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post #856 of 1942
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Originally Posted by wahsmoh View Post

I have to agree with Jason. I have my Asgard 2 paired with an Uberfrost and I'm running re-cabled DT880s to my Schiit. My DT880s used to sound thin and bright like many people suggest when they are underamped since I used to run them from a soundcard. They have much fuller mid-bass, slightly than warmer than neutral tonality, extremely detailed and well imaged highs, and plenty of air and instrument separation.

 

Let's just say my DT880s don't sound like the cans that they used to be. They have huge bass impact that really digs deep for a set of open cans. Asgard 2 and Uberfrost fixed all the problems that I used to have with my DT880s.

Let me remind you that I have burned them in for over 500 hours.

 

Thank you Jason and the rest at Schiit for bringing me an end-game solution under $1000. Truly, you must hear it to believe it before you base your options off of some people's opinions.

Noob question: What exactly does the Uber upgrade for the Bifrost do?

post #857 of 1942
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Originally Posted by KennethRoberts View Post

Noob question: What exactly does the Uber upgrade for the Bifrost do?

 

Improved analogue output stage. From what I heard from my friend upgrading... overall cleaner sound, better resolution.

 

http://schiit.com/cart/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=0&products_id=19

post #858 of 1942

Hey , I wanted to know if the asgard + modi will do well with my Heir Audio 4.Ai (25 ohm I think) ?

First I thought I'll get the modi + magni but x5 gain on the magni will be too much. Beside the asgard seems very good

 

P.S : this is going to be my first amp/dac and maybe i'll change the dac in the future

 

 Thx


Edited by vl4dimir - 8/17/13 at 1:53am
post #859 of 1942
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Originally Posted by vl4dimir View Post

Hey , I wanted to know if the asgard + modi will do well with my Heir Audio 4.Ai (25 ohm I think) ?

First I thought I'll get the modi + magni but x5 gain on the magni will be too much. Beside the asgard seems very good

 

P.S : this is going to be my first amp/dac and maybe i'll change the dac in the future

 

 Thx


Like the Magni, the Asgard is a lot of amp for IEMs. The selectable gain on the v2 Asgard will help; however, the IEMs don't need anywhere close to the 1W of power---even most full size headphones will be painfully loud with Asgard maxed out.

 

Why don't you look into the O2 amplifier. You can pair it with the Modi (which I think is an excellent DAC) for a $230 set up that can power almost any headphone, but without the risk of melting your IEMs if you bump the volume knob.

 

The O2 would give you selectable gain and a low noise floor which would be excellent for your IEMs.

 

The extra $120 you save you could put toward more music, a new pair of headphones, etc..

 

Like the Magni, the Asgard will work with IEMs, although IEMs are not the primary design application. You have to ask yourself what exactly you want---if you want the best amplifier for your IEMs, then the high powered amps built for orthos aren't your first choice. If you want an amp for pushing a pair of HE-500s in the future, then Magni, Asgard 2 (high gain), or O2 (high gain) would all be excellent choices for your first setup.

 

Cheers!


Edited by ab initio - 8/17/13 at 8:38pm
post #860 of 1942
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Originally Posted by techboy View Post

 

Which has a crisper, more transparent and cleaner/clearer sound between Lyr and A2?

 

The Lyr with the very best tubes can resolve better than the A2. It can be quite an effort to find the right tubes tho. In general if you want clarity I would stick with the A2.

post #861 of 1942
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Originally Posted by ab initio View Post


Like the Magni, the Asgard is a lot of amp for IEMs. The selectable gain on the v2 Asgard will help; however, the IEMs don't need anywhere close to the 1W of power---even most full size headphones will be painfully loud with Asgard maxed out.

 

Like the Magni, the Asgard will work with IEMs, although IEMs are not the primary design application. You have to ask yourself what exactly you want---if you want the best amplifier for your IEMs, then the high powered amps built for orthos aren't your first choice. 

 

Cheers!

 

Hey all,

 

Just to clear this up: actually, Asgard 2 is an *exceptional* IEM amp. With a low gain of 1.5 and a much, much better volume pot (in terms of both low-level tracking and more gradual taper), you have tons of control for IEMs, as well as a dead-quiet noise floor. It's not "the low gain will help," it's "the low gain was designed almost specifically for IEMs."

 

And, as an added bonus, you have the power when you need it for less efficient headphones, as well as preamp outs if you want to add desktop powered monitors or drive a speaker amp. Asgard 2 is really a do-all amp. It's not just a high-power amp, it's not just an "ortho amp," it is perfect for a full range of headphones, from IEMs to orthos.

 

Go ahead. Try it yourself--and I bet you'll find that Asgard 2 offers even better IEM performance in terms of volume pot range and low-level tracking than any amp using small volume pots such as found in Magni. You simply can't get the same gradual taper and low-level tracking on a 9mm pot as a 25mm pot. 

 

Not trying to be combative; just giving it to you from the designers' perspective.

 

All the best,

Jason

post #862 of 1942
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Originally Posted by Jason Stoddard View Post

Hey all,

Just to clear this up: actually, Asgard 2 is an *exceptional* IEM amp. With a low gain of 1.5 and a much, much better volume pot (in terms of both low-level tracking and more gradual taper), you have tons of control for IEMs, as well as a dead-quiet noise floor. It's not "the low gain will help," it's "the low gain was designed almost specifically for IEMs."

And, as an added bonus, you have the power when you need it for less efficient headphones, as well as preamp outs if you want to add desktop powered monitors or drive a speaker amp. Asgard 2 is really a do-all amp. It's not just a high-power amp, it's not just an "ortho amp," it is perfect for a full range of headphones, from IEMs to orthos.

Go ahead. Try it yourself--and I bet you'll find that Asgard 2 offers even better IEM performance in terms of volume pot range and low-level tracking than any amp using small volume pots such as found in Magni. You simply can't get the same gradual taper and low-level tracking on a 9mm pot as a 25mm pot. 

Not trying to be combative; just giving it to you from the designers' perspective.

All the best,
Jason

This would be the best source of information!
Thanks for clearing this up.


Cheers!
post #863 of 1942
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Originally Posted by ab initio View Post


Like the Magni, the Asgard is a lot of amp for IEMs. The selectable gain on the v2 Asgard will help; however, the IEMs don't need anywhere close to the 1W of power---even most full size headphones will be painfully loud with Asgard maxed out.

 

Why don't you look into the O2 amplifier. You can pair it with the Modi (which I think is an excellent DAC) for a $230 set up that can power almost any headphone, but without the risk of melting your IEMs if you bump the volume knob.

 

The O2 would give you selectable gain and a low noise floor which would be excellent for your IEMs.

 

The extra $120 you save you could put toward more music, a new pair of headphones, etc..

 

Like the Magni, the Asgard will work with IEMs, although IEMs are not the primary design application. You have to ask yourself what exactly you want---if you want the best amplifier for your IEMs, then the high powered amps built for orthos aren't your first choice. If you want an amp for pushing a pair of HE-500s in the future, then Magni, Asgard 2 (high gain), or O2 (high gain) would all be excellent choices for your first setup.

 

Cheers!

 

Well I'm reading tones of good review about the O2/ODAC... the problem is even if we talk about sound , for me the design is important.. so that's why I'm interested in Schiit. But in the end the sound will have the last world & everywhere I ask this question I receive different answers..so I'm still confused.

post #864 of 1942
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Originally Posted by vl4dimir View Post

 

Well I'm reading tones of good review about the O2/ODAC... the problem is even if we talk about sound , for me the design is important.. so that's why I'm interested in Schiit. But in the end the sound will have the last world & everywhere I ask this question I receive different answers..so I'm still confused.

 

vl4dimir,

 

About 8 months ago I was in the same boat:  O2/ODAC looked very attractive for the price, quality capability, but when comparing to a BiFrost Uber + Asgard2 

felt the Schiit was a much better "long term" purchase.

Why?

 

I'll let the experts compare clear/transparent audio qualities, but if I re-read the specs:

 

1.  Asgard2 has higher output possible 1W compared to 612mW of the O2.

this is important if you end up purchasing non IEM headphones with higher resistance or power requirements.

thus, my HE-500s are being driven very well by Asgard2.  O2 likely a bit underpowered for the HE-500s.

that being said, Asgard2 on low gain is still perfect for IEMs IMHO.  

 

2.  wanted 1/4 headphone jack and not mini 3.5mm jack of the O2.

 

3.  wanted upgradability and a long warranty.  BiFrost and Asgard2 has BOTH in spades.

 

4.  wanted more inputs than USB.  BiFrost big win there.

 

5.  wanted pre-amp for potential near-file audio monitor speakers one day.  Asgard2 bingo, RCA audio out.

 

Summary:

Your features (now and future) might be different, but

I didn't want to buy the O2/ODAC only to upgrade "a few months later" for the features above, hence I went all in and will be using the BiFrost Uber + Asgard2 for years with little musical interruption.

Well, at least until Jason pulls another affordable audio rabbit out of his top hat!

 

Good Luck!

post #865 of 1942
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Originally Posted by jexby View Post

 

vl4dimir,

 

About 8 months ago I was in the same boat:  O2/ODAC looked very attractive for the price, quality capability, but when comparing to a BiFrost Uber + Asgard2 

felt the Schiit was a much better "long term" purchase.

Why?

 

I'll let the experts compare clear/transparent audio qualities, but if I re-read the specs:

 

1.  Asgard2 has higher output possible 1W compared to 612mW of the O2.

this is important if you end up purchasing non IEM headphones with higher resistance or power requirements.

thus, my HE-500s are being driven very well by Asgard2.  O2 likely a bit underpowered for the HE-500s.

that being said, Asgard2 on low gain is still perfect for IEMs IMHO.  

 

2.  wanted 1/4 headphone jack and not mini 3.5mm jack of the O2.

 

3.  wanted upgradability and a long warranty.  BiFrost and Asgard2 has BOTH in spades.

 

4.  wanted more inputs than USB.  BiFrost big win there.

 

5.  wanted pre-amp for potential near-file audio monitor speakers one day.  Asgard2 bingo, RCA audio out.

 

Summary:

Your features (now and future) might be different, but

I didn't want to buy the O2/ODAC only to upgrade "a few months later" for the features above, hence I went all in and will be using the BiFrost Uber + Asgard2 for years with little musical interruption.

Well, at least until Jason pulls another affordable audio rabbit out of his top hat!

 

Good Luck!

 

Thank you so much , this is all I wanted to hear. I want to buy something for several years & later I'll buy the HE-500 or LCD-2.. So now I'm going to buy the Asgard 2 + Modi and the Bifrost later (University is coming soon , need money)   

post #866 of 1942
Just picked up a used Asgard 2 this week from another head-fier to replace my O2. This is a great headphone amp.

I do like the sound a little better than the O2 (using an ODAC), and it definitely has more headroom. biggrin.gif

I also like the larger volume knob and headphone jack; the O2 controls and plugs feel so cramped. Downside is that I do wish the power button was on the front. I know people like the cleaner look, but I favor usability. If the power switch is going to be on the back, I prefer the black plastic switches like Audio-GD uses on their NFB model. It's a little easier to feel/find on the back.

I'm also using the pre-amp out with an Indeed TA2021 t-amp and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE speakers. Seems like because the pre-amp is analog, it is warming up the sound a little. It's nice. However, it also appears to be consuming a lot of power in pre-amp out mode. Still gets warm. Sort of detracts from the energy efficiency of the t-amp. LOL
post #867 of 1942
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Originally Posted by vl4dimir View Post

Well I'm reading tones of good reviews ebout the O2/ODAC... the problem is even if we talk about sound , for me the design is important.. so that's why I'm interested in Schiit. But in the end the sound will have the last world & everywhere I ask this question I receive different answers..so I'm still confused.

Yes, i agree with you. I choose magni over o2 because it has fantastic performance, is built in a far nicer chassis, and seems like a much better value with a lower price tag. When schiit meets or exceeds the competition in every area, the choice is obvious.

I only brought up o2 because you seemed certain that magni wouldnt work for you and i thought you might like to know of a similar option around the sane price point. If youve got the means to go for the asgard, then that seems like a solid choice.

If i wasnt on a strict budget, i would have gone asgard as well for the extra functionality and excellent solid state hifi reproduction.

That said, i think magni is a heck of an amplifier if you simply need rca->any headphone not called HE-6

Cheers
post #868 of 1942
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

Just picked up a used Asgard 2 this week from another head-fier to replace my O2. This is a great headphone amp.

I do like the sound a little better than the O2 (using an ODAC), and it definitely has more headroom. biggrin.gif

I also like the larger volume knob and headphone jack; the O2 controls and plugs feel so cramped. Downside is that I do wish the power button was on the front. I know people like the cleaner look, but I favor usability. If the power switch is going to be on the back, I prefer the black plastic switches like Audio-GD uses on their NFB model. It's a little easier to feel/find on the back.

I'm also using the pre-amp out with an Indeed TA2021 t-amp and Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE speakers. Seems like because the pre-amp is analog, it is warming up the sound a little. It's nice. However, it also appears to be consuming a lot of power in pre-amp out mode. Still gets warm. Sort of detracts from the energy efficiency of the t-amp. LOL

 

Wait no Ascend plug? hah j/k welcome to the club bud, I got mine a month ago and am loving it.  You can use it as a space heater!

post #869 of 1942
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Originally Posted by Byrnie View Post

Wait no Ascend plug? hah j/k welcome to the club bud, I got mine a month ago and am loving it.  You can use it as a space heater!

I might try "turning up the heat" some more by getting an Emotiva mini-x a-100 and see how the SQ compares with the Indeed t-amp biggrin.gif

BTW: I have to keep mentioning the Ascends. One day the active-speaker-as-FOTY will be over and people will realize that driver and tweeter quality trump active crossovers and bi-amping wink.gif
post #870 of 1942
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post


I might try "turning up the heat" some more by getting an Emotiva mini-x a-100 and see how the SQ compares with the Indeed t-amp biggrin.gif

BTW: I have to keep mentioning the Ascends. One day the active-speaker-as-FOTY will be over and people will realize that driver and tweeter quality trump active crossovers and bi-amping wink.gif

Nice and yea i'm just giving you a hard time, bud :D.  What cans are you using with your Asgard 2?

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