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post #1231 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

How many Watts do you think the Emo Mini will deliver to the HE-500's?

 

 

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Originally Posted by blasjw View Post
 

 

About 10.5 W/ch. RMS with no added resistors.

That's about right, not the 50 Watts that most people might think. Do you think that the HE-500 needs anywhere near that for enough headroom? That kind of power would destroy one's hearing and probably burn out the HE-500. 1.25 Watts would be 9 dB down from the 10 Watts. If you used a 1 Watt amp and set the volume control at 12 o'clock it would be too loud for most people to listen to. 12 o'clock is way far less than 1/2 of the full power. A volume control uses an audio taper which is logarithmic not linear. So why isn't 1 Watt more than enough? Is there something else that makes the Emo sound better? You'll have to spell it out to convince me.

post #1232 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

That's about right, not the 50 Watts that most people might think. Do you think that the HE-500 needs anywhere near that for enough headroom? That kind of power would destroy one's hearing and probably burn out the HE-500. 1.25 Watts would be 9 dB down from the 10 Watts. If you used a 1 Watt amp and set the volume control at 12 o'clock it would be too loud for most people to listen to. 12 o'clock is way far less than 1/2 of the full power. A volume control uses an audio taper which is logarithmic not linear. So why isn't 1 Watt more than enough? Is there something else that makes the Emo sound better? You'll have to spell it out to convince me.

 

That's why people are putting resistors in-line.  It's not about getting too much power, it's about having enough to drive the HE-500 + insane SQ.

post #1233 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

That's about right, not the 50 Watts that most people might think. Do you think that the HE-500 needs anywhere near that for enough headroom? That kind of power would destroy one's hearing and probably burn out the HE-500. 1.25 Watts would be 9 dB down from the 10 Watts. If you used a 1 Watt amp and set the volume control at 12 o'clock it would be too loud for most people to listen to. 12 o'clock is way far less than 1/2 of the full power. A volume control uses an audio taper which is logarithmic not linear. So why isn't 1 Watt more than enough? Is there something else that makes the Emo sound better? You'll have to spell it out to convince me.


1W IS enough, but people keep buying and demanding more power and thats why things like the Schiit Lyr which pumps out 6W of power into a 32 ohm load. So who needs a Lyr? The point is you get a arguably better than Lyr sounding amp that provides more power (not that you need as much as either outputs) for as low as 1/3 the cost depending on when/how you get the Emotiva mini-X a-100. THATS why everyone likes the mini-X. Its not the power output thats the main draw. Its the better bang for buck.

post #1234 of 2478
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Originally Posted by K-Otar View Post

I just wish the Asgard 2 could provide more juice for my HE-500.  

Wait, the A2 doesn't have good synergy with the HE-500?
post #1235 of 2478
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Originally Posted by K-Otar View Post
 

I just wish the Asgard 2 could provide more juice for my HE-500.  

 

 

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Wait, the A2 doesn't have good synergy with the HE-500?

I had my HE-500's hanging of an Asgard 2 driven by a Bifrost Uber USB last night and not only did it sound awesome, it could play loud enough to do some serious damage. IMO any more juice and it could set one's hair on fire.:eek:

post #1236 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

That's about right, not the 50 Watts that most people might think. Do you think that the HE-500 needs anywhere near that for enough headroom? That kind of power would destroy one's hearing and probably burn out the HE-500. 1.25 Watts would be 9 dB down from the 10 Watts. If you used a 1 Watt amp and set the volume control at 12 o'clock it would be too loud for most people to listen to. 12 o'clock is way far less than 1/2 of the full power. A volume control uses an audio taper which is logarithmic not linear. So why isn't 1 Watt more than enough? Is there something else that makes the Emo sound better? You'll have to spell it out to convince me.

 

 

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Originally Posted by blasjw View Post
 

 

That's why people are putting resistors in-line.  It's not about getting too much power, it's about having enough to drive the HE-500 + insane SQ.

You didn't answer my question nor did you take notice of the fact what I said about too much power can hurt your hearing and damage your HE-500's. There is nothing to be gained.

post #1237 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

That's about right, not the 50 Watts that most people might think. Do you think that the HE-500 needs anywhere near that for enough headroom? That kind of power would destroy one's hearing and probably burn out the HE-500. 1.25 Watts would be 9 dB down from the 10 Watts. If you used a 1 Watt amp and set the volume control at 12 o'clock it would be too loud for most people to listen to. 12 o'clock is way far less than 1/2 of the full power. A volume control uses an audio taper which is logarithmic not linear. So why isn't 1 Watt more than enough? Is there something else that makes the Emo sound better? You'll have to spell it out to convince me.

 

 

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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post
 


1W IS enough, but people keep buying and demanding more power and thats why things like the Schiit Lyr which pumps out 6W of power into a 32 ohm load. So who needs a Lyr? The point is you get a arguably better than Lyr sounding amp that provides more power (not that you need as much as either outputs) for as low as 1/3 the cost depending on when/how you get the Emotiva mini-X a-100. THATS why everyone likes the mini-X. Its not the power output thats the main draw. Its the better bang for buck.

Agreed, the Emotiva is a great value proposition. Who needs all that power, IMO, not many people. Those who own headphones like an HE-6 that are like a black hole at the end of a cable can use an amp like this. Then again those guys want to spend more to show off to their buddies. OK so I shouldn't be stereotyping, ooh a perfect word for audiophiles. Everyone else better watch how they spin that dial or burst an eyeball just before their ears catch on fire. :D 

post #1238 of 2478
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You didn't answer my question nor did you take notice of the fact what I said about too much power can hurt your hearing and damage your HE-500's. There is nothing to be gained.

Amplifier puns.  :biggrin: 

post #1239 of 2478
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Originally Posted by Tuco1965 View Post
 

Amplifier puns.  :biggrin: 

Someone noticed. :D

post #1240 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

I had my HE-500's hanging of an Asgard 2 driven by a Bifrost Uber USB last night and not only did it sound awesome, it could play loud enough to do some serious damage. IMO any more juice and it could set one's hair on fire.:eek:

Nice. Yeah, the statement sounded a little wonky.

post #1241 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

 

 

You didn't answer my question nor did you take notice of the fact what I said about too much power can hurt your hearing and damage your HE-500's. There is nothing to be gained.

Ooops, let me slow down and answer your questions.  No, I don't think the HE-500 needs that much power which is why I mentioned the fact that people are using resistors in-line which reduces the power to the headphones and allows more effective use of the volume knob.  I think that answers your first two questions.  Of course no one wants to destroy their headphones or their hearing.  If you want learn more about how people are using the Mini-X for headphones (or not) and what they think of the sound, you could start with the thread that I referenced earlier:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/3255#post_10278665

 

As far as what makes it sound better, I can't tell you.  I can only go by what I've heard from other hi-fiers since I haven't tried it myself.  As ben_r mentioned, it's a good value proposition and, according to some head-fiers the SQ is better than other more expensive amplifiers such as Lyr, etc..  But, of course, it's up to everyone to judge for themselves and not everyone would necessarily agree obviously.  Although I have a Mini-X, I have yet to do the 1/4 TRS mod. and get a pair of HE-500's to plug into it.  But, once I do I will let you know.  :dt880smile: 

post #1242 of 2478
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Originally Posted by blasjw View Post
 

Ooops, let me slow down and answer your questions.  No, I don't think the HE-500 needs that much power which is why I mentioned the fact that people are using resistors in-line which reduces the power to the headphones and allows more effective use of the volume knob.  I think that answers your first two questions.  Of course no one wants to destroy their headphones or their hearing.  If you want learn more about how people are using the Mini-X for headphones (or not) and what they think of the sound, you could start with the thread that I referenced earlier:  http://www.head-fi.org/t/629352/he-500-lcd2-d5000-dt770-sr80-on-a-speaker-amp-emotiva-mini-x-a-100-project/3255#post_10278665

 

As far as what makes it sound better, I can't tell you.  I can only go by what I've heard from other hi-fiers since I haven't tried it myself.  As ben_r mentioned, it's a good value proposition and, according to some head-fiers the SQ is better than other more expensive amplifiers such as Lyr, etc..  But, of course, it's up to everyone to judge for themselves and not everyone would necessarily agree obviously.  Although I have a Mini-X, I have yet to do the 1/4 TRS mod. and get a pair of HE-500's to plug into it.  But, once I do I will let you know.  :dt880smile: 

You do realize that people who like the tube sound will not agree with you about the Lyr. Personally I prefer SS because I want accurate and clean, but that's my preference. As far as sounding better than other SS amps, I will not buy into that. Amps are a simple science, no not science it's engineering which is an applied science. there are no mysteries other than the human element, I think we are very good at fooling ourselves. I've learned long ago how to listen, I've designed preamps and line amps for professional equipment, electronic music synthesizers, all sorts of stuff, I know the engineering as well as the human aspect. I'll be the first to say that you can buy an amp that costs 3 times the price of the Emo and few people will be able to tell them apart. The differences in opinions after some blind listening would be very amusing and varied between individuals or the same persons trying again.

post #1243 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

You do realize that people who like the tube sound will not agree with you about the Lyr. Personally I prefer SS because I want accurate and clean, but that's my preference. As far as sounding better than other SS amps, I will not buy into that. Amps are a simple science, no not science it's engineering which is an applied science. there are no mysteries other than the human element, I think we are very good at fooling ourselves. I've learned long ago how to listen, I've designed preamps and line amps for professional equipment, electronic music synthesizers, all sorts of stuff, I know the engineering as well as the human aspect. I'll be the first to say that you can buy an amp that costs 3 times the price of the Emo and few people will be able to tell them apart. The differences in opinions after some blind listening would be very amusing and varied between individuals or the same persons trying again.

Well then, sounds like even more reason to go with the Mini-X unless you prefer the tube sound.  Perhaps I can entice you with a tasty pic of ben_r_'s modified Mini-X :beyersmile::

 

post #1244 of 2478
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Originally Posted by StanD View Post
 

You do realize that people who like the tube sound will not agree with you about the Lyr. Personally I prefer SS because I want accurate and clean, but that's my preference. As far as sounding better than other SS amps, I will not buy into that. Amps are a simple science, no not science it's engineering which is an applied science. there are no mysteries other than the human element, I think we are very good at fooling ourselves. I've learned long ago how to listen, I've designed preamps and line amps for professional equipment, electronic music synthesizers, all sorts of stuff, I know the engineering as well as the human aspect. I'll be the first to say that you can buy an amp that costs 3 times the price of the Emo and few people will be able to tell them apart. The differences in opinions after some blind listening would be very amusing and varied between individuals or the same persons trying again.


Soooo youre saying that all SS amps sound the same?

post #1245 of 2478
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Originally Posted by blasjw View Post
 

Well then, sounds like even more reason to go with the Mini-X unless you prefer the tube sound.  Perhaps I can entice you with a tasty pic of ben_r_'s modified Mini-X :beyersmile::

 

Sorry, I've got enough amps for now.

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