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post #121 of 133
Correct.

Sonically, perfect match.
When it comes to power, too much.
So yes, that's the reason for selling it. Too little volume control on sensitive cans.
post #122 of 133

I am using this same combo and I will have to disagree. I can't even fathom how that could be the case. I am using the current output and usually listen with volume at 2pm on low gain, which provide extremmely precise volume control and lot of adjustment to play with. I even occasionally listen on high gain when listening to uncompressed classical music.

With the TH900, I also clearly preferred the Bakoon over the Zana Deux, but personal preferences will play a major role are they are both superb.


Edited by zenpunk - 11/7/14 at 2:57pm
post #123 of 133
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Originally Posted by AppleheadMay View Post

Correct.

Sonically, perfect match.
When it comes to power, too much.
So yes, that's the reason for selling it. Too little volume control on sensitive cans.

 

I second that observation.  I've said before that the one distraction I have with the HPA-21 is its nonlinear volume control at the bottom end.

 

Not enough distraction to dump it, tho.  :biggrin:  Applehead must be working the margin for big bucks.  :wink:

post #124 of 133
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I am using this same combo and I will have to disagree. I can't even fathom how that could be the case. I am using the current output and usually listen with volume at 2pm on low gain, which provide extremmely precise volume control and lot of adjustment to play with. I even occasionally listen on high gain when listening to uncompressed classical music.

With the TH900, I also clearly preferred the Bakoon over the Zana Deux, but personal preferences will play a major role are they are both superb.

 

 

I can assure you at the 2PM setting either in current low gain or voltage mode either my eardrums or the drivers will be blown.

I wonder where the difference comes from though. More output power from the source?

Or could it bet the Satri amp boards? I do not have the EX boards like the Korean version or standard Japanese version comes with. I have the upgraded Satri UL modules, a factory option.

 

Really, with the power this amp has it can easily drive any phone. I had a Phonitor way back that was also a powerful amp and used the K1000 with it with good results (not as good as speaker outputs from a tube amp though) but this amp definitely has twice the power.

I'd recommend it for all hard to drive cans and power hungry planars.

 

Sonically, it's a joy to listen to. Not dull like the P-1u I had, not anlytical. It has an involving sound I only expreienced once before, with the Zana.


Edited by AppleheadMay - 11/9/14 at 2:28am
post #125 of 133

Interesting to know you have the Japanese version, which seem to have different gain. I have the Korean HPA-21version and I have noticed it doesn't like source hotter than the standard 2.2v.

When using voltage output there is indeed very little volume to play with before it gets too loud.

post #126 of 133

My source is the HP-A8 but no idea what the output voltage of that one is.

 

The phones voltage output does indeed sound a little louder thatn the current output, but only a little in my case so I guess the output of the HP-A8 isn't too high.

 

Listening to Vicious by Lou Reed now and 12 O' Clock is about where it doesn't need to be any louder anymore even if you're in a headbanging mood.  ;)

Man, this amp really rocks, it's impossible to sit still when you crank this thing up.

post #127 of 133

I now remember one of the first review, on 6moon, mentioned issues with too much gain with sensitive cans and the HPA-21 but I believe that was then fixed and the gain lowered when the amp was officially released.

post #128 of 133

Hmm, just plugged in the HD650 and this one sounds as loud as the Fostex on current but much less so on voltage.

The amp really has full control of the 650s bass, something I'm not used to with these cans.


Edited by AppleheadMay - 11/9/14 at 5:06am
post #129 of 133

The pairing of the LCD3 with the Bakoon AMP 11-R is one of the most synergistic couplings this aficionado has ever heard. The only problem is that the volume control on the Bakoon does not allow for the exact desired setting on many discs. Fortunately, using an EAR Acute CDP with its own remote controlled volume control solves the dilemma for me.

 

The Bakoon is a better match for the HD 650 than is my reference EAR HP4. I would say the Bakoon makes the Senns sound exciting.


Edited by Dr. Roberts - 11/15/14 at 4:34pm
post #130 of 133
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The pairing of the LCD3 with the Bakoon AMP 11-R is one of the most synergistic couplings this aficionado has ever heard. The only problem is that the volume control on the Bakoon does not allow for the exact desired setting on many discs. Fortunately, using an EAR Acute CDP with its own remote controlled volume control solves the dilemma for me.

 

Good to hear the Bakoon does well with hard to drive cans. Anyone else have experience with those on a Bakoon?

post #131 of 133
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Good to hear the Bakoon does well with hard to drive cans. Anyone else have experience with those on a Bakoon?

 

 

Not the audeze but I have hifiman phones if we're talking planars.  I was always curious to try the HE-6 with my 5210mk3 but still have never had a chance.  The HE-500 is driven with ease.  I don't use the bakoon amp atm because it does not pair very well with my dac(Concero HD) + HE-500, and I power speakers with my taboo amp which also sounds damn good.  I found with the HE-500 + 5210mk3 + Concero that the HE-500 became really fatiguing.  I guess that means just about any combo would be fatiguing with that setup because the HE-500 is anything but.

 

I really enjoyed the combo with the MHDT Labs Havana.  That was a wonderful combo.  I've been thinking about trading in the Concero for a MHDT Stockholm.  The only problem is I also use the taboo amp to drive speakers.  

 

I would not call the HE-500 hard to drive particularly, they just have that rep.  However to sound their very best they need a good audio chain with some juice behind it.

post #132 of 133

Thanks for the info Lloyd. I must say I have only had the chance to try my amp with 1 Dac, the HP-A8.

 

I wonder if anyone had a chance to compare this amp to a GS-X? I ordered a GS-X Mk2 and am expecting it somewhere around the end of the year.

post #133 of 133

Just bought a new Dac yesterday, the Marantz NA-11S1.

Problem solved, I can now go higher in volume on the Bakoon.

Like Zenpunk said, the HP-A8 must have high voltage output.

The Marantz has 2.2V, no idea about the HP-A8.

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