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post #1651 of 1962
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You can find some great details provided by my bud Thurston on the link below. You can probably PM him, nice guy, even if he needs a shave (see his avatar). He can probably give you links to other posts with further information on where to buy materials. There will be no improvements in SQ, unless you really want to believe in it. By keeping separate ground wires all the way to the plug you will avoid loss of separation by using an extension cable. Like I said, if your cans are high impedance this is not such a big deal.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/551345/hifiman-he-500-he-as-in-high-end-proving-to-be-an-enjoyable-experience-in-listening/12780#post_10324197

 

Thanks, my cans are low impedance (NAD HP50s) so that is a small concern. I will be hopefully finding somebody willing to do the work as I don't mind paying for it. I don't own any soldering equipment and frankly with how nuts my life is, even a modest project isn't for me right now. Thanks again.

post #1652 of 1962
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Originally Posted by Sonic Defender View Post
 

 

Thanks, my cans are low impedance (NAD HP50s) so that is a small concern. I will be hopefully finding somebody willing to do the work as I don't mind paying for it. I don't own any soldering equipment and frankly with how nuts my life is, even a modest project isn't for me right now. Thanks again.

I see you have a FiiO E12. How do you like it? I find mine to exceed expectations. Maybe one day Schitt wil make a small portable DAC/Amp. I wonder what they'd call it? "Little Schiit?"


Edited by StanD - 5/31/14 at 12:36pm
post #1653 of 1962

So I have always been skeptical of using IEMs with any home audio equipment, and 1/8 to 1/4 adapters seem dubious to me at best. Last night I tried my Bowers & Wilkins  C5s (only really use them with my iPhone) with my Asgard 2. I tried two separate adapters and got the sense that the connection wasn't right because the sound was shallow and quiet. Even after turning the volume pot to 2 on low gain I couldn't hear much, and the sound I did hear had no bass or highs. I don't know why they weren't connecting properly, especially since I tried two adapters.

 

Of note is that this was with that CD player that was giving me trouble and making me put the volume at 3-4 for my DT 990s. I will try again with my computer tonight and see if the IEMs work as they should. Does anyone have any idea if I was doing something wrong?

 

This CD player is a real trouble maker. You can adjust the output level, even for the optical out. Wouldn't this require the use of an amplifier inside the CD player? If so, this would be double amping and reduce the sound quality, so why would Yamaha do it? 

 

Thanks for any help, it's nice to see so many fellow enthusiasts on here.

post #1654 of 1962
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

I see you have a FiiO E12. How do you like it? I find mine to exceed expectations. Maybe one day Schitt wil make a small portable DAC/Amp. I wonder what they'd call it? "Little Schiit?"

 

I really like the E12. I found it to be a huge step up from the E11 which I used as my portable amp with my now departed DT770. I would love if Schiit ventured into portable gear. Yes, "Little Schiit" seems apt, I like that., good call.

post #1655 of 1962
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I really like the E12. I found it to be a huge step up from the E11 which I used as my portable amp with my now departed DT770. I would love if Schiit ventured into portable gear. Yes, "Little Schiit" seems apt, I like that., good call.

I felt the same way about the E11 vs. E12. I'm collecting a load of Schitt, what the heck, let's get some more.

post #1656 of 1962

An update to my previous post:

 

Apparently the issue was with the adapters. You apparently need to loosen it a tiny bit from all the way in. The Asgard 2 performs excellently with the IEMs, although there isn't really a sound difference. The C5s weren't designed for this kind of use.

post #1657 of 1962

Now I wonder how Asgard 2 would compare to Valhalla 2 with cans like HD650... It now looks as close to SS spec-wise as ever, including the output impedance. Impressive engineering by Schiit!

post #1658 of 1962
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Now I wonder how Asgard 2 would compare to Valhalla 2 with cans like HD650... It now looks as close to SS spec-wise as ever, including the output impedance. Impressive engineering by Schiit!

If the Valhalla 2's THD specs are so low, then will it have the tube sound that some seek if there is no added even order HD?

post #1659 of 1962
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If the Valhalla 2's THD specs are so low, then will it have the tube sound that some seek if there is no added even order HD?

 

I have already raised exactly that question in Sound Science subforum (after a hot debate in HD650 appreciation thread, where it quickly went downhill)!

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/721500/how-is-tube-sound-even-audible-in-modern-headphone-amps

post #1660 of 1962
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

If the Valhalla 2's THD specs are so low, then will it have the tube sound that some seek if there is no added even order HD?

 

 

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I have already raised exactly that question in Sound Science subforum (after a hot debate in HD650 appreciation thread, where it quickly went downhill)!

 

http://www.head-fi.org/t/721500/how-is-tube-sound-even-audible-in-modern-headphone-amps

In they eyes of the religious sect of tubes, we are heretics. I can live with that. I think that I'll keep with my Asgard 2.


Edited by StanD - 6/4/14 at 1:01pm
post #1661 of 1962
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In they eyes of the religious sect of tubes, we are heretics. I can live with that. I trhink that I'll keep with my Asgard 2.

 

Time to release 5% THD tube amp with $2K price tag! :tongue: 

 

No kidding.


Edited by madwolfa - 6/2/14 at 8:07pm
post #1662 of 1962
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Time to release 5% THD tube amp with $2K price tag! :tongue: 

 

No kidding.

That'll sell like scathotcakes, only Schiit won't make it.

post #1663 of 1962
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Originally Posted by jeremy205100 View Post
 

An update to my previous post:

 

Apparently the issue was with the adapters. You apparently need to loosen it a tiny bit from all the way in. The Asgard 2 performs excellently with the IEMs, although there isn't really a sound difference. The C5s weren't designed for this kind of use.

 

Are you saying that the B&W C5's don't really benefit from using a home headphone amp or most IEM's in general won't benefit?

 

The reason I ask is because I plugged my Westone W40's into the Asgard 2 a couple nights ago (can't recall if the DAC was the Gungnir or Bryston BDA-1...Gungnir I think) and I was surprised how much better the W40's sound from that setup than from my E12 and X3 playing the exact same music files (FLAC and WAV only...about half of which are 24/96 and 24/192). I do realize the money difference between the portable and home setup, but I thought the W40's were close to maxed out on sound quality via the FiiO X3 and E12 but I was wrong. They certainly did significantly better with the nicer DAC and amp.

 

Anyway, I've had my eye on the C5's after seeing them at my local Best Buy and have thought about picking up a pair. At their price do you find them to be a good deal? Thanks.

post #1664 of 1962
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Originally Posted by KLJTech View Post
 

 

Are you saying that the B&W C5's don't really benefit from using a home headphone amp or most IEM's in general won't benefit?

 

The reason I ask is because I plugged my Westone W40's into the Asgard 2 a couple nights ago (can't recall if the DAC was the Gungnir or Bryston BDA-1...Gungnir I think) and I was surprised how much better the W40's sound from that setup than from my E12 and X3 playing the exact same music files (FLAC and WAV only...about half of which are 24/96 and 24/192). I do realize the money difference between the portable and home setup, but I thought the W40's were close to maxed out on sound quality via the FiiO X3 and E12 but I was wrong. They certainly did significantly better with the nicer DAC and amp.

 

Anyway, I've had my eye on the C5's after seeing them at my local Best Buy and have thought about picking up a pair. At their price do you find them to be a good deal? Thanks.

Are you sure that the difference was "much better" or somewhat better. Beware of expectaion bias and or test conditions.

What are you expecting to get from the C5s that your W40's aren't delivering? Aren't the W40's in a whole other/better league?

post #1665 of 1962

It made enough of an improvement in sound quality that it got my attention right away even though I was listening mainly just for background music. I had zero expectations beyond what I'd already heard from the W40's and that I'd be more comfortable without headphones sitting on my head.

 

The thing is I was working at the time (it was getting late) and I was tired of wearing headphones so I put in my W40's and plugged them in and got back to work yet the sound I was now hearing was distracting. I'm not saying that the Westone W40's are the greatest thing since sliced bread, simply that "I thought" I had already heard all they had had to offer until plugging them into the A2 and I was surprised by the improvement. To me this is a good thing, this tells me that the W40's are capable of more than had thought they were.

 

I wasn't excepting the C5's to sound better than the W40's...I like B&W speakers a lot and I really enjoy their P7's and I've never had the chance to hear the C5's. 

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