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post #16 of 35
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

I may have been mislead...but I read that ALAC was Apple Lossless Audio Codec. So I believed it was a equal in sound quality to a FLAC file but it was from Apple, so all iTunes were ALAC files, correct me if I'm mistaken.


iTunes is 256kbps AAC.

ALAC is for personal use/ cd ripping.

post #17 of 35
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by proton007 View Post


iTunes is 256kbps AAC.

ALAC is for personal use/ cd ripping.

Thanks for clearing this up. So if I'm using iTunes AAC, is this a lossy or lossless file? Is it Cd quality?

ALAC is what I will use to transfer my Cd's to my Mac, and they will be the exact same quality?

Thanks again.


Edited by joseph69 - 2/22/13 at 8:13am
post #18 of 35
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

Thanks for clearing this up. So if I'm using iTunes AAC, is this a lossy or lossless file? Is it Cd quality?

ALAC is what I will use to transfer my Cd's to my Mac, and they will be the exact same quality?

Thanks again.

 

AAC is a very effective lossy format. The quality will depend on the bitrate you choose to record at; almost no one will be able to hear the difference between a CD and a 256 or 320 AAC on even the best equipment, but the AAC will will be a lot smaller than any lossless version of the CD.

post #19 of 35
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almost no one will be able to hear the difference between a CD and a 256 or 320 AAC on even the best equipment

With my Nationite S:Flo2/Fiio E9/Sennheiser HD555 I can hear differences on many tracks  between a 320kbps mp3 and a lossless FLAC file. You notice artifacts in the midrange on the compressed files, the bass is not as well defined, certain tracks sound virtually identical and others are noticeably different. If you intend to play music on a hi-fi then lossy compression is a disaster. To confuse matters ALAC files have the m4a extension which is the same as purchased music from iTunes. The file sizes are much smaller obviously on the iTunes m4a files. To confuse things even more there are aac files which are the same thing (compressed). There is also m4p which were DRM protected files. ALAC and FLAC should sound identical, when you compare lossy compression algorithms  there are arguments about which one sounds the best. Improving a lossless algorithm means not losing any data but making the file a bit smaller.

post #20 of 35
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Originally Posted by Sefelt103 View Post

With my Nationite S:Flo2/Fiio E9/Sennheiser HD555 I can hear differences on many tracks  between a 320kbps mp3 and a lossless FLAC file.

 

Maybe - but most people who claim to be able hear certain differences between MP3 at this br and FLAC can't when blind tested. In fact there was a pretty big survey published in Sound Science a couple of weeks ago showing people can't hear the difference between 192 and 320 mp3, and the more certain and the higher end the equipment the more likely they were to be wrong.) A very few can (although they tend to have to listen very analytically  for certain artefacts.) And aac is step up from mp3, especially if you haven't been picky about which encoder you are using, so it gets less likely again that you will genuinely be able to tell it from flac.


Edited by scuttle - 2/22/13 at 12:27pm
post #21 of 35
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by joseph69 View Post

Thanks for clearing this up. So if I'm using iTunes AAC, is this a lossy or lossless file? Is it Cd quality?

ALAC is what I will use to transfer my Cd's to my Mac, and they will be the exact same quality?

Thanks again.

So would it still be safe to say what I quoted before???

Also, is this correct???

post #22 of 35
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So if I'm using iTunes AAC, is this a lossy or lossless file? Is it Cd quality?

aac is lossy. It's not CD quality.

 

 

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ALAC is what I will use to transfer my Cd's to my Mac, and they will be the exact same quality?

yes.

post #23 of 35
Thread Starter 

About my first question, should I be concerned about iTunes being a lossy file while listening to my 325's?

Is there a better lossless file that I should use instead of iTunes?

Thanks

post #24 of 35

I dont think there is a music online store with all lossless files with a decent library,  you shouldnt be too concerned in general,  256 kbps is decent in sound quality 

post #25 of 35
Thread Starter 

Thank you everybody who has helped me with my questions about this subject, I appreciate all of your input.

If there is any other info that anyone feels will help me in any way please post it, I do not mind learning at all!!!

Thank you again, soon I will try to transfer all of my Cd's and purchase music off of iTunes, I would just like to take my time and learn more and maybe get some tips before I continue and move on with this. Thanks.

post #26 of 35

Sorry to come in late on this but just been reading through these questions and responses... 

 

Joseph, both ALAC and FLAC will record up to CD quality compression, about 1411Kbps IIRC. Flac (free lossless audio codec) is preferable in my view because it is playable on more devices. ALAC is a proprietary codec and is not commonly playable even if the device plays AAC, Apple's normal compression codec. If you end up with an Android or other portable player one day which I think is likely even if you are not considering it right now, your ALAC files will be problematic. Player companies don't like paying royalties for license rights to Apple and you may well find you've restricted yourself. Rip them to Flac and this won't be a problem but iTunes won't play them so there is a trade off. 

 

And not all software players are created equal. While I don't feel qualified to recommend one or other because of limited exposure myself, the search tools on this forum or google should give you all the answers you need. We all start somewhere, but the topic is so huge you cannot expect to get the full definitive answers from a single thread. it is unfair to ask repeated questions for topics adequately covered elsewhere. not wishing to sound rude but unless you've been prepared to do some searching first the forum can become cluttered with repeated Q&As.

 

Good luck with your exploration of this wonderful pastime.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Ari33 View Post

I ripped the audio from my Roger Waters 'Remember that Night' DVD 

 

Ari33... Wash your mouth out! Remember the Night was David Gilmour's DVD! Great DVD as are Roger's In the Flesh DVD and others. But given their 30 year feud which at last seems to be mellowing, you should get the credits right! smily_headphones1.gif

post #27 of 35

Android playera can generally play alac though,  using players like poweramp or neutron player,  i have tried on r android device they all can play alac files.  Still right on most players cant play alac though

post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by Jpfe8851 View Post

Sorry to come in late on this but just been reading through these questions and responses... 

 

Joseph, both ALAC and FLAC will record up to CD quality compression, about 1411Kbps IIRC. Flac (free lossless audio codec) is preferable in my view because it is playable on more devices. ALAC is a proprietary codec and is not commonly playable even if the device plays AAC, Apple's normal compression codec. If you end up with an Android or other portable player one day which I think is likely even if you are not considering it right now, your ALAC files will be problematic. Player companies don't like paying royalties for license rights to Apple and you may well find you've restricted yourself. Rip them to Flac and this won't be a problem but iTunes won't play them so there is a trade off. 

 

And not all software players are created equal. While I don't feel qualified to recommend one or other because of limited exposure myself, the search tools on this forum or google should give you all the answers you need. We all start somewhere, but the topic is so huge you cannot expect to get the full definitive answers from a single thread. it is unfair to ask repeated questions for topics adequately covered elsewhere. not wishing to sound rude but unless you've been prepared to do some searching first the forum can become cluttered with repeated Q&As.

 

Good luck with your exploration of this wonderful pastime.

 

 

 

Ari33... Wash your mouth out! Remember the Night was David Gilmour's DVD! Great DVD as are Roger's In the Flesh DVD and others. But given their 30 year feud which at last seems to be mellowing, you should get the credits right! smily_headphones1.gif

Thank you, I have been doing my own research to understand these files myself, and just from my own research I can definitely see what you are saying about the topic being so huge, and I was looking for feedback from people with this experience, and I did not expect to get definite answers from this single thread but I am comparing my research with other websites but focusing mainly  on this forum so I can be confident enough to move on and transfer my music and purchase music in its best quality. And I am not one to let others do my work, I was just asking for the right direction and was mislead on other sites, and I feel like you are telling me to ask somewhere else by saying ;topics adequately covered elsewhere;, your making me feel like I cant ask a question on a forum that I enjoy and participate in. Thanks i'll look elsewhere.

post #29 of 35

Joseph, that was not my intention at all and I can clearly see for myself you've been doing some research. But I must say that for someone with more than twice as many posts, as me, and been a member for half the time, you may not be trying to use the search function enough. Frankly, all the questions you've asked I've seen answered here previously. Pardon me, but while you say you've not done much uodating in 25 years, but I do wonder where you've been not to know about ripping CDs. That did sound a remarkably strange question for someon who knew mp3s existed. 

 

If I am mistaken, I apologise. Ask away... beerchug.gif

post #30 of 35
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Originally Posted by Jpfe8851 View Post

Ari33... Wash your mouth out! Remember the Night was David Gilmour's DVD! Great DVD as are Roger's In the Flesh DVD and others. But given their 30 year feud which at last seems to be mellowing, you should get the credits right! smily_headphones1.gif

 

Oops,  I don't know how I got that one wrong. lol

 

My apologies.

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