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post #931 of 1952
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Seems like your best bet now is to send it back. Stop testing. Have Schiit check it out. If there's a problem with the amp, they can send you a new one. If they say it's fine, then you know the Asgard 2 is not for you.

 

Yep I'm thinking of doing that after giving it a few more hours.

 

I did have some weird chemical like smell in my bedroom last night but it's probably not coming from the amp. No blown caps or anything that I can see from the outside. Could have been my neighbors :normal_smile :

It's not that fried electronics smell. That's the worst..

post #932 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Yep I'm thinking of doing that after giving it a few more hours.

I would always 2nd guess myself if I didn't send it back after having your experience.
post #933 of 1952
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


I would always 2nd guess myself if I didn't send it back after having your experience.

 

Yeah I'm going to return it.

It doesn't make any sense why i've had to go through so much trouble just to get it to sound right.

Haha, maybe it just needed more burn in. I never believe in that non-sense. The increase in warmth is just really dramatic. Now it's like it has an overdose of it and sounds worse than on day 1 and 2.

I'm going to laugh if it's defective and I spent so much time listening to it. Right now theres maybe only a 50/50 chance something's wrong.

 

I'm betting I just don't like the sound and it's really supposed to be VERY warm. Like I said..on day 2 it didn't seem too warm at all. Bizarre.

post #934 of 1952

I wouldn't describe my A2 as warm. Physically, sure; but it's a very clean and clear sound signature. Sounds like yours is defective.

post #935 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Defiant00 View Post
 

I wouldn't describe my A2 as warm. Physically, sure; but it's a very clean and clear sound signature. Sounds like yours is defective.

 

I agree with both of these statements. I'd send it back. Sounds like you just got a lemon. It's a great amp.

post #936 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Defiant00 View Post
 

I wouldn't describe my A2 as warm. Physically, sure; but it's a very clean and clear sound signature. Sounds like yours is defective.

 

Ok, so this is weird then. That's really good to know.

I sent it back today and they should get it on Thursday.

 

I really hope it's defective because I'm willing to give it another chance. If not than I guess I just don't like it. I'll feel sort of bad if it's 100% OK.

 

Like I said before..the first few days were good when it wasn't randomly sounding weird. Yet with the same exact setup the other amps were OK.

I must have posted a ton of random stuff on here and then I'd have to go back and remove them because somehow it had fixed itself. Felt like I was thread crapping with all my problems.

 

LOL I even cleaned my ears out and tried to make sure my HD-650 drivers didn't pop loose. :biggrin:

 

On day two with the 650 it didn't sound all that dramatically different than my other amp (which is a good thing).

 

 

post #937 of 1952

If this is the only amp you have that displays the weird behavior then I'd say something is wrong with it. 

post #938 of 1952
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

If this is the only amp you have that displays the weird behavior then I'd say something is wrong with it. 

 

I thought maybe that it was some sort of weird interference or noise coming from my computer that was degrading the sound.

I think the problem kept changing from bad usb port to bad usb cable to bad RCA cable. I even ordered a new USB card thinking it was my computers fault.

 

It did seem to sound best when I had nothing but cables with thick shielding. Then of course the issue was so random that it probably didn't do a thing.

I even tried switching to different surge protectors and even directly to the wall.

 

The biggest weirdness was when randomly all the life of the music would be sucked out. Like everything went so dull/flat/boring. Like coming from a radio. I also experienced random changes in the bass quantity and how forward the low mids were too. Not due to the tracks. Now it's just flabby bass and lots of warmth. Much darker.

 

 

 

post #939 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

LOL I even cleaned my ears out

Please don't tell us what was inside wink.gif
post #940 of 1952
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


Please don't tell us what was inside wink.gif

 

Haha..nothing.

I must be abnormal because I clean my ears and use Q-tips religiously.

It really does improve audio quality :normal_smile :

 

I swear that sometimes headphones sound worse when you're congested, stressed, tired or are sick. It all varies. This definitely wasn't the case.

 

Luckily I don't do any of that Ear candling nonsense! I'd probably set my head on fire.

post #941 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Ok, so this is weird then. That's really good to know.
I sent it back today and they should get it on Thursday.

I really hope it's defective because I'm willing to give it another chance. If not than I guess I just don't like it. I'll feel sort of bad if it's 100% OK.

Like I said before..the first few days were good when it wasn't randomly sounding weird. Yet with the same exact setup the other amps were OK.
I must have posted a ton of random stuff on here and then I'd have to go back and remove them because somehow it had fixed itself. Felt like I was thread crapping with all my problems.

LOL I even cleaned my ears out and tried to make sure my HD-650 drivers didn't pop loose. biggrin.gif

On day two with the 650 it didn't sound all that dramatically different than my other amp (which is a good thing).


I have a few questions for you to better understand the situation. (I wish I could have responded before you shipped your Schiit back). First and foremost, if there is anything even slightly off, the guys at Schiitnwill take care of you, as they are incredible on the customer service end. I had to troubleshoot my Bifrost a while back, so I feel your frustration. I am hoping I can help clear up if you we're doing anything "wrong" on the PC side.


1) Is your PC overclocked?
2) Did you try different USB ports or just the one close to the Ethernet port?
3) Did your hook up your A2 to a non-digital source? (stereo, cd play, etc)
4) Did you try using different gain settings to see if that changed the sound?
5) What equipment do you currently have at the moment?
6) When your A2 sounded bad, was is in the middle of a sound/listening session? Or was is between songs or switching different headphones?
7) Do you listen to FLAC or other higher quality recordings?


Factors to consider:
My Asgard1 needs 45-60 minutes under load to warmup before it would sound its best. If you listened for a few hours, turned it off, and come back to re-listen... I wouldn't be surprised if you interpreted the sound that way. A cold Schiit sounds lifeless to my ears.

After upgrading, I noticed both more positives and more negatives in recordings. My Schiit stack gave me a sense of clarity and revealed many details that I may have missed otherwise. It also shows me when a recording is at fault. Bad recordings can easily detract from an enjoyable experience.

Playing around with Windows sound settings in the control center can alter the sound dramatically (and not in a good way)! By accidentally setting the sampling rate too high, the sound can sound mechanical and fake. Be sure to use recommended settings or test Wasapi/ASIO to get a true sound without Microsoft's programing interference. I am not suggesting that your problem is your DAC with limited infor, but make sure you can safely rule out that it is not DAC or software related first.

Troubleshooting can be very tiresome, but it's very easy to misjudge components without separating equipment and testing with some sort of control. I hope Schiit can shed some light on your situation, and hope it gets resolved quickly. But in the meantime, don't over think it, be sure to take time to enjoy the music. I noticed I wasn't having fun anymore when I kept A/B 10-15 second clips of songs to try to hear differences between cables or pads or tubes. Try not to second guess yourself or get too caught up with switching out cables every 5 minutes.

Good Luck
post #942 of 1952
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Originally Posted by mrscotchguy View Post


1) Is your PC overclocked?
2) Did you try different USB ports or just the one close to the Ethernet port?
3) Did your hook up your A2 to a non-digital source? (stereo, cd play, etc)
4) Did you try using different gain settings to see if that changed the sound?
5) What equipment do you currently have at the moment?
6) When your A2 sounded bad, was is in the middle of a sound/listening session? Or was is between songs or switching different headphones?
7) Do you listen to FLAC or other higher quality recordings?
 

 

I'll try to be quick here so I don't flood the thread with a bunch of my problems. More impressions of the thing the better!

You wouldn't believe how many different things i've tried. I must have spent 6 hours and every combination of port, usb cable, interconnect cable etc. I basically wasted my whole Monday on this and I worked Sunday so I had it off.

At different times I thought it was interferences from the ethernet jack and then bad usb cable, port, RCA cable or noise coming from the wall. Turns out that after all this there is really nothing wrong with my system!

PC is not overclocked and I disabled any power saving features. With the same exact setup the E17 and Modi to my Micro Amp sound great! I also tried an Ipod Touch 2G docked, Clip+, Ipod Classic and two full sized CD players (Denon 1920/Oppo etc).

Tried using different gain settings. When listening to the Asgard 2 the first day I had it on for 6-7 hours straight. Day two I'm not sure really but I don't think it would have sounded this bad without warming up.

It sounded the worst on the Xbox 360 with E17 as a DAC. Never once in my life did I ever hear bass bleed with a headphone when playing Fallout 3. It was really bizarre.

 

So 50/50 chance it's bad. I thought maybe my ears were bad or something but my other system sounded perfect.

 

Oh and I also tried this bizarre idea of plugging it into a wall outlet that was further away from my PC. I even moved the A2 about 4 feet away from the PC just to be safe. I also tried two high quality surge protectors with filtering. Isobar and a Furman.

 

The sound randomly seemed to fade in and out, but then it'd sound great for awhile. This fading is very subtle at times.

 

Most of my tracks are 128kbps AAC. Kidding. They're mostly FLAC but a few 320kbps files. I honestly cannot hear a difference between the two but I haven't tried in maybe 3 years. Some bad recordings in FLAC can still sound like 128kbps files to begin with!

 

 

If it is 100% bad without any doubt I'm still willing to give it another try. I also don't think i've ever heard the Asgard 2 described as warm. Hmm, maybe it is to some? Usually its "dry". Supposedly the A1 is a little darker than the A2 but I don't know if that's true. The A2 on day 3 was definitely very warm sounding. I know the HD-650 is too but it seemed to make it even warmer than it already was.

post #943 of 1952
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Originally Posted by Defiant00 View Post
 

I wouldn't describe my A2 as warm. Physically, sure; but it's a very clean and clear sound signature. Sounds like yours is defective.

 

I would only describe the A2 as warm coming from my neutral and "bright" headphones. I could imagine with HD650s that it might sound too warm?? I don't have experience with an HD650 and A2 but I would say my DT880 actually sounds warmer than neutral and there's no bass bleed either. Hmm, I'm going to invite someone over with HD650s and test this out. I'd agree with others suggesting that you may have gotten a lemon. Mine sounded horrid the first day but after 50 hours of burn in it sounded miles better and less bloated with the bass.

post #944 of 1952
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

 

I'll try to be quick here so I don't flood the thread with a bunch of my problems. More impressions of the thing the better!

You wouldn't believe how many different things i've tried. I must have spent 6 hours and every combination of port, usb cable, interconnect cable etc. I basically wasted my whole Monday on this and I worked Sunday so I had it off.

At different times I thought it was interferences from the ethernet jack and then bad usb cable, port, RCA cable or noise coming from the wall. Turns out that after all this there is really nothing wrong with my system!

PC is not overclocked and I disabled any power saving features. With the same exact setup the E17 and Modi to my Micro Amp sound great! I also tried an Ipod Touch 2G docked, Clip+, Ipod Classic and two full sized CD players (Denon 1920/Oppo etc).

Tried using different gain settings. When listening to the Asgard 2 the first day I had it on for 6-7 hours straight. Day two I'm not sure really but I don't think it would have sounded this bad without warming up.

It sounded the worst on the Xbox 360 with E17 as a DAC. Never once in my life did I ever hear bass bleed with a headphone when playing Fallout 3. It was really bizarre.

 

So 50/50 chance it's bad. I thought maybe my ears were bad or something but my other system sounded perfect.

 

Oh and I also tried this bizarre idea of plugging it into a wall outlet that was further away from my PC. I even moved the A2 about 4 feet away from the PC just to be safe. I also tried two high quality surge protectors with filtering. Isobar and a Furman.

 

The sound randomly seemed to fade in and out, but then it'd sound great for awhile. This fading is very subtle at times.

 

Most of my tracks are 128kbps AAC. Kidding. They're mostly FLAC but a few 320kbps files. I honestly cannot hear a difference between the two but I haven't tried in maybe 3 years. Some bad recordings in FLAC can still sound like 128kbps files to begin with!

 

 

If it is 100% bad without any doubt I'm still willing to give it another try. I also don't think i've ever heard the Asgard 2 described as warm. Hmm, maybe it is to some? Usually its "dry". Supposedly the A1 is a little darker than the A2 but I don't know if that's true. The A2 on day 3 was definitely very warm sounding. I know the HD-650 is too but it seemed to make it even warmer than it already was.

Good FLAC recordings will always sound better than 320kbps .mp3s. I've had some FLAC recordings where someone tried to compress an mp3 into an FLAC  smh :triportsad:

My favorite recordings are in 24-bit 44100 Hz. I have some vinyl rips in 24-bit and 96000 Hz but they only sound good if they are ripped using a quality setup. I have three vinyl rip that sounds good without popping and hissing from a dirty record or bad cartridge. Most of my vinyl rips in 24-bit 96000 Hz have too much background noise.

post #945 of 1952
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post
 

 

 Mine sounded horrid the first day but after 50 hours of burn in it sounded miles better and less bloated with the bass.

 

Haha, total opposite for me. I felt it sounded pretty good on day 1 and 2. Day 3...way too warm for me.

On day 1 it sounded pretty close to my Micro Amp and maybe just a tiny bit more of warmth.

I was even pretty convinced it was closer in sound to my Micro Amp than the O2..

I even posted on here that it was a definite keeper (when it was sounding right).

 

I got a USB card installed today (thanks to the Asgard 2) and no change/improvement in sound than going from the other ports or a powered USB hub.

I guess that's good to know.

 

I don't know how many hours of use I had on the Asgard 2 before I boxed it up but my guess is maybe 12-15. I got it this Saturday though.

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