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post #496 of 1535

StormClaw: It's about on the level of an Audioquest Dragonfly, Centrance DACport or Meridian Explorer IMO, which is still pretty good. For good active monitors I recommend a good DAC/Pre, eg: from Audio-gd, Anedio, April Music or the like, but they are more expensive.

post #497 of 1535
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StormClaw: It's about on the level of an Audioquest Dragonfly, Centrance DACport or Meridian Explorer IMO, which is still pretty good. For good active monitors I recommend a good DAC/Pre, eg: from Audio-gd, Anedio, April Music or the like, but they are more expensive.

Curra, thank you for your answer, but I still fail to see what those expensive DACs can do that WA7 can't.

 

WA7 has a sampling rate up to 32-Bit, 192kHz 

What else would I need to good quality audio signal?

 

Am i missing something? 

post #498 of 1535
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Curra, thank you for your answer, but I still fail to see what those expensive DACs can do that WA7 can't.

 

WA7 has a sampling rate up to 32-Bit, 192kHz 

What else would I need to good quality audio signal?

 

Am i missing something? 

That's a pretty loaded question that will get you very subjective answers.  Try out different DACs for yourself and know when it satisfies you enough for the $ and if you can even tell the differences/improvements after certain price points.  I am also eyeing the WA7.

post #499 of 1535

The 32/384 refers to the highest bit/sample rate the DAC can decode natively. It does not neccessarily correlate with sound quality by any means. I'm not even sure if you can find 32/384 files outside a mixing environment, much less available as a music downloads.

 

Down to it though, I do believe that some 16/44.1 file sound as good or even better than their 24/96 counterparts - though this is mainly due to the mastering of said files.

 

The main things that determine the quality of the DAC is the circuit design and the power delivery. Its maximum decoding capabilities should not be your main concern provided it can do at least 24/192

post #500 of 1535
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

StormClaw: It's about on the level of an Audioquest Dragonfly, Centrance DACport or Meridian Explorer IMO, which is still pretty good. For good active monitors I recommend a good DAC/Pre, eg: from Audio-gd, Anedio, April Music or the like, but they are more expensive.

Curra, thank you for your answer, but I still fail to see what those expensive DACs can do that WA7 can't.

 

WA7 has a sampling rate up to 32-Bit, 192kHz 

What else would I need to good quality audio signal?

 

Am i missing something? 

 

There's not a short answer to this. More expensive DACs usually have lower overall distortion. It isn't to do with what kind of signal they can process. Nowadays though even fairly inexpensive DACs are excellent. With high-quality equipment and excellent recordings, the more expensive ones can give you experiences like hearing exactly where on a cymbal it was hit and how hard, the detail of the harmonics between the strings of a piano, the detail of the sounds of the valves opening and closing on brass instruments, the sounds showing how players are shifting in their seats and the sounds of their clothes as they move, exactly how the performers are breathing, the patterns of the echos of the instruments off concert walls, the size and layout of the studio used to record in and more. For me at least, it makes the music more "real" to hear these ultra subtleties. A lot of music I listen to doesn't require all that though. A great many people I'm sure would be happy with the WA7 as it is. You'll just need to use the volume control on your speakers with it.

post #501 of 1535
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Originally Posted by Currawong View Post

StormClaw: It's about on the level of an Audioquest Dragonfly, Centrance DACport or Meridian Explorer IMO, which is still pretty good. For good active monitors I recommend a good DAC/Pre, eg: from Audio-gd, Anedio, April Music or the like, but they are more expensive.

Curra, thank you for your answer, but I still fail to see what those expensive DACs can do that WA7 can't.

 

WA7 has a sampling rate up to 32-Bit, 192kHz 

What else would I need to good quality audio signal?

 

Am i missing something? 

 

There's not a short answer to this. More expensive DACs usually have lower overall distortion. It isn't to do with what kind of signal they can process. Nowadays though even fairly inexpensive DACs are excellent. With high-quality equipment and excellent recordings, the more expensive ones can give you experiences like hearing exactly where on a cymbal it was hit and how hard, the detail of the harmonics between the strings of a piano, the detail of the sounds of the valves opening and closing on brass instruments, the sounds showing how players are shifting in their seats and the sounds of their clothes as they move, exactly how the performers are breathing, the patterns of the echos of the instruments off concert walls, the size and layout of the studio used to record in and more. For me at least, it makes the music more "real" to hear these ultra subtleties. A lot of music I listen to doesn't require all that though. A great many people I'm sure would be happy with the WA7 as it is. You'll just need to use the volume control on your speakers with it.

When using WA7 with EH tubes and HD650 I'm getting most of what you described and very happy with current setup but still interested if T1 or TH-600 are way to go since I will have noticeable improvement. I don't expect day and night difference I got by switching from D7000 to HD650
post #502 of 1535
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Curra, thank you for your answer, but I still fail to see what those expensive DACs can do that WA7 can't.

 

WA7 has a sampling rate up to 32-Bit, 192kHz 

What else would I need to good quality audio signal?

 

Am i missing something? 

While most DAC chipsets can take high sample rates and large bit depths, achieving the translation to analog varies, depending on implementation. It is fairly easy to achieve 98 dB dynamic range and THD of less than 0.05% on the analog output, as an example. Better dynamic range, lower noise floor, lower distortion require much more effort in the choice of analog components, circuit topology and layout, power and grounding in the design, and very often overlooked, the power supply. An enlightening exercise would be to visit a studio with Benchmark, Lavry, Violectric, Weiss, etc. DACs and compare with something in the inexpensive Behringer class. The lower distortion, less smearing of cymbals, better sounding reverb tails, better audio "black" (lack of residual noise), harmonics from the triangle, and the dreaded jangly key test will be quite audible.

That said, the onboard DAC for the WA7 is quite good. But there is room for improvement and why I have both Benchmark and Violectric DACs. When listening for recreation I have no problems listening to the WA7 DAC. It would probably be fine for mixing as well on your ADAMs. I use ADAM S3a myself. For critical listening when mastering, I want the better properties described above of the better DACs.

post #503 of 1535

Here's a pic of my new WA7 setup..  post #15005

What the heck.. here's the pic :veryevil:

2013 September Office Setup


Edited by MickeyVee - 9/9/13 at 6:39pm
post #504 of 1535

Are these the stock tubes? If so, I'd recommend upgrading to the EH goldpins - with the HD800 they really make a difference.

post #505 of 1535

Yup, stock in the picture.  Just breaking in the EH's right now. The WA7 sounds more like a SS amp than a tube amp.. even more so with the EH's but only have about 4 hours on them.  Hopefully they turn out to be great.  Right now, meh.. cant listen to them for more than 5-10 minutes at a time.. something about the treble is grating on me but will continue until I have at least 50 hours on them.

 

Update: A Day Later:  Added another 10 hours or so on the EH's.  The treble harshness seems to be gone and there is good extension on both ends.  They seem to be coming around nicely.

 

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Originally Posted by PleasantSounds View Post
 

Are these the stock tubes? If so, I'd recommend upgrading to the EH goldpins - with the HD800 they really make a difference.


Edited by MickeyVee - 9/10/13 at 5:34pm
post #506 of 1535

Less than hour ago I installed Russian 6N1P tubes into my Lyr and they sound as good as as WA7 followed by Amperex Orange Globes  but I don't think I will keep Schiit stack after discovering that they created stand alone DSD DAC costing $149 instead of adding DSD support to Bifrost first instead.

post #507 of 1535
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I wasn't sure about the EH's until I had about 35-40 hours on them, then went back to try the Sovteks again and then I knew the EH's were the way to go. Great detail with that touch of tube warmth is what I hear (extended bass too) - but mostly I'm no longer thinking about the tubes very much, just the music! My phones: Grado RS1i & PS500, and AKG Q701.

post #508 of 1535

Anyone tried it with the grado PS1000 by chance?

post #509 of 1535
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Anyone tried it with the grado PS1000 by chance?

I have and they sound amazing. the PS1000s are easy to drive as well smily_headphones1.gif
post #510 of 1535

Any WA7 users here run the Fostex TH-900's?

 

Been looking at this AMP/DAC for a while now.

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