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post #2476 of 3116
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Originally Posted by robrob View Post

Your XLR pin numbers are correct.



 



Looking at the rear (connector side) of the XLR connector:



 



 



Thanks !
post #2477 of 3116
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I know I said I would do a full on review of PM6004, although since then I've sold my LCD-3s as well as the banana adapters. Instead, the Marantz is hooked up to towers. I found it a better match for speakers as it's sonic signature is pleasant for watching movies or even listening to music. With the LCD-3s, they never got harsh, although at a bit of loss in the details. The tone controls were pretty useful as well for decent bass. I also found that there was a definite roll off in the extreme sub bass and upper treble, which wasn't the case with Emotiva. Emotiva was also a bit wider, however, the presentation overall was more engaging with LCD-3. Mids and vocals were more upfront and intimate. For some electronic music, it was slightly undesirable. Although for other slower, pop or hip hop music, it was very pleasing. I found the Marantz to have a better sense of prat over the Emotiva. The PM6004 performed better with slower and fast paced music. Stuff like 128+ BPM trance or 140 BPM dubstep wasn't the most favourable. The tone controls really did help with the bass and punch, but still left a bit to be desired. If you can find a PM6004 used, I'd definitely recommend it. Even at it's lowered $399 retail, it might be worth giving it a shot. If you listen to slower-medium paced music and like vocals, this definitely deserves a shot. Also, if you have had any problems with finding amps too bright with any of the planars, I'd also consider this.

 

I should also mention that as you from Source Direct (Native) to Audio EX2 to Audio EX1, the amp indeed does change character. The sound gets more upfront, less smooth and more aggressive, which depending on the music is more preferred.

 

Thanks for this!  It kind of puts to rest my interest in getting a PM8004 - which I've been considering for quite some time as an amp for the LCD-2.  Ultimately, I'll have to try one to know for sure, but losing interest is probably a good thing.

 

Mike

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Thanks for this!  It kind of puts to rest my interest in getting a PM8004 - which I've been considering for quite some time as an amp for the LCD-2.  Ultimately, I'll have to try one to know for sure, but losing interest is probably a good thing.

 

Mike

 

It might actually work well with the LCD-2. The LCD-3 is harder to get right though. I tried a NAD integrated amp going for $800, about 70 Watts. Sounded cleaner in comparison to PM6004 but neither had the real magic that I was looking for. Only the Luxman at $4000 brought it out. The LCD-2 I found to play much better with different amps.

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Good point - thanks!

post #2480 of 3116
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Good point - thanks!

I'm starting to see a pattern here!
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post #2481 of 3116
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It might actually work well with the LCD-2. The LCD-3 is harder to get right though. I tried a NAD integrated amp going for $800, about 70 Watts. Sounded cleaner in comparison to PM6004 but neither had the real magic that I was looking for. Only the Luxman at $4000 brought it out. The LCD-2 I found to play much better with different amps.
Yeah, the LCD-2 needs a bit of brightness. The couple amps that I did like them on were the GSXs and the Bryston.

As to the Luxman, you are finding what I did looking for amps for my HE-6s. Those more expensive amps have the goods to sound better.
post #2482 of 3116
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Yeah, the LCD-2 needs a bit of brightness. The couple amps that I did like them on were the GSXs and the Bryston.

As to the Luxman, you are finding what I did looking for amps for my HE-6s. Those more expensive amps have the goods to sound better.

 

Yeah, the LCD-3 needs a $3000 amp to really start to shine. Maybe I'm just being too picky. Oh well. Even the BHA-1 on LCD-3 wasn't that magical. It sounded clean and detailed but not sweet. The store had some PrimaLuna and EAR amplifiers. Unfortunately, my adapter cable was short so couldn't reach the posts on different sides.

post #2483 of 3116
I own the lcd 3 there is nothing magical about them
They are headphones that are not that revieling
They are very clear and deep bass
But poor staging and a rolled off treble
With some EQ they get a lot better.
If you think they are like the HE 6. They are not

Sorry
Al
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Yeah, the LCD-3 needs a $3000 amp to really start to shine. Maybe I'm just being too picky. Oh well. Even the BHA-1 on LCD-3 wasn't that magical. It sounded clean and detailed but not sweet. The store had some PrimaLuna and EAR amplifiers. Unfortunately, my adapter cable was short so couldn't reach the posts on different sides.


Did you try HD800 ? My second HD800 was way better than LCD2.2, not sure about LCD3 but Audeze headphones have no sound stage at all, and darker, dark sounding to me translate to muddy IMO.

 

I think HD800 comes close to the speaker experience IMO. I might buy HE6 again or wait for HE560 to compensate HD800 :biggrin:

post #2485 of 3116
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

I own the lcd 3 there is nothing magical about them
They are headphones that are not that revieling
They are very clear and deep bass
But poor staging and a rolled off treble
With some EQ they get a lot better.
If you think they are like the HE 6. They are not

Sorry
Al


So are you saying HE6 is better than LCD3 ? I guess I am heading to the right direction :tongue_smile:

post #2486 of 3116
Hands down it's better. Now if you want a close experience with the music then you want an HE6. Is you want a relaxed experience with your music get the lcd3. .
The lcd3 is lacking staging and a closeness to the music. The HE6 is immensely pleasing . But you will need a speaker amp. For them. But you do not need to break the bank on an amp.

Al
post #2487 of 3116
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Originally Posted by ALRAINBOW View Post

Hands down it's better. Now if you want a close experience with the music then you want an HE6. Is you want a relaxed experience with your music get the lcd3. .
The lcd3 is lacking staging and a closeness to the music. The HE6 is immensely pleasing . But you will need a speaker amp. For them. But you do not need to break the bank on an amp.

Al


Yupe, getting Marantz soon :)

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Did you try HD800 ? My second HD800 was way better than LCD2.2, not sure about LCD3 but Audeze headphones have no sound stage at all, and darker, dark sounding to me translate to muddy IMO.

 

I think HD800 comes close to the speaker experience IMO. I might buy HE6 again or wait for HE560 to compensate HD800 :biggrin:

 

Nope. Don't have a HD800. Might have considered it way back, but the treble and lack of bass slam doesn't do it for me. Same thing goes for stats. I'm sure a lot of people love it for the clarity and detail, but at the end of the day, are you having fun?

 

I have yet to experience a headphone that can throw a proper soundstage to make it seem like the image is coming from the front. While the Denon/Fostex are closed, they still IMO offer realism. Listening to live events, the reverbs are perfect to match what it sounds like to be there. I couldn't get that with Audeze.

 

Having said all that, speakers > headphones, any day of the week. That's why I got rid of LCD-3 to fund speakers and then get a TH-600 or TH-900 on the side to replace my D2000 eventually. No need to carry separate amps or DACs. The Dangerous Music Source will drive both headphones and monitors with a good dac and amp. Not to mention solid features.

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Yupe, getting Marantz soon :)

 

Which one you thinking about?

post #2490 of 3116

I know some people have experience with this setup but I can't seem to find an answer. I have a pair of  XLR terminated HD800's and a Millenia MG3 and am looking to lower the noisefloor. Just finished building Robrob's prefered resistor network and sadly it didn't help much. Anyone know what kind of resistors...  I mean specifically what resistors I should be using to lower the noisefloor from a nearby waterfall to, well as black as possible?

 

I used the leads of the resistors as the "wires" inside the resistor box, is that acceptable practice? lol. Also I am using wall power and not battery, I'm aware that this may make a difference but would prefer not to rely on batteries charging external battery packs seem to be sketchy as I have to watch them carefully. Maybe there is no other way?

 

Sound seems MUUUCH better than my 0404 lolol, but noisefloor and absolutely no volume control ( as soon as right channel kicks in it's already loud enough).

 

Thank you for any input on this matter. 

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