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post #1456 of 3116

I definitely live in Never-Never land these days.  I faced a choice between living in civilization with a wife/GF or the middle of nowhere by myself (except for a couple of dogs) and after one last exasperating relationship I chose the latter.  I don't regret my decision.  Much.

 

Let me put it this way:  I can afford to do a comparison test of a dozen DACs over the holidays and I don't have to ask permission from ANYBODY.  Life is good.

post #1457 of 3116

Sounds like you've got some good tales to share in the worst date stories thread :cool: 

post #1458 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 

I definitely live in Never-Never land these days.  I faced a choice between living in civilization with a wife/GF or the middle of nowhere by myself (except for a couple of dogs) and after one last exasperating relationship I chose the latter.  I don't regret my decision.  Much.

 

Let me put it this way:  I can afford to do a comparison test of a dozen DACs over the holidays and I don't have to ask permission from ANYBODY.  Life is good.

I second that :D

post #1459 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 

I definitely live in Never-Never land these days.  I faced a choice between living in civilization with a wife/GF or the middle of nowhere by myself (except for a couple of dogs) and after one last exasperating relationship I chose the latter.  I don't regret my decision.  Much.

 

Let me put it this way:  I can afford to do a comparison test of a dozen DACs over the holidays and I don't have to ask permission from ANYBODY.  Life is good.

Sounds to me like Gary's house is the ultimate Man Cave!

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Sounds to me like Gary's house is the ultimate Man Cave!

Hell yeah! Especially being in the middle of nowhere. Love the country (not the music) :D 

post #1461 of 3116

Yeah, it's pretty much a man cave.  4 big screen TVs, including a 40" in the bathroom.  I'll eventually have at least 5 (waiting for UHD vs 4K to settle out and come down to reasonable prices).  Furniture?  Meh, who needs it.  Window treatments? Shades work fine for the windows that need to be covered for privacy (that doesn't include any in the great room... but my nearest neighbor is 250 feet away behind 2 rows of 30-ft leyland cypresses.  Acoustic foam on the walls in the basement home theater... not exactly beautiful, but the dogs don't care. 

 

Clean?  Sort of.  I have big dogs, so clean is a relative thing.  They have taught me a very valuable lesson:  the world is made of dirt...  Deal with it.

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I get the man cave concept as I have three, but I do not get the be alone concept.  I am not saying one is wrong to want or do it.  but I have never been a loner without family , even through divorce .  As for hanging with the homie,s this I never was much in to doing. but I have gone away to vegas and other cities with friends and did enjoy it.

 

AL D  

post #1463 of 3116

FlySweep,

 

My cables arrived today - Sennheiser to 4-pin-XLR M/F to banana plugs.

 

And I concur, wholeheartedly!  The HD600 sounds phenomenal when driven balanced from the TBI Audio MG3 via the resistor box!  

 

I had already come to love the HD600 via SE connection to my DACmini CX, but this is stupid nice!   It's got a lot of slam, the bass is well-controlled, and the whole signature is very natural and non-fatiguing.

 

Lots more listening to do, but the initial impact is almost jaw-dropping.  I'm listening to Muddy Waters Folk Singer, at the moment - stunning!  I really think the HD600 is somehow allowing the MG3's SET traits to sing through much better than with the LCD-2.  I hate to say it, but that's how I'm feeling it right now. And where the MG3 had improved the LCD-2's lackluster sound stage compared to other amps, the HD600 sound stage is perfect with the MG3 - not exaggerated - it just works.  

 

Unlike loudspeakers or even near-field monitors, where the sound stage places things out in front of you as well as to either side, I've often thought of headphone sound stage (other than that with binaural recordings) as having the shape of a bow tie, as viewed from the top, looking down.   Well, this bow-tie is really big!

 

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Thanks for the recommendation, FlySweep!

 

:beerchug:

 

Mike

post #1464 of 3116

Fantastic.. great to hear it's working out for you, Mike!  The bass is something else, isn't it?  I never though the HD600 was capable of that kind of slam.  It's still neutral.. but very dynamic, punchy and better extended from the Millenia than practically anything else I've fed the HD600.  Very encouraging to hear you like the HD600, too.  I always wonder for those who come from planars (LCD-2, HE-500, etc.) to the HD600 if it'll be a shock to hear that old, 'dynamic driver' presentation.. but even in that realm, the HD600 is special.

 

Looking forward to more impressions on the HD600/Millenia combo.. not sure how long you've had your HD600, but I found they do improve after a healthy amount of use/'break in.'

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FlySweep,

 

I've had the HD600 for about a month, while waiting for the cables needed to run balanced from the MG3's resistor box, but it sounds so much better now, than it had when running single-ended from other amps.  In short, I concur with everything you've written above!

 

I have a theory about just exactly why the HD600 sounds so much better than my LCD-2 on the MG3 + resistor box:

 

Thanks to Armaegis' superior knowledge of the math required to do such calculations, I've recently learned that when the MG3 is putting out 32 Watts into 8 Ohms with 24VDC power, my attached TBI resistor box is only putting out 142 mW into the 50-Ohm LCD-2 and only 24mW into my 300-Ohm HD600. 

 

Contrast these figures to the CEntrance DACmini CX, which puts out 480mw into 50 Ohms and 80mW into 300 Ohms - roughly four times the power output of the MG3 + resistor box!  

 

Without the resistor box, but for the hiss experienced when either headphone is directly attached, I'd be getting 5100 mW into the LCD-2 and 853 mW into the HD600.  (On request, I can provide a spreadsheet I've created that documents and performs the needed equations - verifying Armageis' calculations.)

 

So...  Even though I absolutely love the natural, organic and analog yet detailed sound of the MG3 with LCD-2, I've learned that the resistor box leaves the LCD-2 sorely under-powered, given that Audeze recommends a minimum of 1000mW into 50-Ohm (where I'm only getting 142mW).  :p

 

The Sennheiser HD600 is much better matched to the power of the MG3 + resistor box, as evidenced in terms of heard dynamics, bass control, etc. That's a fact.  So...  Thus enlightened, I'm still looking for an amp that can provide the power my LCD-2 wants without the hiss of the MG3. But,without going to a tube amp, where do I find the awesome sound signature of the MG3, while also getting something closer to 13W into 50-Ohms (the maximum power rating of the LCD-2)?   (I know...  the Odyssey Audio Cyclops Extreme - but I live by a hard and fast rule of never spending more than $1k for any single component.)

 

 

 

Mike

post #1466 of 3116

Mike:

 

Klaus sells a version of the Odyssey Khartago for $995.  Tell him that's all you're willing to spend. Period.  End of discussion.  See what he's willing to do.

 

Note that there have been some problems with overseas versions of the Cyclops, possibly due to 220v issues.  As I've reported, I had issues with the power in my house and had to give the Odyssey its own outlet box (I know, I'm spoiling it rotten).  But when it is happy with its power supply, it is pretty damned amazing...

post #1467 of 3116
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post

FlySweep,



 



I've had the HD600 for about a month, while waiting for the cables needed to run balanced from the MG3's resistor box, but it sounds so much better now, than it had when running single-ended from other amps.  In short, I concur with everything you've written above!



 



I have a theory about just exactly why the HD600 sounds so much better than my LCD-2 on the MG3 + resistor box:



 



Thanks to Armaegis' superior knowledge of the math required to do such calculations, I've recently learned that when the MG3 is putting out 32 Watts into 8 Ohms with 24VDC power, my attached TBI resistor box is only putting out 142 mW into the 50-Ohm LCD-2 and only 24mW into my 300-Ohm HD600. 



 



Contrast these figures to the CEntrance DACmini CX, which puts out 480mw into 50 Ohms and 80mW into 300 Ohms - roughly four times the power output of the MG3 + resistor box!  



 



Without the resistor box, but for the hiss experienced when either headphone is directly attached, I'd be getting 5100 mW into the LCD-2 and 853 mW into the HD600.  (On request, I can provide a spreadsheet I've created that documents and performs the needed equations - verifying Armageis' calculations.)



 



So...  Even though I absolutely love the natural, organic and analog yet detailed sound of the MG3 with LCD-2, I've learned that the resistor box leaves the LCD-2 sorely under-powered, given that Audeze recommends a minimum of 1000mW into 50-Ohm (where I'm only getting 142mW).  " src="http://files.head-fi.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif" />



 



The Sennheiser HD600 is much better matched to the power of the MG3 + resistor box, as evidenced in terms of heard dynamics, bass control, etc. That's a fact.  So...  Thus enlightened, I'm still looking for an amp that can provide the power my LCD-2 wants without the hiss of the MG3. But,without going to a tube amp, where do I find the awesome sound signature of the MG3, while also getting something closer to 13W into 50-Ohms (the maximum power rating of the LCD-2)?   (I know...  the Odyssey Audio Cyclops Extreme - but I live by a hard and fast rule of never spending more than $1k for any single component.)



 



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Mike


 



Investigate a used Bryston BHA-1.
Seems to be some agreement in owners that the LCD is a good match for the BHA-1.
I've never heard component either so no comment on my part.
post #1468 of 3116
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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 

Mike:

 

Klaus sells a version of the Odyssey Khartago for $995.  Tell him that's all you're willing to spend. Period.  End of discussion.  See what he's willing to do.

 

Note that there have been some problems with overseas versions of the Cyclops, possibly due to 220v issues.  As I've reported, I had issues with the power in my house and had to give the Odyssey its own outlet box (I know, I'm spoiling it rotten).  But when it is happy with its power supply, it is pretty damned amazing...

 

Thanks Gary!  I suppose I could return it if I don't like it.  I'll think on this...  Meanwhile, I'm really digging the MG3 > resistor box > HD600, while fearing that I might never find an amp that can reproduce what I'm hearing now, with the LCD-2, which still has a bass energy that's superior to the HD600, when given more power - a trait that all LCD-2 fans love. The HD600 bass I'm hearing currently, is beautifully done, but more balanced with the rest of the spectrum - more "accurate" than the mildly excessive bass of the LCD-2.

 

It's all very subjective, of course, but I know what I like.  The rig I'm using this morning is as close to perfect as I've heard to date - and I'm not just having a "honeymoon" experience.  I'm able to be objective within my subjectively determined requirements (if that makes any sense).  

 

:p

 

And then there's the sheer comfort of the HD600 - no contest there!

 

Mike


Edited by zilch0md - 11/28/13 at 9:49am
post #1469 of 3116

If the HD600 sounds better than the LCD2, I suspect there is something wrong ... not that this is an absolute, nor to discount individual tastes, but I would wish to investigate further before making any pronouncement ...

post #1470 of 3116

You seem to be neglecting some of my qualifying statements.  The LCD-2 is under-powered with the MG3's resistor box output of only 142mW into 50 Ohms, and thus, would certainly sound better when driven with at least the minimum 1000mW recommended by Audeze.  The HD600, on the other hand, appears to be very well suited to the MG3's resistor box output of only 24mW into 300 Ohms.  

 

What I'm hearing in either case is not simply the LCD-2 or the HD600.  What I'm hearing is precisely these entire chains:

 

44.1/16 and 96/24 WAV > Foobar 2000 > Resonessence Concero with Apodizing up-sampling filter > TBI Audio MG3 > TBI resistor box > LCD-2 vs. HD600

 

And the HD600 wins, handily, in my opinion, with this exact chain - due, at least in part, to the signal leaving the resistor box being ideal for the HD600, but less than ideal for the LCD-2.

 

Which headphone, in and of itself, is "better?"  I wouldn't hesitate to say that the LCD-2 offers a much greater potential for achieving audio nirvana.

 

Mike

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