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post #976 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Dogmatrix View Post


Head fires are enthusiastic people they love their gear and like to talk about it . Enthusiasm leads to a magnification in this case the effectiveness  of an amplifier .
When one reads a review one gets the impression that the virtues of the equipment in question are clear and profound . Under the light of the outside world these same virtues are seen to be in fact quite subtle .
Have you're friend listen exclusively to the WA7 set up for a week or two then switch back to the sound card , if he still can't hear a lift in sound quality he can sell the amp and preach to the world about the myth of high end audio .

Good advice.
post #977 of 2271
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Originally Posted by mediumraresteak View Post
 

I'm in a bit of a pickle.. my friend recently purchased his first tube amp (WA7) with the Beyer DT990/600 ohm and says he's not sure what the fuss is all about for high end audio gear.  Now of course I'm a bit gobsmacked at his reaction but according to his ears, he can't hear a difference between his laptop sound card, the WA7 dac (D/A), and the amp (through usb setting).  I gave him links of several reviews but to no avail.  Is it his ears or possibly an error in setting up his rig?  He's also listening to music through MOG which I believe are 320 bitrate quality.

There are several factors that may be involved. First there is level of attention:

1. Casual listening - the music is background, in the open space offices it serves to mask conversations of others, at home it may be a secondary stimulation or comfort sound

2. Moderately engaged listening - listening more intently but still distracted by other stimulus such as answering forum questions while listening to music

3. Critical listening - attention is focused on listening with distractions eliminated

 

Second we have training. Some of us have been through programs and apprenticeships where we learned to hear specific details in sound. One course available to all is Dave Moulton's Golden Ears Training.

 

Third is experience. Exposure to many different systems with varying characteristics, especially at meets where the differences may be experienced A/B, will expand the individual reference. 

 

Moving from a lesser performing component to one with better characteristics may not always provide an immediate and profound enhanced experience. A/B over time will help. The source material also has a considerable effect on ability to discern differences. While 320 Kbits/S is very good for lossy compression, it may be a limiting factor. Interesting sounds to hear in loss-less, high resolution format are the upper registers of a well tuned, well designed grand piano, bells, triangle, vibraphone, cymbals. Listening for purity of the sounds and lack of smear in space (especially cymbals). Then there are transient sounds of which the snare drum on a rock or jazz kit provides an example. Listen for attack and definition. And then bass, both quantity and quality. I have four excerpts I use for bass alone, they comprise upright bass, electric bass, acoustic bass drum in a large space, and TR808/TR909 synthesized sounds.

 

Hope that helps. - AB

post #978 of 2271

he guys how does the Shcit Bifrost sound with the WA7 (upgraded tubes)? fun? sparkly treble? does it even count as an upgrade?

i am done testing the Concero + WA7 , it was smooth, clean yes but wasn't fun what so ever, i enjoyed both of the female vocal and the treble on the WA7's DAC, the concero was like the Yulong D100 MKII but not as warm, yet boring for Mad Dog 3.2 fans, no coloration of fun.

so what DAC should i go for? i think a new DAC will get me cleaner sound ofc same with concero but i am hoping for something similar to WA7's DAC where i can enjoy the J-pop more. 

how is the Schit gungnir?


Edited by Shini44 - 2/5/14 at 10:46am
post #979 of 2271
I'm afraid you'll have to tell us how much you're willing to spend to get meaningful recommendations.
post #980 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post
 

he guys how does the Shcit Bifrost sound with the WA7 (upgraded tubes)? fun? sparkly treble? does it even count as an upgrade?

i am done testing the Concero + WA7 , it was smooth, clean yes but wasn't fun what so ever, i enjoyed both of the female vocal and the treble on the WA7's DAC, the concero was like the Yulong D100 MKII but not as warm, yet boring for Mad Dog 3.2 fans, no coloration of fun.

so what DAC should i go for? i think a new DAC will get me cleaner sound ofc same with concero but i am hoping for something similar to WA7's DAC where i can enjoy the J-pop more. 

how is the Schit gungnir?

Bryston new dac

post #981 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
 

Bryston new dac

the BDA-1 or 2? also i think they will be higher priced than the gungnir :P which is 970$ with shipping to Dubai using Fedex :/ i will go for one next month, for now i will collect info, but thanks for the help Frank ^^

 

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Originally Posted by EdmontonCanuck View Post

I'm afraid you'll have to tell us how much you're willing to spend to get meaningful recommendations.

i am don't regret getting anything before, all is part of learning more about the sound etc :P and to make my recommendation for others even better :3 

right now i wana know about the gungnir, i think its not like these Yulong/Sabre kind of dac, the concero was like them but not as warm , still smooth and boring.


Edited by Shini44 - 2/5/14 at 11:32am
post #982 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post
 

the BDA-1 or 2? also i think they will be higher priced than the gungnir :P which is 970$ with shipping to Dubai using Fedex :/ i will go for one next month, for now i will collect info, but thanks for the help Frank ^^

 

i am don't regret getting anything before, all is part of learning more about the sound etc :P and to make my recommendation for others even better :3 

right now i wana know about the gungnir, i think its not like these Yulong/Sabre kind of dac, the concero was like them but not as warm , still smooth and boring.

 more for sure but it worth the money. The 2 is what I heard in Denver and liked very much

post #983 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Frank I View Post
 

 more for sure but it worth the money. The 2 is what I heard in Denver and liked very much

lol can't add more $$ i am a student after all :P i really hope the gungnir will be nice anyway :3

post #984 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post
 

lol can't add more $$ i am a student after all :P i really hope the gungnir will be nice anyway :3

I hear ya. Work toward it but the Schiit should work for you.

post #985 of 2271
Some updates on my WA 7 use...
 
I got it to work with 10.9.1 and I believe I works fine with other versions as well. There seems to be something off with mac os 10.9 and USB devices (I just had not so good experience with creative sound blaster and WA 7 combined with Macbook pro mid 2012 running Maverics).
 
Now, how it worked for me (for both creative and WA 7).
 
- Connected my Ultrasharp u2412m to powered USB hub, USB hub goes to macbook pro.
- Connected both WA 7 and Creative Sound Blaster to the LCD and all work fine. I have no idea why none of them work if connected to the USB hub or directly to the macbook but that is what it is.
 
I am very happy with WA 7 + LCD 2 so far.
post #986 of 2271

Android and WA 7, here is a little update on it.

 

So far I successfully tested Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 (2014 edition) with WA 7, work like a charm.

 

How to:

 

  • Connected an OTG to Samsung tablet 
  • Connected the USB type B to USB to the OTG
  • Tablet sound out changed to the WA 7

 

Will post about quality comparison (if I get the time) when connected to macbook (via USB) or the tablet (via USB).

 

Will try Nexus 4 sometime during weekend and post back the result.

post #987 of 2271

hey guys did anyone compare the Treble sparkle on WA7 EH tubes with any SS amp? does the SS amp win in this area?? i really need to know before i end up buying an amp to test myself -.-'' save my WA7 people XD 

post #988 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Shini44 View Post

hey guys did anyone compare the Treble sparkle on WA7 EH tubes with any SS amp? does the SS amp win in this area?? i really need to know before i end up buying an amp to test myself -.-'' save my WA7 people XD 

Is there anything you don't like with your current setup? I personally have no interest in SS amp. Yes I'm still curious if NAD D1050 can beat DACMagic Plus or can TH900 beat HD800 but have no interest in SS amp
post #989 of 2271
Would this be the all-in-one solution for someone with HD 650's and Momentums? I have Schiit Modi/Vali stack at the moment, but in the future I might want to upgrade and this package seems to have it all: quality, versability, correct price range, simplicity and looks.
Btw, can you order the WA7 with europlug and appropriate voltage options straight from the manufacturer without hassle?
post #990 of 2271
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Originally Posted by Zojokkeli View Post

Would this be the all-in-one solution for someone with HD 650's and Momentums? I have Schiit Modi/Vali stack at the moment, but in the future I might want to upgrade and this package seems to have it all: quality, versability, correct price range, simplicity and looks.
Btw, can you order the WA7 with europlug and appropriate voltage options straight from the manufacturer without hassle?
Never heard Momentum but for HD650 it's excellent even with stock tubes
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