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post #916 of 1934

You might ask your power company to run new cable to your house from the transformer to make sure the issue isn't being generated there.

post #917 of 1934

^ I think that's it. Sounds like the entire house isn't grounded properly which explains the computer noise. 

 

I'm not really not hearing any noise on my setup since using optical instead of USB (which has a very slight noise floor on my last DAC) with my Bifrost. 

post #918 of 1934

This thing sure seems like a complete noise magnet just like the Magni. I guess it has filtering inside or whatever. The O2 and my Micro were always dead silent and didn't have such weird issues. I think my system is actually fine because with two others amps there is no problem.

 

Today I was trying the HD-650 for several hours with both the Asgard 2 and Micro Amp + Astrodyne.

Micro sounds much more clear, spacious and airy sounding yet it's still full sounding and not thinner. Yeah and that's with the HD-650! On the Asgard 2 it's more blurry/fuzzy sounding but still pretty good. Almost like a thin layer of something over the sound in comparison. This was on Tony Bennett recordings where he sounds like he's singing in a bar/club. There is some air in the recording but mostly not audible with the Asgard2 for me. The differences are not like night and day and kind of subtle. Micro seems a little more detailed but not quite sure. The overall "sound signature" seems pretty similar but the Asgard 2 seems just a tad darker (but certainly not a dark amp!).

 

Basically right now it sounds good but not great. Sounds like a good quality $200-$250 amp. Sounds pretty relaxed, smooth and laid back sort of (still measuring flat). It doesn't seem to have a crystal clear sound or be super revealing and detailed. It makes sense why it would sound good with a DT-990 or a Grado. I really like it with the modded Q701 (which is a little bassier/fuller than normal).

 

I would say the Micro is similar to the A2 but with the crystal clear sound of the O2 mixed in and even smoother treble than what the O2 had. The Micro + Astrodyne sounds like a more refined and smoother sounding O2 to my ears.

 

The Micro Amp was $330 new and the Astrodyne usually goes for $60-$100. Hardly fair to compare them maybe. The Micro really is worth $330. Because of this is makes sense why the Micro might sound better. The Micro isn't just some weak overpriced portable amp to ME.

 

I want to compare the two for the next week but the Asgard 2 might be a keeper. It wouldn't be my first pick under $300 for the HD-650 though. Maybe 2nd but not sure. I actually did love the O2 with the HD-650. Yeah weird.

 

I do love how the Asgard 2 has pretty smooth treble. Theres a good chance I might prefer the Asgard 2 to the O2 but not sure yet. Asgard 2 definitely does sound neutral to me. I like it more than the Asgard 1 and not sure what changed. Maybe nothing but more jiggawatts! Kidding and I've read the comparisons to the A1.

 

Right now I have the Asgard 2 sitting very far away and isolated. :normal_smile : 

 

I wonder how the Matrix M-Stage compares to the Asgard 2...


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/23/13 at 4:02pm
post #919 of 1934
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post
 

This thing sure seems like a complete noise magnet just like the Magni. I guess it has filtering inside or whatever. The O2 and my Micro were always dead silent and didn't have such weird issues. I think my system is actually fine because with two others amps there is no problem.

 

Today I was trying the HD-650 for several hours with both the Asgard 2 and Micro Amp + Astrodyne.

Micro sounds much more clear, spacious and airy sounding yet it's still full sounding and not thinner. Yeah and that's with the HD-650! On the Asgard 2 it's more blurry/fuzzy sounding but still pretty good. Almost like a thin layer of something over the sound in comparison. This was on Tony Bennett recordings where he sounds like he's singing in a bar/club. There is some air in the recording but mostly not audible with the Asgard2 for me. The differences are not like night and day and kind of subtle. Micro seems a little more detailed but not quite sure. The overall "sound signature" seems pretty similar but the Asgard 2 seems just a tad darker (but certainly not a dark amp!).

 

Basically right now it sounds good but not great. Sounds like a good quality $200-$250 amp. Sounds pretty relaxed, smooth and laid back sort of (still measuring flat). It doesn't seem to have a crystal clear sound or be super revealing and detailed. It makes sense why it would sound good with a DT-990 or a Grado. I really like it with the modded Q701 (which is a little bassier/fuller than normal).

 

I would say the Micro is similar to the A2 but with the crystal clear sound of the O2 mixed in and even smoother treble than what the O2 had. The Micro + Astrodyne sounds like a more refined and smoother sounding O2 to my ears.

 

The Micro Amp was $330 new and the Astrodyne usually goes for $60-$100. Hardly fair to compare them maybe. The Micro really is worth $330. Because of this is makes sense why the Micro might sound better. The Micro isn't just some weak overpriced portable amp to ME.

 

I want to compare the two for the next week but the Asgard 2 might be a keeper. It wouldn't be my first pick under $300 for the HD-650 though. Maybe 2nd but not sure. I actually did love the O2 with the HD-650. Yeah weird.

 

I do love how the Asgard 2 has pretty smooth treble. Theres a good chance I might prefer the Asgard 2 to the O2 but not sure yet. Asgard 2 definitely does sound neutral to me. I like it more than the Asgard 1 and not sure what changed. Maybe nothing but more jiggawatts! Kidding and I've read the comparisons to the A1.

 

Right now I have the Asgard 2 sitting very far away and isolated. :normal_smile : 

 

I wonder how the Matrix M-Stage compares to the Asgard 2...

 

I think my Asgard 2 and DT880 250ohm are a perfect match. Asgard 2 is on the warmer side of neutral in my opinion. It adds more bass and weight to the mid and upper bass while keeping the treble sparkly and instruments far and wide. Could be a synergy issue with the HD650? I've heard they sound great with the Lyr 

post #920 of 1934
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I think my Asgard 2 and DT880 250ohm are a perfect match. Asgard 2 is on the warmer side of neutral in my opinion. It adds more bass and weight to the mid and upper bass while keeping the treble sparkly and instruments far and wide. Could be a synergy issue with the HD650? I've heard they sound great with the Lyr 

 

Well, it still sounds good with the HD-650 and really just comes down to preferences. I imagine the Asgard 2 should be fine for anything but not sure.

 

It's been a constant struggle to get the Asgard 2 to sound good. Don't know what the heck was going on. I'm now about 95% there is nothing wrong with my computer, USB ports or hub. I mean all my other amps are perfect.

 

Unlike my Micro Amp the Asgard 2 benefits from a surge protector with noise filtering.

 

I moved it about 4 feet away from my computer and monitor and so far so good. For best results I have to use cables with the best shielding I can find.

 

Yeah on the Asgard 2 I can actually HEAR a difference with RCA cables. Weird right?

 

Bizarre how there is no noise at all when I turn the volume up. I fixed that and it wasn't the problem.

 

This stupid thing has been driving me nuts!!

 

EDIT: I think this thing might be dead or dying because I just got random massive bass bloat. LOL great...


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/23/13 at 5:23pm
post #921 of 1934
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

If you have a good working USB cable, a more expensive one won't improve anything. Belkin makes good USB cables. If you are afraid you have one that is not working properly, buy a couple of Monoprice USB cables and compare them all. The odds of all three not working properly is going to to be astronomical. smily_headphones1.gif
I have to second what cel said, i bought 5 cables from them and am very pleased with the results
post #922 of 1934

I think my Asgard 2 is defective. I'll triple check things tomorrow and try many sources that aren't USB. I will also try another computer.

 

I went to Radioshack to try two more random things before I go crazy. Bought a new interconnect cable and USB cable just for the heck of it. Didn't want to wait for my Monoprice order to arrive.

 

Everything sounded fine with the new RCA cable and then after 15 minutes all the life of the music got sucked out. Vanished. Then after awhile it comes back!

Randomly sounds like there is absolutely no fullness to anything.

 

Right now I'm listening to a Philip Glass song and it feels like i'm listening to it on a portable radio.

 

EDIT:

 

Out of nowhere I came up with this idea to disable some things in my BIOS. I disabled SpeedSTEP/EIST that regulates CPU speed depending on use. I also increased the Northbridge voltage a little.

It's now been 30 minutes and everything sounds good and no randomly degraded sound quality. With my luck it will probably screw up again later. I have a quad core Q6600 so its not too slow and old.

 

No idea how I have not heard this even once with my other amps. I've had that Speedstep thing active for maybe 4 months with zero problems.

 

Only change was swapping to a new Radioshack cable but the problem came back before I did the changes in the BIOS.

 

I also set Power Saving to "High Performance". I've always made sure to never ever put USB devices to sleep.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/23/13 at 7:46pm
post #923 of 1934

Again, are you listening to the same song on a loop when you're hearing these changes?  Thinking the amp sounds different when changing to different songs with different approaches to recording and mastering doesn't seem too sound to me.

post #924 of 1934
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

Again, are you listening to the same song on a loop when you're hearing these changes?  Thinking the amp sounds different when changing to different songs with different approaches to recording and mastering doesn't seem too sound to me.

 

Oh no I definitely don't listen at random like that when comparing things. There is such huge variations in some songs so that's definitely a big no-no for me. I have a playlist with a bunch of songs I memorized. I really like to use good recordings with a large soundstage. I remember once when I was comparing the HD-600 and 650 I could barely hear any difference with some songs. With specific music it was easy.

 

I try to not compare when there is a song I haven't heard a million times.

 

With my main amp and the Q701 there are songs that sound like i'm listening to an AD700 and then the next sounds like i'm listening to an HD-650 :biggrin:

 

Sometimes I think when people criticize a specific headphones it's just the recordings fault! Like "vocals are too distant sounding" or "too harsh and tinny". Well I have recordings that sounds exactly like that on almost anything! I even have some junk with bloated bass IN the recording. That was nice of them!

 

Hmm, there's some bad recordings that actually sound 10x worse on the Asgard2. I mean the recording quality. One that sounds really bad is "Thin Air" from Pearl Jam. Not sure why it sounds so bad. It's 320kbps but sounds like 128kbps.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/23/13 at 8:03pm
post #925 of 1934

I can understand using a select few songs you know by heart when comparing headphones, but in this special case it might be fun to just loop one song over and over for an hour and see if it ever changes for you.  :D

post #926 of 1934

Oh yeah I did that a ton too.

 

Right now everything is sounding really muffled again :confused_face_2:

 

I played "Thin Air" (Pearl Jam) straight through, tried another track and then went back to Thin Air and it sounded good!

After a third time the bass is very bloated and the whole sound is really congested sounding.

 

Guess I will try a docked Ipod Touch or a CD player as a source tomorrow.

 

One track I loop over and over now randomly gets bloated in the bass and then the mids are shoved forward.

Something seriously wrong! It's not a specific area in the track.

 

If everything is A-OK on a different non-computer source I will be shocked!

 

At least this time it took 45 minutes for things to go south...

post #927 of 1934

I'm a firm believer in pixies and fairy dust existing in your interconnects that make things sound better. I'm not going to say that I would justify spending anything more than $50 on a single cable, but I have some decent cables that are supposed to be for audio. I'm running Audioquest USB forest from my Schiit Uberfrost then PYST RCAs connecting the stack to my Asgard 2. Uberfrost was a huge upgrade from using my HT omega soundcard's DAC.  While they are cheap interconnects they're still quality and I would use them any day over the cheapo plastic red and white RCAs

post #928 of 1934

I had a horrible hum and beeping from my asgard 2 using the RCA outs on my titanium hd when i first got it. It was dead silent when my computer was off and connected to my ipod using the RCA to 3.5mm so i figured i had a ground loop of some sort even though i was on a power conditioner. I bought a Hum-x and problem was solved. 

post #929 of 1934

I tried the Asgard 2 with my Xbox 360 last night.

Setup was optical to E17 with amp disabled. The signal was then sent to the Asgard.

In Fallout 3 with the HD-650 everything was super full sounding and almost abnormally so. Like the bass was adding weight to EVERYTHING. It sounded like it had bass bleed. Huh?!

Low mids seemed too forward. I think E17 DAC + Asgard 2 is a bad combo for me. Strangely it sounded more normal with just the E17 and even the soundstage was larger!

The E17 isn't has a slight touch of warmth itself too. I guess the two together is like a double whammy in terms of warmth.

 

This morning I woke up and tried a docked Ipod Touch 2G to the Asgard for an hour. Everything was excessively warm and rather fuzzy sounding. The HD-650 sounded more veiled than ever before. Seemed darker than i've ever heard it.

The sound was congested, lacked detail and clarity. The Ipod Touch 2G was almost unrecognizable. It normally sounds thin/cold and sometimes bright.

 

So my Asgard 2 is either defective or extremely warm/congested. Right now it's like the warmest and most fuzzy sounding amp i've ever heard. Luckily it's a little better on my computer setup. I hope it's defective because it sounds pretty bad now.

 

It's possible everything is fine and maybe the Asgard 2 sound is not for me. I don't know why but it seemed to get warmer sounding after the first day. On day 1 it didn't really seem warm at all and really neutral.

I'm not going to mention anything about burn-in and I'm sure they do some at the factory. Let's not go there. :biggrin:

 

Going to listen to it for a few hours today and try to not over-analyze things. I tried that earlier and it didn't work out. Hated most every minute of it.

post #930 of 1934
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

So my Asgard 2 is either defective or extremely warm/congested. Right now it's like the warmest and most fuzzy sounding amp i've ever heard. Luckily it's a little better on my computer setup. I hope it's defective because it sounds pretty bad now.

Seems like your best bet now is to send it back. Stop testing. Have Schiit check it out. If there's a problem with the amp, they can send you a new one. If they say it's fine, then you know the Asgard 2 is not for you.
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