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post #301 of 595

JKenny Ciunas DAC ordered today..  Now the wait.

post #302 of 595

Preproman,

Did you have a chance to audition Concero? DO you mind posting some comparison when you get Ciunas? I had to return mine due to technical issues. I'm looking for a comparable DAC in the same price range.

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I still have the concero now.  I'm having issues with it as well with Windows 7.  Works just fine on the Mac.  I hope I can keep it long enough to compare both side by side.

post #304 of 595

Sorry.. I was unclear in my message. I had issues with Ciunas. I'm looking at Concero as a possible replacement..
 

post #305 of 595

Still unclear... what problems did you two have with either?

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O Schiit.  I thought you had problems with the Concero.  Yeah - so what kind of issues do you have with the Ciunas - please don't tell me Windows 7 drivers...

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Windows 7 user here.  64-bit version.  8 GB RAM.  Ciunas connected to regulated USB power hub.

 

Ciunas has worked fine for me using Foobar or JRiver.  Mostly WASAPI.  ASIO also works with Foobar.  No hiccups, delays, or crackles in playback.  Music is on an internal hard drive.  Haven't played with network files or Squeezeboxes.  Wonder what his specific problem was though.

 

 

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Originally Posted by preproman View Post

O Schiit.  I thought you had problems with the Concero.  Yeah - so what kind of issues do you have with the Ciunas - please don't tell me Windows 7 drivers...

post #308 of 595
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Originally Posted by ProAcTivo View Post

Well, haven't had much time to experiment...when i arrive home i just want to listen some music:) But i tried two or three songs 44.1kHz vs Upsampled to 176.4kHz and is pretty much what i have said before...the sound upsampled is more focused, more defined. The bass is more tight and more precise. Everything is more "exited". For some music i like it, but not for all. It´s funny, but the upsample is more obvious in poor recorded albums. For example, on Kings of Leon, only by the night(so badly recorded...) the upsample really puts it together. On Daft Punk RAM the upsample does almost nothing because everything sounds just FANTASTIC.  My Octave is a NOS dac, so having that feature is a plus, but i think i will be hearing original sample rate most of the times. One thing that i can tell you is that bad recorded music will still sound bad with Ciúnas. This thing is transparent!  The good thing is that good recordings will sound amazing, and the amazing recordings will sound unbelievable. 

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Originally Posted by ProAcTivo View Post

Yes the bass is very good indeed. I think thigtness is player dependent. With Amarra bass is overall more proiminent and full on the music but a little more blurry too. Lots of people like that bass more. With Audirvana is more tight, or maybe "fast". I have a much better bass now. I thought the Quad had very good bass but now i see... I've been In France for all week and only now arrived to Portugal (wednesday flight cacelled) so i will listen a lot more on the weekend and pass more impressions. Well i placed my order 12 may and received it 7 july...almost a month frown.gif but is here now:) Worth the wait.
I tried upsampling but not much. I noticed a more focused sound but a little too much sometimes.. I think i prefer NOS, but i'll try it again with more extensive playing.




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WOW! I'm about 25hrs burn in so far and it keeps getting better everyday. The bass and overall fullness of the sound stage is outstanding with high level detail present without the digital edge. The best way to describe it is like this, I'm nolonger dissecting recordings I'm enjoying the music!!!

Mr. John Kenny you have hit a home run with this converter. I am now up sampling all 44-48k MP3's-192,254,320 bitrate to 192k and it has a NOS sound that's incredible. When I play NOS 24/96 hi-res files I can just enjoy the music going from hi-res to MP3 files without noticing a drop off in SQ. The Pure Music server to Ciúnas to tube dac sounds as analog as I remember but with resolution that only digital can provide. If you see my earlier post I was hesitant buying the Ciúnas converter vs audiophilleo PP combo but I will not look back from here. I am now moving on to none audio related projects I think that's the biggest compliment I can give Mr. Kenny.
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Ciunas was connected to SBT. It played fine for some time and then I heard some crackling sound and eventually SBT would not recognize it. I thought it was a charging issue, so I replaced the external PS. Tried iPhone/iPad charger, regulated power supply, USB Hub etc. Finally returned it to John and he could play it fine with his PC :-(  He don't have SBT. So, at this time, we don;t know what the issue was.

 

I thought it was a charging issue, but John don't think so. Since returning the DAC costs close to $50 from this side of the pond, John and I  decided not to get a replacement until we figure out what the problem might have been. 

 

That's why I'm looking for a possible replacement for Ciunas. Concero was very favorably reviewed by Darko and it's in the same price range. That's why I'm interested in any comparisons between Ciunas and Concero.


Edited by sam1000 - 7/10/13 at 4:27pm
post #310 of 595
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Originally Posted by SwanSong View Post



The Pure Music server to Ciúnas to tube dac sounds as analog as I remember but with resolution that only digital can provide. If you see my earlier post I was hesitant buying the Ciúnas converter vs audiophilleo PP combo but I will not look back from here. I am now moving on to none audio related projects I think that's the biggest compliment I can give Mr. Kenny.

You have never heard a half decent vinyl rig then. A half decent vinyl rig will absolutely demolish digital, but this said, a poorly recorded piece of vinyl will be demolished by a superior recorded digital;).

 

You should try the Audiophilleo w/PP because it's free to try.  This way you can see if there is anything gained with the AP1/2 w/PurePower or if for 1/3rd the price practically, the Jkeny device is just as good or even better.  I'd be very interested in your thoughts about Jkeny's Ciunas vs. Audiphellio or even a free trial Empirical Audio Off-Ramp 5.

 

Good to hear you are enjoying the music and my words about vinyl and anything is just my own ears.  Nothing and I mean nothing can touch vinyl...well...reel to reel maybe:))

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Originally Posted by sam1000 View Post

Ciunas was connected to SBT. It played fine for some time and then I heard some crackling sound and eventually SBT would not recognize it. I thought it was a charging issue, so I replaced the external PS. Tried iPhone/iPad charger, regulated power supply, USB Hub etc. Finally returned it to John and he could play it fine with his PC :-(  He don't have SBT. So, at this time, we don;t know what the issue was.

 

I thought it was a charging issue, but John don't think so. Since returning the DAC costs close to $50 from this side of the pond, John and I  decided not to get a replacement until we figure out what the problem might have been. 

 

That's why I'm looking for a possible replacement for Ciunas. Concero was very favorably reviewed by Darko and it's in the same price range. That's why I'm interested in any comparisons between Ciunas and Concero.

Read about the issues the Hiface 2 has had and maybe this is what you were experiencing.  I need to look back on any issues, but I am just about 100% positive the Hiface 2 had issues that you describe above (not for everyone, but enough people perhaps running whatever they were running it with).  These new Jkeny devices are Hiface 2's with his mods...exactly the same thing as what he did previously using Hiface 1, but this time using the xmos based Hiface 2.  In the end, the dac has zero sound difference IMHO from anything else out there (you could literally run an Asus and get similar or subjectively better sound...what is most important here is that you do get the USB conversion.  The DAC simply adds more simplicity to the overall design so you don't have to buy dac+usb converter+all cables, etc. etc. 

 

Sorry to hear of the issue as the SBT is a great off-grid device and with the USB converters able to make use of it, it really becomes a great value.  Too bad I cannot buy them for $160 new when Logitech still sold them and had that extra 25% off coupon or whatever it was...had I known what would have evolved from it all, I'd have bought 100 or 1000 of them and banked major cash.  I'm scared to look on Ebay at current pricing, but last time about 4 months ago?, it was absurd and one could get the SUPERIOR Transporter for the same price!

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Originally Posted by Shahrose View Post

^ Couldn't have said it better AiDee.

 

A few additions about the Ciunas. If I were to really scrutinize its sound, I'd say it could use some liquidity in the mids and render a larger soundstage. I still think it plays in the same league as the PWD MK2 and Ref7.1 (with the Ciunas converter). The PWD is the lushest, most coloured of the three, and also the most liquid. I just don't like its congested sound. The Ref has the largest, most immersive sound (also the least fatiguing). The Ciunas is the most neutral (though erring very slightly towards the brighter/leaner side because of its tendency towards dryness rather than tubey wetness).

Hey Shahrose,

 

I forgot to ask, you have the PWD MK2 w/Bridge/dac, etc. right?...just running a USB cable from it to computer?  I ask because a friend had this unit but said it was horrible without the bridge.  I'm still surprised about your thoughts on the Ref7.1, not due to your opinion of course, but due to the age of the unit and the exceptional value it represents on the used market:):):)  If I didn't need a dac, I would easily have this Ref7.1 you have as I love big soundstage and immersion:)


Hope you have been well!

post #313 of 595
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Originally Posted by alancohen View Post

 

Ever since installing my Ciunas my music enjoyment has taken a huge step forward. But something was missing. I still wasn't getting that nice, creamy vinyl sound. Being I had very little frame of reference, and it's so hard to A/B this stuff, I figured: it is what it is. 

 

 

Well...problem solved! I've been working my way through my library and even crappy little MP3 files sound much better. Before everything sounded 'efforted', with little bits of occasional break-ups. Now, if I closed my eyes and pretend, I could swear a slab of vinyl was spinning in the corner. The only thing that brings me back to digital reality is the lacks of pops and crackles. 


Happy-happy.

I cannot help but NOT understand how anyone is able to even remotely compare digital with vinyl.  Vinyl is an experience, digital is digital...sure, digital has come a long way, but it's in no way, shape, or form, remotely close to vinyl's glorious sound.  This said, I have heard too many horrid sounding vinyl setups that I can definitely relate to you and another tossing the words digital and vinyl in the same sentence.  It's like hearing a ton of horrid equipment and wondering how in the world anyone could possibly like such a sound that does not even remotely sound alike the adjectives they are placing on the component (such as an amp).  I know that my go to guy for a phono stage is just not going to make anymore, maybe Christmas he'll feel in a happy mood:)))....so until I have a unit as I once did with is preamp+phono, etc....I will stick with digital and certainly not think once about vinyl...well...only when I hear it spoken about in conversation:)))))

 

This not meant as an attack in any way/shape/form, but I honestly cannot understand or relate with anyone that has heard a musical vinyl rig saying anything about the digital sounding like it...saying it (digital) has surely come a long ways and it sounds very very good vs. that crap sound we used to hear is accurate...saying it vs. vinyl is a big no-no...

 

Glad to hear you are enjoying the Ciunas.  I'm looking forward to buying one used since it looks like we'll see plenty on the used market once people play with another gadget:)

 

Peace!

post #314 of 595
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Originally Posted by WNBC View Post

Makes sense.  I actually ordered the converter but then changed my order to the DAC after some discussions with John.  

 

Good question though.  The DAC is more popular than the converter at the moment?   

 

Well think about it...You get less cables which=more $$$$ in the pocket, likely superior or "at least" as good of a USB (I say superior due to i2s vs. a conversion), and it's only a $250? difference...that's a no brainer unless one absolutely cannot give up their dac.

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Originally Posted by Audioexcels View Post

These new Jkeny devices are Hiface 2's with his mods...exactly the same thing as what he did previously using Hiface 1, but this time using the xmos based Hiface 2.

Um no :P  It's an Amanero device into a Wolfson.

 

Look ma no XMOS ;)

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