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post #901 of 1848
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


If you have a good working USB cable, a more expensive one won't improve anything. Belkin makes good USB cables. If you are afraid you have one that is not working properly, buy a couple of Monoprice USB cables and compare them all. The odds of all three not working properly is going to to be astronomical. smily_headphones1.gif

 

Yeah probably not and I know USB cables aren't going to improve the sound etc unless the old cable is REALLY bad or defective. I've actually had a USB cable die once. Didn't think that was possible.

I'm really questioning this Belkin cable. It's a 3 footer too. The USB hub was also a Belkin!

 

I really like to try things out for myself. I don't mind paying $30 for a better built USB cable with good shielding that will last for 10 years+

I bet with a fancy $30 cable my USB drive speeds will improve by at least 20MB/sec! Kidding...

 

I haven't really heard any difference between interconnect cables since I had the HRT MSII DAC but the one I just bought at Wal-Mart (GE brand) today is no good. Sounds like poop with the Asgard 2. Could be placebo or whatever. (FIXED: interference to USB from ethernet. Poor shielding on cable made it worse?)

I actually had to go out and buy a new cable with dual RCA jacks on both ends due to a new amp. Forgot about that. I usually buy cheap Mogami or Monoprice stuff. Whatever has good shielding.

 

Guess I won't need a new USB cable now. Found a really thick clear one where you can see all the metal shielding inside it. I really dislike USB. I think if I get the Bifrost it will be the version with optical connection only.

 

Why the heck is the Asgard 2 fixing faults with my setup! I didn't ask you to do that danggit!

 

EDIT:

 

Sometimes with the Asgard2 I'm getting all confused. Some music sounds really blurry/muffled with the Q701. My only idea is that the Asgard2/Modi combo is just more revealing of how bad each recording is. I don't know. The modded Q701 does this more often too. Bad recordings might even sound worse on the Asgard 2 compared to my Micro Amp. I don't mean harsh/bright recordings but ones that are just low bit-rate or not clear at all. Of course it still could be the Asgard 2 that is muffled, but I don't think so :biggrin:

 

Some ambient music sounds good but is just so muffled on nearly any setup.

 

Haha maybe the Asgard 2 is more transparent than we give it credit for.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/21/13 at 9:55pm
post #902 of 1848
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Originally Posted by tdockweiler View Post

Yeah probably not and I know USB cables aren't going to improve the sound etc unless the old cable is REALLY bad or defective. I've actually had a USB cable die once. Didn't think that was possible.
I'm really questioning this Belkin cable. It's a 3 footer too. The USB hub was also a Belkin!

I really like to try things out for myself. I don't mind paying $30 for a better built USB cable with good shielding that will last for 10 years+
I bet with a fancy $30 cable my USB drive speeds will improve by at least 20MB/sec! Kidding...

I haven't really heard any difference between interconnect cables since I had the HRT MSII DAC but the one I just bought at Wal-Mart (GE brand) today is no good. Sounds like poop with the Asgard 2. Could be placebo or whatever.
I actually had to go out and buy a new cable with dual RCA jacks on both ends due to a new amp. Forgot about that. I usually buy cheap Mogami or Monoprice stuff. Whatever has good shielding.

Guess I won't need a new USB cable now. Found a really thick clear one where you can see all the metal shielding inside it. I really dislike USB. I think if I get the Bifrost it will be the version with optical connection only.

Why the heck is the Asgard 2 fixing faults with my setup! I didn't ask you to do that danggit!

Maybe you could school me on how a USB hub could "improve or fix" anything. Doesn't it get the signal from a USB port? Just asking, I've never used one, thanks.
post #903 of 1848
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Originally Posted by gefski View Post


Maybe you could school me on how a USB hub could "improve or fix" anything. Doesn't it get the signal from a USB port? Just asking, I've never used one, thanks.

 

Remember, I mean POWERED USB hub. So the DAC is getting extra power from the wall.

Well, when I first got my HRT MSII I connected it to my laptop's USB port.

When i'd scroll up and down in windows I'd get pops/clicks and weird noises. Then randomly I'd get screeching through my headphones until I yanked the cable.

I even tried switching ports without any luck.

I think the ports were just underpowered (USB 2.0 still) and really poor quality.

 

When I switched to a powered USB hub all those noises and screeching vanished. The sound also seemed more smooth and don't ask me how. I know it's all 1s and 0s etc

 

On a desktop it's less of an issue. My laptop was an HP. It's still going today and built like a tank but it's USB ports are awful.

 

My trust of USB ports is so bad now because of that laptop that I nearly always use a powered HUB. Using the DAC without one and so far so good.

 

I have noticed degraded sound when using too long of a USB cable (6 feet+) but let's not derail the thread with that...

 

EDIT:

 

BTW you know what's also stupid? I use a laptop hard drive on my laptop or blu-ray player with a 6" USB cable and it powers up just fine. I lose the original cable and try a longer one and it just clicks and not enough power to spin up! What the heck? I'm no technical guru but this is weird! One USB drive I have is so power hungry that it required two USB connections. It's only a laptop drive.

 

I think what I need to get is an internal USB CARD. I have a good motherboard too. MSI and not too old.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/21/13 at 4:58pm
post #904 of 1848

^^ This is why I only use toslink...dac to pc. 

post #905 of 1848
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post

^^ This is why I only use toslink...dac to pc. 

I have the opposite problem. The motherboard on my PC has a poor optical plug. Evern optical cable I tried had trouble seating correctly in it, and it would lose the connection. frown.gif
post #906 of 1848


WOW! This has been driving me bonkers. The Asgard2 would randomly sound really bad...

 

You wouldn't believe what i've had to do so far to get it to sound good..nearly all day back and forth.

 

First I thought it was a bad powered USB hub so I connected it straight to the computer. PERFECT! Fixed.

Bought a new RCA cable and then it sounded awful again. What the heck?

Tried another with good shielding. Fixed! Well..nope not really. Shielding maybe made it sound that way.

I tried to use those crappy cables I thought were the problem and it sounded GOOD!! Annoying..

 

So I move my USB cable up one row on the back of the PC. BINGO!

 

Want to know what it was? USB port too close to my ethernet jack that was in use!

Now fingers crossed this was 100% the problem. Both ports are USB 2.0. I need to block one off.

This is probably why my USB hub sounded broken.

 

Want to know what the Asgard2 sounded like with this issue?

 

Background details would almost magically go distant and sound like they had no weight to them. Like lifeless. What?! How?!

Mids really thin..no life to them. This is what gave me an impression of it sounding WAAAAY too relaxed and laid back.

Soundstage was really weird and imaging seemed off like I was struggling to pinpoint things.

Strangely the sound was smooth. Too smooth. Seemed like everything lacked clarity and detail.

 

So basically viewing Head-Fi ruined the sound of my Asgard2. :regular_smile : 

 

EDIT: What I don't get is that I swear I used the same port (next to ethernet jack) with my Micro Amp and no such issues. Maybe my Micro Amp filters crap better. Doubt it.

Maybe poor shielding on the cables used for the Asgard 2 made it worse.

 

I think this might be some serious competition for my favorite Micro Amp. The O2 was the closest i've come to matching that. The Micro (like the Asgard2) has smoother treble. The Asgard2 might even have smoother treble than even my Micro Amp.  I'm really a huge fanboy of that amp and wouldn't sell it for even $600 when they're sold out. Asgard 2 definitely sounds neutral. Really liking it's treble.

 

Using the modded Q701 and sounds good (when my DAC is not attached to a bad port!). Maybe i'll actually try the HD-650 on it tomorrow..

 

Basically the Asgard 2 just sounds like my Modi at the moment. Ugh, sorry guys. But the Modi is awesome so that's a good thing! You need a $250+ amp to really hear it at it's best!! Ok, maybe I made that up.  Not sure if I could pass a blind test between the Asgard 2 and Micro + upgraded PS (with the Q701). For the song I'm listening too right now I got all confused there for a second and thought I was listening to my other amp. Whoops. Both sound pretty transparent and musical :biggrin: 


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/21/13 at 10:25pm
post #907 of 1848

I'm assuming you're looping the same track over and over again when you're hearing these changes in SQ?

post #908 of 1848

The modi just didn't do anything for me. In fact the m/m combo sound thin and "metallic" to me. The A2 with uberfrost is superior in every way IMO. 

post #909 of 1848

Signing in with my Asgard 2 + Bifrost stack! :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing sound from this pair with my HD600. 

post #910 of 1848

Awesome and congrats!! That stack will pair really well with the Senn's. 

post #911 of 1848
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

The modi just didn't do anything for me. In fact the m/m combo sound thin and "metallic" to me. The A2 with uberfrost is superior in every way IMO. 

 

You should give it another chance sometime.

Yeah IMO that's coming from the Magni and not the Modi. The Modi doesn't really have such a sound to my ears. Not even close. I did hear that with the Magni. The Modi doesn't sound bright/thin at all and that's after maybe 6-8 months of use.

The only way I can get it to sound thinner is to compare it to my E17. E17 has a very subtle touch of warmth. The Modi/ODAC even seem more transparent than the O2 itself! Ok it sounds weird saying that!

 

When I compared the Modi to the ODAC with the Headroom Micro it's was incredibly hard for me to hear any difference at all. With that amp it's usually easy to hear DAC changes (if they have any coloration).

My brain kept saying "Oh, this ODAC sounds clearer" but then it could have been placebo. The difference was much smaller than the difference between the HRT MSII and ODAC. That was stupid easy to hear the differences there.

 

I think the Modi might really require a different/better amp than the Magni to hear it at it's best.

 

The only major thing that stuck out for me was that the Modi sounded like it had slightly better soundstage depth, but people tell me this is impossible! Or wait..they also say that the Modi is not transparent if there is a difference. Nonsense!

 

TL;DR:

 

Both the ODAC and Modi sound very transparent to me. Modi just sounded slightly better to me. The soundstage depth on the ODAC sounds weird at times. It felt like everything in the center position was coming from one single spot in front of me. Nearly always the same. Any change in distance was much harder to hear. Don't know what on earth was causing this and most would overlook it. Maybe the Modi has less treble (and bass) extension to make some things seem like they have more depth in the recording, but I doubt it.

 

To me they're both equally good and I'd be happy with either one. I'd maybe fail a blind test. Pretty sure of it unless I tested these things. I got the same results with all my headphones.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/22/13 at 11:39am
post #912 of 1848
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Originally Posted by TMRaven View Post
 

I'm assuming you're looping the same track over and over again when you're hearing these changes in SQ?

 

Yep..mostly with tracks that have a large soundstage and some recordings that are fairly warm.

The biggest difference is when I listen to the Buena Vista Social Club CD.

I have maybe a playlist of a few dozens tracks i've memorized so I can test things.

 

With the "bad" USB port that whole CD is just thin and lifeless.

I wanted to think that this was normal but it's definitely not. Sounds really bad and makes me not like the Asgard 2 at all.

 

I actually don't know if the port is really bad or if it's caused by some sort of interference from the ethernet jack or poor shielding.

Maybe it's just a combo of poor shielding on the USB and RCA cables that make it so bad.

 

I ordered some Monoprice USB cables with a ferrite core and will get a USB card. Right now it's sounding great so I don't want to make it worse again!

 

What I should do is swap USB cables again on the bad port and see if it's caused by poor USB shielding. Would be interesting. Hardly seems possible!

 

Maybe it improves when the ethernet jack is not in use :biggrin:

post #913 of 1848

I have only heard the m/m stack together, but I have heard several times now. I suggested it for a friend who was just getting started and had a limited budget. He comes over from time to time and we will spend some time switching back and forth. I think that the m/m stack is pretty good for the money but I always come away feeling that it just sound "pretty good." 

 

I need to try the modi with the lyr or A2 and see what kind of results that I can get. 

post #914 of 1848
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Originally Posted by MattTCG View Post
 

I have only heard the m/m stack together, but I have heard several times now. I suggested it for a friend who was just getting started and had a limited budget. He comes over from time to time and we will spend some time switching back and forth. I think that the m/m stack is pretty good for the money but I always come away feeling that it just sound "pretty good." 

 

I need to try the modi with the lyr or A2 and see what kind of results that I can get. 

 

I would like to try the ODAC again. Honestly sometimes it's hard to really know an amp or DACs true sound until i've used it for at least 6 months. I did maybe a few hours of ODAC/Modi comparisons. It was so tough!

It took me quite a long time to figure out the Magni and my Micro Amp. For the longest time I kept describing my Micro Amps "sound" when it was just my DAC's colorations (HRT MSII). I learned my lesson there.  :biggrin:

 

Right now I suggest the O2+Modi to people. Sounds weird and an ugly combo but I like it. O2 still seems like it has a hint of brightness in the treble (barely audible) with the Q701 but some said it might be due to a weaker wall wart. Doubt it.

Not really a fan of the Magni with the Q701 for some reason. It wasn't terrible and kind of OK sometimes. I'd probably use that combo with a warmer source like the E17. O2 sounds smoother than the Magni, but the Micro/Asgard 2 is even better!

 

Actually I have zero problems suggesting the Magni for a Sennheiser or whatever. I know some love it with brighter headphones but I'm just too dang picky.

 

Despite it being somewhat colored I still like the Fiio E9! You can even find that for sometimes around $75. I don't know why but hearing DAC changes on that thing is a million times harder than it is on my Micro Amp (and probably the O2/Asgard2)

post #915 of 1848

FYI if anyone is curious my issues were definitely caused by some sort of interference.

I used the same bad port with a better shielded USB cable (it's VERY heavy and thick and has foil shielding) with two large ferrite beads and it was perfect. I also had to use better shielded interconnect cables (don't know if that helped).

 

I then tried my older Belkin cable and attached two ferrite beads and it sounded a little better but not really sure. That could be my brain imagining things.

 

So I need to plug my DAC into the USB port that's furthest away from the ethernet jack.

For best results I also need a really well shielded USB and RCA cable.

 

This is crazy...I wonder what it is that's causing that? My computer's power supply is really good.

 

I hear no noise from the Asgard 2 when play is stopped.

 

After I removed those ferrite beads from the USB cable (I don't even know if they would actually do anything if they're attached to the outside?) it seemed to be fine for a few minutes and then later got worse without changes.

 

So all those issues were a random occurrence when connected to the port closest to the Ethernet jack.

 

Pretty cool how I can hear all these things with the Modi and Asgard 2.

 

BTW I never knew how huge of an effect such noise/interference could have on sound quality! Pretty amazing. Seems I learned something new today. Still wish I knew why I don't hear it on my other amp.

 

EDIT:

 

Ugh..guess it's back to a powered USB hub maybe until I get a USB card. Whenever I crank the Asgard 2 up high I can hear static when I scroll up and down in Windows :frown: Has to be at like 70% volume though.

I guess my PC is a noise monster.

 

Removed $4 GE RCA cables and noise was reduced a little but still not good enough.

 

This is what I used to be 100% noise/interference free on any volume level with the Q701, Modi and Asgard2:

 

Powered USB port hub with it attached to port furthest away from ethernet jack. Thick clear USB cables with two ferrite beads and metal shielding. I don't trust ferrite beads on USB for some reason.

$9 Ge Ultra Pro RCA cables with metal shielding (they're clear so you can see it). Monoprice ones have good shielding too. Don't get the thinner car audio version. The shielding is much worse.

 

The PC is not some random piece of junk so I'm surprised about all this.

 

Kind of like how some amps find faults in my setup even if it's small. The O2, Micro and Asgard 2 did this. The Asgard 2 seems to suffer the most from noise/interference.  I had that problem with the Magni too. Asgard 2 supposedly has tons of noise filtering.


Edited by tdockweiler - 9/22/13 at 1:03pm
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