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post #1096 of 2599
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Originally Posted by commtrd View Post


I think people will defend their purchase decisions as validation that they are "correct" and that tends to matter as much as the sonic performance of the device. I own a Mjolnir and while I think it sounds very nice with the LCD3s, I am really curious about the Odyssey Cyclops amp and most especially paired with the MSB dac. Unfortunately there was other things that needed immediate attention so it will be a while till I can get a Cyclops amp and will try it with the Gungnir dac to start with. Until then I would never claim the amp I have is the best there is only that it sounds pretty good and was a good start to enter the world of headphone musical reproduction. If I am going to spend a fairly substantial sum for an amp I would like for it to be able to drive some speakers also.

 

I don't think you'll need to spend MSB-scale money to appreciate the Cyclops (or Khartago if you don't need volume control).  In fact, for those kind of bucks (nearly $50K for the top of the line MSB diamond model with all of the upgrades) I would look very hard for the perfect amplification match, ignoring cost completely, since there's absolutely no point in compromising on the amp if the rest of the chain costs as much as a luxury car.  I heard a huge difference between the MJ and Cyclops using a $200 Emotiva DAC.  I am anxious to hear how good it will sound with the DAC's available for about 10-12X what I paid for the Emo, but that will have to wait until next summer, when I hope to have recovered from multiple large expenses that I am being forced to absorb this fall.   

post #1097 of 2599

I can't wait for your DAC comparisons, Gary.  

 

I want you to win a lottery or something, seriously.

 

We should pass the hat to fund your golden ears and silver tongue!    

post #1098 of 2599
Gary. You taking DAC recommendations for your shoot out? Put a Gungnir in the running so you can tell me how bad my current set up is...
The "Gary in MD DAC shootout fund". Kind of has a nice ring to it!
post #1099 of 2599
To offer a financial relief, I'd suggest bringing in donated DACs for your comparisons. I'd offer my Hilo for a period of comparison if interested. DACs are more alike than different and are a pain to compare IMO. I've done some and the differences are often very slight if any. That's not to say there isn't but those differences become less further up the price range.
post #1100 of 2599
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

To offer a financial relief, I'd suggest bringing in donated DACs for your comparisons. I'd offer my Hilo for a period of comparison if interested. DACs are more alike than different and are a pain to compare IMO. I've done some and the differences are often very slight if any. That's not to say there isn't but those differences become less further up the price range.

 

No.

All DACs sound the same, no matter what price point.

Even the one in your iPhone.

 

It's true.

I read it in the Sound Science Forum..................:rolleyes: 

post #1101 of 2599
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Originally Posted by Happy Camper View Post

To offer a financial relief, I'd suggest bringing in donated DACs for your comparisons. I'd offer my Hilo for a period of comparison if interested. DACs are more alike than different and are a pain to compare IMO. I've done some and the differences are often very slight if any. That's not to say there isn't but those differences become less further up the price range.

 

They sure are a pain to compare.  for me it takes a while to find the differences if there is any.  

 

Is there a list started yet?

post #1102 of 2599
I respect the effort science puts in and their intent is noble but their confidence in their conclusions is galling. They talk about placebo and delusion and I think that's their problem. They can't hear a difference because they've already determined it can't. But this thread isn't about them or my view.
post #1103 of 2599

Folks:

 

So far, there isn't much of a list, but the ideas I had included:

 

  • The Gungnir or Schiit statement DAC, whose name I can't remember.  It has to be one or the other, since Shiit will only take one thing back per year.
  • The Benchmark DAC 1 and/or DAC 2
  • The Bryston BDA-2 if they offer a low-cost/no-cost return policy
  • Emotiva Stealth DC-1
  • Anything else anybody wants to recommend or send me for <$2500 as long as it has a good return policy.  I might take Happy Camper up on his offer... let's see where things stand in 9 months or so.

 

Of course, the Emotiva XDA-1 is my current DAC.  I think it sounds fine and it only cost $200.  I like it a lot more than Burson's Sabre implementation in the Conductor.  And science be damned (a bad thing to say if you work for NASA's science organization) but I sure heard a significant difference...

post #1104 of 2599
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Originally Posted by Gary in MD View Post
 

Folks:

 

So far, there isn't much of a list, but the ideas I had included:

 

  • The Gungnir or Schiit statement DAC, whose name I can't remember.  It has to be one or the other, since Shiit will only take one thing back per year.
  • The Benchmark DAC 1 and/or DAC 2
  • The Bryston BDA-2 if they offer a low-cost/no-cost return policy
  • Emotiva Stealth DC-1
  • Anything else anybody wants to recommend or send me for <$2500 as long as it has a good return policy.  I might take Happy Camper up on his offer... let's see where things stand in 9 months or so.

 

Of course, the Emotiva XDA-1 is my current DAC.  I think it sounds fine and it only cost $200.  I like it a lot more than Burson's Sabre implementation in the Conductor.  And science be damned (a bad thing to say if you work for NASA's science organization) but I sure heard a significant difference...

 

Check out the Yulong DA8 through Grant Fidelity, which has an excellent no-hassle return policy. I'm pretty sure you only pay for return shipping to Canada.


Edited by brunk - 9/26/13 at 8:28pm
post #1105 of 2599

Now, back to our regularly scheduled speaker amp discussion... about the TBI Millenia MG3 (geez, not again... there goes the audience, stomping out of the theater).

 

If I can't sell my Beyer T1s in the next few days (and they've been posted for about a month with no serious offers... a few people want to trade me stuff they don't want... so that I can trade it in a few months to somebody else in exchange for stuff they don't want... ARRGGGGHHHHH), I am going to send T1s and my spare (Mills) resistor box to Jan Plummer so he can experiment and see if he can get the system to work right... and perhaps even tame the T1s' harshness.  If any amp can, I have to believe it is the Millenia using the Mills resistors, since they are very warm sounding...but we'll see.  In any case, it will entertain him for a while, . 

 

If it works, I'll keep the T1s around, probably sell my Koss ESP-950s (I'm probably going to do that anyway), and defer my pursuit of Stax gear for a while.  If it doesn't work, I might try selling the T1s on Audiogon or eBay, or just give up and use them as a very expensive centerpiece for my dining room table (I believe I have mentioned that I don't have a wife... this would be just one more clue as to why...)

post #1106 of 2599

Brilliant!  

post #1107 of 2599

Hehe that 600-1400 impedance is going to give him a workout! I'm not so sure that an SS amp is optimal for the T1, but i do know that an OTL amp is. Good luck!

post #1108 of 2599

Hey Gary,  

 

For the T1, you might think about buying FlySweep's impedance match, that Jan tuned for his HD800...  ???

 

Mike

post #1109 of 2599

By the way Brunk, I ordered just about everything you recommended.  I'll soon be up to my elbows in soldering paraphernalia with nothing to solder...   But I'm ready for the next Molex connector!   Haha!

post #1110 of 2599
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Originally Posted by zilch0md View Post
 

By the way Brunk, I ordered just about everything you recommended.  I'll soon be up to my elbows in soldering paraphernalia with nothing to solder...   But I'm ready for the next Molex connector!   Haha!

 

Awesome Mike! You're going to love that solder station, it's a rebranded Aoyue, which is right up there with Weller but cost much less. Now your possibilities are limitless! Let me know if there's something you'd like to build for whatever application and I can help steer you in the right direction. What solder did you end up with?

 

Cheers!

Brunk

:beerchug: 

 

EDIT: It just so happens i have an extra set of First Watt F5 boards and Universal PSU board, both from DiyAudio which actually makes a perfect beginner amplifier because of Mr. Pass' minimalistic approach. Let me know if you're interested!


Edited by brunk - 9/26/13 at 9:10pm
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