!  I think that because this hobby peaked in the 70s/80s there is a disproportionate number of older people who don't gel with computer-filia.  What is convenience to you is mystery+hassle wrapped up in confusion for the previous generation.  

 

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I don't find myself analyzing the sound as much anymore if that makes sense.

It totally does.  Your brain is no longer questioning the authenticity of the sound reaching the ears.  You are now free to judge the music itself!

 

I haven't seen anybody say this, so I will:

I think music execs are behind the resurgence of vinyl.  You can't download vinyl.

There is no stopping digital piracy.  I doubt Chesky even knows that a lot of his stuff is on the news groups (type "hd tracks" or "hdtracks" in www.binsearch.info).

 

The TD-11 was a giant step forward for me.  I also stuffed a 128 SSD in my netbook.  Because I'm such a microsoft guy I feel I need to take a stab at replacing my netbook with a surface tablet.  I'd rather read up on other peoples experiences than blaze these trails on my own, but there I'm finding very little with searches like "metro 24 192 flac player" and "microsoft surface wasapi"

post #345 of 595
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Originally Posted by Wynnytsky View Post

True that!  I think that because this hobby peaked in the 70s/80s there is a disproportionate number of older people who don't gel with computer-filia.  What is convenience to you is mystery+hassle wrapped up in confusion for the previous generation.  

 

I haven't seen anybody say this, so I will:

I think music execs are behind the resurgence of vinyl.  You can't download vinyl.

There is no stopping digital piracy.  I doubt Chesky even knows that a lot of his stuff is on the news groups (type "hd tracks" or "hdtracks" in www.binsearch.info).

 

The TD-11 was a giant step forward for me.  I also stuffed a 128 SSD in my netbook.  Because I'm such a microsoft guy I feel I need to take a stab at replacing my netbook with a surface tablet.  I'd rather read up on other peoples experiences than blaze these trails on my own, but there I'm finding very little with searches like "metro 24 192 flac player" and "microsoft surface wasapi"

I think digital music will follow the home PC evolution. In the beginning PCs were a PITA and quite expensive. Instead of making the average Joe's life easier they mainly created anxiety and headaches. Now that they are reliable, affordable and actually do what they're supposed to everybody owns one (even my 90 year old mother)

 

As digital music evolves and then settles down more people will adopt it and it will most likely become the de facto standard.

 

I think vinyl is a passing thing based partly on boomer nostalgia, the TT cool factor and the belief that it sounds better than other mediums. Not sure if it's a record industry conspiracy but let's just say that homo mercantilus being what he is will always be looking for a gap to fill in the market. If there is no gap he will create one.

 

Personally I really like the look of a vintage TT but I'm not going down that road again.

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