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post #1666 of 1934
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Originally Posted by KLJTech View Post
 

It made enough of an improvement in sound quality that it got my attention right away even though I was listening mainly just for background music. I had zero expectations beyond what I'd already heard from the W40's and that I'd be more comfortable without headphones sitting on my head.

 

The thing is I was working at the time (it was getting late) and I was tired of wearing headphones so I put in my W40's and plugged them in and got back to work yet the sound I was now hearing was distracting. I'm not saying that the Westone W40's are the greatest thing since sliced bread, simply that "I thought" I had already heard all they had had to offer until plugging them into the A2 and I was surprised by the improvement. To me this is a good thing, this tells me that the W40's are capable of more than had thought they were.

 

I wasn't excepting the C5's to sound better than the W40's...I like B&W speakers a lot and I really enjoy their P7's and I've never had the chance to hear the C5's. 

If you Y connected the E12 and Asgard 2 from the same source and used an A/B switch to compare after carefully matching the volume of both amps, you might be shocked at the outcome. I don't have W40's but I do have both Amps and an A/B switch. I just might do that this weekend.

post #1667 of 1934

That test would shock a lot of people with a lot of different components.

post #1668 of 1934
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

If you Y connected the E12 and Asgard 2 from the same source and used an A/B switch to compare after carefully matching the volume of both amps, you might be shocked at the outcome. I don't have W40's but I do have both Amps and an A/B switch. I just might do that this weekend.

 

I'm curious to see what your finding are. I like the E12 a lot, its my primary portable amp...I don't know that its the equal of the Asgard 2 but its certainly a great amp for the money. Of course, the DAC is rather important here too, I enjoy the FiiO X3 (my primary DAP) but I don't know that anyone claims that its on par with the Gungnir or the Bryston BDA-1. Low price digital is getting pretty damn good. 

 

Anyway, I was simply saying that I was surprised by the level of sound quality I was getting from the W40's by plugging them into the office setup after thinking I had a handle on what they were capable of. The post I was responding to commented that the C5's and/or IEM's didn't seem to improve much from being used with home audio gear. Maybe in most case he's correct, I don't know, I simply know that the W40's sounded noticeably better from my office setup than from my portable setup. I don't think that's too outlandish a statement.

 

I think ones state of mind when they're listening matters as well, I was working and NOT listening for an improvement from my IEM's but they certainly got my attention. I look forward to your findings with the A/B switch and both amps. Take care. 

post #1669 of 1934

I've had the C5s for 3 years. I was going through a pair of earbuds every 3-6 months (cable rips, earbud died, etc.) and the apple store has always been great at offering a return. The build quality of the C5s is incredible. For the price, the sound quality is mediocre, but better than anything I've ever heard for IEMs (which isn't much). I would've described it at the best sounding earbuds out there until I got my DT 990s and other home components. I think the C5s are amazing to just use with your iPhone and no DAC or amp, because I think that's what they're meant for. So if that's what you're buying them for then I strongly recommend them. I use double flanged tips from a third party, so I would recommend trying third party tips. The fit with them is hit and miss, but if you get them to fit then you'll like them. When I'm out and about I wouldn't hear the difference anyway due to external noise and not fully focusing on music, so I couldn't justify spending anymore on IEMs anyway since I wouldn't get any benefit. At home I like the comfort of full size headphones, so the C5s are my portable pair. They are great for this in my opinion, and if you are looking for something similar I think you'll be pleased. The most amazing thing about them is the soundstage, I just wasn't getting as good of one with other earbuds. Although I'm sure the Westones blow the C5s out of the water. But I've never heard the Westones so I can't compare them. Just don't buy the C5s expecting to use them with home equipment and be amazed, because at the price point they're at I don't think they are designed for that.

 

I hope that helps, if you have any other questions about them feel free to ask. 

post #1670 of 1934
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Originally Posted by KLJTech View Post
 

 

I'm curious to see what your finding are. I like the E12 a lot, its my primary portable amp...I don't know that its the equal of the Asgard 2 but its certainly a great amp for the money. Of course, the DAC is rather important here too, I enjoy the FiiO X3 (my primary DAP) but I don't know that anyone claims that its on par with the Gungnir or the Bryston BDA-1. Low price digital is getting pretty damn good. 

 

Anyway, I was simply saying that I was surprised by the level of sound quality I was getting from the W40's by plugging them into the office setup after thinking I had a handle on what they were capable of. The post I was responding to commented that the C5's and/or IEM's didn't seem to improve much from being used with home audio gear. Maybe in most case he's correct, I don't know, I simply know that the W40's sounded noticeably better from my office setup than from my portable setup. I don't think that's too outlandish a statement.

 

I think ones state of mind when they're listening matters as well, I was working and NOT listening for an improvement from my IEM's but they certainly got my attention. I look forward to your findings with the A/B switch and both amps. Take care. 

I just gave it a quick shot, ahh the temptation. I used my HE-500's which need some measure of power. I had my Asgard 2 on high gain with the volume at 11 O'Clock, which is a touch on the loud side for most people. I volume matched the E12. I did a quick listen with the choral in Beethoven's 9th 4th movement and some fusion jazz.

Damn E12 sounded great. I'll have to listen more carefully when I have some more time to see how it handles peak dynamics. Flipping the switch didn't reveal any differences and I really like that Asgard 2. I've been A/B comparing all sorts of amps and I'm begining to feel that this field is overloaded with excessive imagination. There are amps that sound like crap but those a poorly designed and not a good representation of the field at large.

I didn't compare the noise with sensitive IEMs or SQ with higher impedance cans like my HD600's, I'll have to listen more carefully for IM and TIM (Transient Intermodulation Distortion) but so far the damn thing works better than anyone might expect. Contrary to what some folks say about soundstage limitations, that didn't pan out, but I will listen more carefully to be more certain of this The HE-500's require more power than most typical headphones and the E12 did a good job of it. If one tries an HE-6, neither amp can really deliver enough power, but that's in a smaller field of power hungry cans.

It is vital to match volume very carefull or else one will hear differences due to the way we perceive FR at different volumes (Fletcher-Munson). Fail to match it one wrong way and you might think the E12 sounds better.

post #1671 of 1934
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Originally Posted by jeremy205100 View Post
 

I've had the C5s for 3 years. I was going through a pair of earbuds every 3-6 months (cable rips, earbud died, etc.) and the apple store has always been great at offering a return. The build quality of the C5s is incredible. For the price, the sound quality is mediocre, but better than anything I've ever heard for IEMs (which isn't much). I would've described it at the best sounding earbuds out there until I got my DT 990s and other home components. I think the C5s are amazing to just use with your iPhone and no DAC or amp, because I think that's what they're meant for. So if that's what you're buying them for then I strongly recommend them. I use double flanged tips from a third party, so I would recommend trying third party tips. The fit with them is hit and miss, but if you get them to fit then you'll like them. When I'm out and about I wouldn't hear the difference anyway due to external noise and not fully focusing on music, so I couldn't justify spending anymore on IEMs anyway since I wouldn't get any benefit. At home I like the comfort of full size headphones, so the C5s are my portable pair. They are great for this in my opinion, and if you are looking for something similar I think you'll be pleased. The most amazing thing about them is the soundstage, I just wasn't getting as good of one with other earbuds. Although I'm sure the Westones blow the C5s out of the water. But I've never heard the Westones so I can't compare them. Just don't buy the C5s expecting to use them with home equipment and be amazed, because at the price point they're at I don't think they are designed for that.

 

I hope that helps, if you have any other questions about them feel free to ask. 

 

Thanks for the insight, I'd read that they image really well and some find the way they fit with the loop resting on the inner ridge of the ear very comfortable. I almost picked up a pair a few weeks ago at Best Buy, but my son dragged me off to see something else and I forgot all about it. I seldom plug my IEM's into my office or home gear, most of the time when I'm on the go I use the Klipsch X-10's and listen to audiobooks...can't have music playing ALL the time..almost but not always. Thanks.

post #1672 of 1934

Agree that the E12 will shock many people. I also have the E12 and with my NAD HP50 even 320kb files sound damn good, damn good. And that is with my Blackberry as the source!

post #1673 of 1934
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 

Agree that the E12 will shock many people. I also have the E12 and with my NAD HP50 even 320kb files sound damn good, damn good. And that is with my Blackberry as the source!

Yep, the thing is a steal and the build quality is rather good. Some folks will find it hard to admit, they should get an A/B switch and try for themselves.

post #1674 of 1934

Question. I usually connect my Asgard-2 into an integrated Amp with DAC. I listen to both CD's and digital music through my amp which has digital and analog inputs. I know a lot of folks probably listen to a computer set up, but I listen to a dedicated stereos rig. Since I'm going through my stereo integrated amp, I'm wondering which amp (the Asgard or the stereo amp) is really taking care of the amplification. If I go stereo amp to A-2 am I really just listening to the stereo amp?

 

I can also go A--2 to CD player, but then I have switch back to my integrated amp if I want to stream digital music. And, theoretically, the integrated amp has a higher end DAC than my CDP.

 

Any thoughts?

post #1675 of 1934
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 

I can also go A--2 to CD player, but then I have switch back to my integrated amp if I want to stream digital music. And, theoretically, the integrated amp has a higher end DAC than my CDP.

 

If you're using the line outs on your integrated (basically the DAC's output), then the amplification is done by Asgard 2.

 

I wouldn't be so sure about the better DAC in an amp, rather than CDP, though.

post #1676 of 1934

How are you connecting the A2 to your integrated amp?

post #1677 of 1934
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

How are you connecting the A2 to your integrated amp?


RCA cable input (A2) to pre out on integrated amp.

 

My comment about the better DAC in the amp......the CDP is a decent, but entry level CDP (just under $200) whereas the amp (Rotel Ra-12) is market with a "high performance stereo DAC" . Of course, that's just marketing, but I've always assumed the Rotel integrated amp's DAC was superior in the amp-given it's price point. They make a point of highlighting the DAC in their advertising.

post #1678 of 1934
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Originally Posted by markm1 View Post
 

RCA cable input (A2) to pre out on integrated amp.

 

Not sure pre out is the same as line out.. Probably not. So what happens, when you control the volume on your Rotel?

post #1679 of 1934
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Originally Posted by madwolfa View Post
 

 

Not sure pre out is the same as line out.. Probably not. So what happens, when you control the volume on your Rotel?


I switch the speaker off on the Rotel, and listen thru the A-2. But, I can control the volume when listening to HP's by using the rotel and/or the A2.

post #1680 of 1934

So with your pre outs on the integrated amp, are they controlled by their own volume knob or fixed?

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