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post #931 of 2717

I too am very sensitive to too much high end energy. I would rather the sound were muted in the upper frequencies rather than suffer through any brightness. That being said, I haven't experienced  treble the way Michael describes it from the Millenia in any of the system configurations I've had it in, which includes headphones (Paradox and LCD2s) as well as my speaker system. I have tried several different interconnects and speaker wires.Using appropriate cabling will also help fine tune things; I believe the cables I am using now are pretty neutral. The silver  speaker wires going into my resistor box I used before had somewhat of a tipped up treble, but even with those I wouldn't have described it as harsh sounding.  I definitely prefer the amp on ac for its fuller sound. On batteries, including an external 12 volt that Jan had recommended, I found the treble region a bit too highlighted for my taste. Sometimes (always?) it comes down to system synergy, including cables, speakers, etc. A case in point: when I had my LS3/5As in my system and was using the Musical Fidelity A1 amp, which tended toward a warmer sound anyway, I was using silver speaker wire and interconnects. When I went with The Clue speakers, even with the A1 amp, I found the silver wires didn't work so well. The LS3/5As needed some 'waking up', because of an inherit laid back nature and the silver speaker wires helped them along. The Clue speakers do not have a laid back nature, so when I went with a more neutral speaker wire, I couldn't believe the difference in how much better they sounded! Balance....synergy......yada, yada, yada....

post #932 of 2717

Unsubscribed  until there's new topic...rolleyes.gif

post #933 of 2717
I guess we should send him a PM when we stop talking about speaker amps for headphones...

:-)
post #934 of 2717

Yeah, I'm thinking I need some new material... You guys have heard all of my Millenia jokes...

post #935 of 2717
Hee-heee!
post #936 of 2717

Well I just remembered that I asked Emotiva at the start of the year about shipping for their mini-x - they quoted $130 shipping to Oz for $219 of product. The TBI Millenia is $600 shipped currently. What else are people using with their headphones (in particular the HE-500 if that's possible otherwise let us know your pairings)? 

 

Getting some speaker taps made for the can and want something different to the DACmini CX pairing currently. 

post #937 of 2717

How much are you willing to spend? 

 

Also, do you folks still have real audio stores?  There aren't many left in the US, but if you still have them, you should take your cans and taps and go listen to whatever amps they have in the store... That will give you a good idea of what is available in your area, and you will get a good idea of what sound you can get for your money... and then you can write up your findings here, particularly if you find something really good for really cheap!!!.

post #938 of 2717

I was thinking something in between the Emotiva and TBI price. I figured since the shipping is quite a bit for a 6.5kg amp - there must be another great amp for just a bit more than the Emotiva which may give better results...Nothing official yet but looking and asking questions where I can.

 

Have 1 overpriced audio shop locally with a reasonable selection of equipment. I will have to have a look and see if there any reasonably priced amps there that might do the trick or at least to play with. Thanks for the suggestion.

post #939 of 2717

Wish I had got the DACmini CX and run it off the speaker terminals - was that someone on this thread?

post #940 of 2717

At a minimum a trip to that shop will be a nice way to spend an afternoon/evening... and you will learn something about the range of performance/price available to you locally.

 

There is very little in the $200-600 amp range that I could find when I went looking a few months back -- read back a few hundred posts, and you will see that I was trying to keep the speaker amps <$500USD... the fact that I ended up with the $1300 Odyssey Cyclops was just poor discipline on my part... or good salesmanship on Klaus' part... but I'm very happy with the result in any case. 

 

When I was searching for those mythical $500 competitors, I found that Marantz makes a couple of amps that are supposed to sound pretty good and might be had for about that price (+$100 or so...), but these days in that price range most companies are pumping out HT receivers that are more about bells and whistles than sound quality.  The market for quality stereo amps has become a niche, filled by smaller companies selling at higher price points.  TBI is the only company I could find selling a true audiophile-quality amp in that price range, which is why I, and a few others, have been blabbering on about the Millenia MG3.

 

Nevertheless, there are a few folks on this thread using low-cost T-amps, and maybe they'll jump in with some info. 

post #941 of 2717
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Originally Posted by nk77 View Post

Well I just remembered that I asked Emotiva at the start of the year about shipping for their mini-x - they quoted $130 shipping to Oz for $219 of product. The TBI Millenia is $600 shipped currently. What else are people using with their headphones (in particular the HE-500 if that's possible otherwise let us know your pairings)? 

 

Getting some speaker taps made for the can and want something different to the DACmini CX pairing currently. 

 

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There is very little in the $200-600 amp range that I could find when I went looking a few months back -- read back a few hundred posts, and you will see that I was trying to keep the speaker amps <$500USD... the fact that I ended up with the $1300 Odyssey Cyclops was just poor discipline on my part... or good salesmanship on Klaus' part... but I'm very happy with the result in any case. 

 

When I was searching for those mythical $500 competitors, I found that Marantz makes a couple of amps that are supposed to sound pretty good and might be had for about that price (+$100 or so...), but these days in that price range most companies are pumping out HT receivers that are more about bells and whistles than sound quality.  The market for quality stereo amps has become a niche, filled by smaller companies selling at higher price points.  TBI is the only company I could find selling a true audiophile-quality amp in that price range, which is why I, and a few others, have been blabbering on about the Millenia MG3.

 

Nevertheless, there are a few folks on this thread using low-cost T-amps, and maybe they'll jump in with some info. 

Given the bolded information above, and your price range, your best bet is honestly going DIY. If you're totally against that then a T-amp, MG3 and some other undiscovered gem are your options unfortunately. Going DIY opens up a huge range of options for you, because there's very little profit margin involved and you can tailor it to your heart's content. If you are interested, the Amp Camp Amp monoblocks at $269 are a great beginners choice that was developed by Nelson Pass for first timers that is also low cost. Here's a link with a bunch of reference information. Plus, you get to be cool and say you're using monoblocks tongue.gif

post #942 of 2717
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

 

Given the bolded information above, and your price range, your best bet is honestly going DIY. If you're totally against that then a T-amp, MG3 and some other undiscovered gem are your options unfortunately. Going DIY opens up a huge range of options for you, because there's very little profit margin involved and you can tailor it to your heart's content. If you are interested, the Amp Camp Amp monoblocks at $269 are a great beginners choice that was developed by Nelson Pass for first timers that is also low cost. Here's a link with a bunch of reference information. Plus, you get to be cool and say you're using monoblocks tongue.gif

 

Not afraid of DIY just of what damage I could do with a soldering iron and electronic components. I am starting off making cables first currently. Watching a few vids on soldering techniques. Been a while since I used that forum.

 

Lot of great stuff from Nelson Pass. I will have a look at that amp. Cheers for that. Class A would run a bit warmer right?

post #943 of 2717
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

 

Plus, you get to be cool and say you're using monoblocks tongue.gif

 

Great point! L3000.gif

post #944 of 2717
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Originally Posted by nk77 View Post

 

Not afraid of DIY just of what damage I could do with a soldering iron and electronic components. I am starting off making cables first currently. Watching a few vids on soldering techniques. Been a while since I used that forum.

 

Lot of great stuff from Nelson Pass. I will have a look at that amp. Cheers for that. Class A would run a bit warmer right?

Yeah it will typically be warmer because Class A is less efficient which is released as heat, but these are no egg cookers lol. Those amps were also designed to be built in one evening by a complete novice. Just look at the parts, very minimal, typical Nelson Pass goodness.


Edited by brunk - 9/2/13 at 11:05pm
post #945 of 2717
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Originally Posted by brunk View Post

Yeah it will typically be warmer because Class A is less efficient which is released as heat, but these are no egg cookers lol.

Just you wait till I'm done with mine

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