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post #961 of 1934
I have the ODAC. Works great with the Asgard 2. But based on how people have described the ODAC and Modi as pretty similar in SQ, I'd say get the Modi unless you want an even smaller DAC smily_headphones1.gif
post #962 of 1934
Well, still a difficult decision. Might I ask what HP you use with that combo?
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

I have the ODAC. Works great with the Asgard 2. But based on how people have described the ODAC and Modi as pretty similar in SQ, I'd say get the Modi unless you want an even smaller DAC smily_headphones1.gif
post #963 of 1934
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Well, still a difficult decision. Might I ask what HP you use with that combo?

Nothing hard to drive. K550 and SR225i.
post #964 of 1934

When I compared the odac and the modi, I found that the odac was appreciably better IMO. It's also $50 more expensive so the formula for price vs performance holds true there. The o2 with RCA jacks is pretty darn good and would work with more expensive hp's quite well. 

post #965 of 1934
Alright thanks guys, I'm so excited! Buying my Asgard 2 today and will have the ODAC by Christmas!
post #966 of 1934
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Alright thanks guys, I'm so excited! Buying my Asgard 2 today and will have the ODAC by Christmas!

 

Awesome. Be sure to keep us posted with some impressions. I have Asgard 1 and I'd love to compare 1 and 2 and see what some of the sonic differences are.

post #967 of 1934

The A2 is a nice upgrade from the A1. To my ears, it's cleaner and the dynamics are better. The A2 borrows linage from the mojo which is good enough for me. Plus the preamp outs and gain switch make it very flexible. Tough to beat at $250. 

post #968 of 1934

I know it doesn't pertain to the Asgard, but how about the Modi to the Uber Bifrost?

post #969 of 1934
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The A2 is a nice upgrade from the A1. To my ears, it's cleaner and the dynamics are better. The A2 borrows linage from the mojo which is good enough for me. Plus the preamp outs and gain switch make it very flexible. Tough to beat at $250. 

 

That's good to know. I'd love to give it a listen. I mean I don't need anything more than a headphone amp, so that's why the A1 appeals to me, but regardless, A2 is something I need to hear.

post #970 of 1934

Really really hope my Asgard 2 was a lemon. I'm still looking forward to hearing a new one it if it was. Should know something within a few days I think.

I think Schiit is pretty busy so i'm going to be very patient!

 

Also, when comparing the ODAC and Modi it's usually best to do it on a very transparent amp like the O2 or Headroom Micro Amp. That way you don't hear any of the amp's colorations instead. When I compared them I had to switch from the Magni to the Micro. It was extremely hard for ME to hear any differences. Most of them could have been placebo and when it wasn't stupid easy to hear any differences I left them out of my review for them. For example, sometimes the ODAC sounded clearer but the difference was barely audible. Modi also didn't sound any warm/colder than the ODAC and no changes in tonality at all for me. NONE.

 

I'd gladly take either the ODAC or Modi. There was one thing I felt the Modi did better so I kept that and sold my ODAC. Modi is really amazing with the Micro Amp. It's really smooth and even more so than the O2 itself (huh?!). It's weird but the Modi and ODAC sound more transparent than the O2 and Magni!

 

O2 sounds like 97.9% transparent and the ODAC about 99% :biggrin: You know I just say this kind of stuff to annoy people...oh and the Micro sounds about 100% transparent. I can't resist mentioning that amp whenever possible!

 

Even if I had a $500 amp i'd still be using the Modi.

 

BTW if it wasn't for the Modi i'd probably have never given the Asgard 2 a try. Right now i'm kind of a Modi and Micro Amp fanboy.

 

Someday i'll try the Bifrost too since it uses the same brand of chipsets as the Modi. This doesn't always mean much though. Not really sure how you could improve the Modi any further..

post #971 of 1934

Not to be a downer, but I think that the chance of having a "bad" A2 is small. Of course it's possible. I understand that you had other amps but your pc could still be the culprit IMO. Did you listen to the amp without the pc in the chain, say like with a cd player or mp3 player. 

 

I've followed this thread from the beginning and the only real issues I've read about were the issues on the early units with hum and some cosmetic issues that have both been corrected. I honestly hope that something was wrong with the amp and that you problem is resolved. Post back and let us know.

post #972 of 1934
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Not to be a downer, but I think that the chance of having a "bad" A2 is small. Of course it's possible. I understand that you had other amps but your pc could still be the culprit IMO. Did you listen to the amp without the pc in the chain, say like with a cd player or mp3 player. 

 

I've followed this thread from the beginning and the only real issues I've read about were the issues on the early units with hum and some cosmetic issues that have both been corrected. I honestly hope that something was wrong with the amp and that you problem is resolved. Post back and let us know.

 

Yeah I tried a ton of other sources with similar results. Docked Ipod Touch 2G, E17 from Xbox 360 (optical) and a full sized CD player. I even tried a Clip+!

Strangely they all seemed to sound very similar which makes no sense. E17 from Xbox was the worst by far.  They all measure flat but yet it's pretty easy to hear the differences.

 

No chance of it being my PC's fault since every other amp and DAC combo is perfect. It was the same setup i've had for years. I've been using my regular amps since last Tuesday and no problems.

I spent 6+ hours troubleshooting my PC when there was never any problem to begin with. I even bought a USB card and got it in last week but there is no improvement or change in the sound from how it always was.

 

I did have a bad Magni once (Schiit took care of it fast), but I'm sure the chances of having a bad Asgard 2 are even smaller.

 

It's just too bad that the issue didn't occur immediately. That way I didn't have to waste nearly two days of my time on it..

 

Who knows, maybe it's good and I just hated the A2. Not sure why it was so excessively warm for me. It's not coming from the headphone or source!

Maybe a part inside is failing.

 

 

Oh yeah...at first maybe I thought my ears were just tired or something but i'd switch to my other amps and they'd sound perfect. Even after giving my ears a rest there was really no change.

 

Haha, maybe the Asgard 2 really does need crazy amounts of burn-in to be at it's best. Not going there.. :biggrin:


Edited by tdockweiler - 10/1/13 at 8:23am
post #973 of 1934
The A2 is not excessively warm. It'd say it's clean and close to neutral.
post #974 of 1934
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The A2 is not excessively warm. It'd say it's clean and close to neutral.

+1

I don't try to make some of the finer distinctions between amps that some people do. (Because of flaws in human audio perception, I think it's probably really, really hard to do with accuracy). But I didn't find my Asgard 2 to be significantly different in warmth than my O2. It seems to me that if there are any minor differences in warmth between it and another amp, once one stopped comparing their equipment and focused instead on the music, it would soon be forgotten.
post #975 of 1934
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+1

I don't try to make some of the finer distinctions between amps that some people do. (Because of flaws in human audio perception, I think it's probably really, really hard to do with accuracy). But I didn't find my Asgard 2 to be significantly different in warmth than my O2. It seems to me that if there are any minor differences in warmth between it and another amp, once one stopped comparing their equipment and focused instead on the music, it would soon be forgotten.

 

 

That's my experience as well. I'm on my first amp and first headphones....the easy to drive Grasdo 225i which some would say hardly need am amp. But, I found a significant improvement with my 225's. As stated, very clear, natural and open, the details and separation of instruments seem to open up for me. But in my novice view, the A2 doesn't color the sound one way or the other.


Edited by markm1 - 10/1/13 at 10:45am
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