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Well, actually, Beagle, we don't have to imagine it. We get to EXPERIENCE it.

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Me, serious? I'm never serious. Nothing is real. Everything is and isn't what everybody says it is.

"All matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves... here's Tom with the weather."

Bill Hicks

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LOL, whew

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Hmmm ... it must be pretty boring in Canada right now or else those 501's are not very engaging in their musical presentation.

My previous post was not a troll. Just a statement I knew would elicit some harsh responses. Couple of people really did not like my statements!

The HD600 fans always say...."you need the right amp". This just means the HD600's are just too overpriced and overrated. They need a special amp.

I listen to HD600's, but I will not worship them.

As far as sound this, sound that, amp this amp that. I have been listening to audio for over 30 years. I was weaned on tubes.
I was fixing all sorts of electronics over 25 years ago. I keep an open mind, but also open ears.

As far as V6's being $55 and 7506's being $100, tell SONY, don't tell me.

Yep, HD600's are a bit overpriced at $350. Sure, you can probably squeeze some up at $255, but they are not worth that either.



Troll? Nope. Just things that people don't want to "hear".

Ain't it fun?

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Oh, Sony knows. They know every time someone buys the 7506 to spend $45 on a sticker.

to be honest, probably getting the flattest midrange and treble
electrostatics will probably be able to do the job, as well as being very fast and active

maybe once these new stax come out or maybe the orhpheous

will be the flattest broad-range, and maybe they will even be flat to low frequencies such as 20k....

that's wishful thinking, as most electrostats roll off in like the 50's-60' kish

um also the fullest broadest frequencies??


well seeing how your ear can only hear from truely 20hrz-20khrz

it shouldn't matter if the frequency range
is from the unhearable range of like 5hrz to 37khz seeing how that would be useless

so

All i see is:
what cans are the flattest from 20hrtz-20khrtz, and I would think for dynamic, is probably the most transparent and one of the most expensive dynamic cans out there which are probably the r10's (of coures based upon markl and verts and etc..'s opinions)

and maybe stax series like the lambada or the omega II
and maybe the orpheous
well

looking for a set of cans' with absolute flatness is probably impossible
but it would be easier to make absolute flattness out of headphones, but still impossible...
but to find cans of that kind of caliber
will be quite costly, and bascially like the cans I mentioned above

The jury is still out on those K501's.

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Since the K501 need even more of an amp, and the K1000 even more than that... I guess those must be "overrated," too? And the ER4S... those two, prolly...

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LOL, I don't know anyone who worships them.


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My jimmy is bigger than yours But seriously, I could list my "qualifications" here, too, but as long as someone actually knows what a real performance sounds like, they're qualified to talk about sound quality, IMO.


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How can you be "keeping an open mind" when you make claims that are patently false?



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You can easily find them for $220 shipped, and I, and many other who know just as much about "good sound" as you think they are worth every penny. I own both the V6 and the HD600s, and the HD600s are *easily* worth the 3x cost premium. The only single advantage the V6 have over the HD600 is in bass extension -- and it has that advantage over pretty much every headphone on the market. While bass extension is important to me (witness my posts on the K501), I won't give up everything else -- treble, midrange, detail, soundstage, musicality -- just to get the ability to roll off 5Hz lower.


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I couldn't care less if we have differing opinions. There's nothing I "don't want to hear." What bothers me is a) you made statements that were patently false, and there are newer members on Head-Fi that might make the mistake of actually believing you; and b) the tone of your post, which had "troll" written all over it.

There's nothing clever about going into a forum and making outlandish and completely false claims, and then punctuating them with comments implying that those who don't agree "have not experienced GOOD sound, or even live sound" and simply "think the press or reviews make headphones sound good."

Well, the 580 is the cheap version of the 600, just as V6 is the cheap version of the 7506, and although the 580 is more different from the 600 than the V6 from the 7506, it still offers at least 90% the performance of the 600 at $1xx.

How's that for value?

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Well, at least the V6s are themselves decent phones... it could be worse... somebody could be saying 'my v600s blow all your cans out of the water!!'

But it's safe to say that what fred thinks is a perfect reproduction of the bass is in fact an exaggerated reproduction of the bass Even if it is not boomy

Hmm, Joe, the HD580 user, at 580 posts on Head-Fi. I feel like never posting another post here

to be honest Mac and joebloogs

if people wanna pretend that they know it all
and won't listen to other's word of mouth on this forum,

they shouldn't bother preaching to others...

too bad that they still do

so i guess no use arguing,
as you know <sarcasm> the v600's are the worlds best headphone</sarcasm>

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That's a silly argument... They DON'T need a "special" amp! In fact, the HD600 seems to work very well with many amps. People have reported great results with the Creek OBH-11, MG Head, Corda HA-1 (which is what I'm using to drive my Senns), EMP, X-Cans, and so on... Actually, I don't think I've ever read about any amp that DOESN'T work with the Senns! (Except for the super-portable amps like the TA and the Porta Corda).

They DO need a dedicated amp to sound their best though. However, I don't think that's unreasonable at all; the better headphones you buy, the better the rest of your equipment has to be to support it.
If you play on a nice Italian fiddle, you're going to need a nice French bow to do it justice!

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Sorry, but I like my HD600s because they really do sound good. They're the closest thing I've ever heard to a real live performance, and since I do a lot of performing myself, I do know very well what live music sounds like.

'my v600s blow all your cans out of the water!!'
Only the creme of the crop have the 600 label (ie. V600 and HD600)

fredpb you know what dood,

you really gotta justify your statements better

you see

what you are saying is regarding maybe if we're on a budget

however that is not the case
this thread is regarding what we think is the best for the fullest range and flattest frequency...

I agree that the 600 may not be the flattest cans and have a bit of treble roll off but i disagree on the bass, they are a set of cans who's sound changes from all sorts of amps including bass characteristics
i think they are great, and if properly matched to an amp that someone likes, they are great
and ALSO they do not distort easily, it usually is the source that will, as they have a very high impedance, and are used to match quality powerful audio equipment...

For someone who is apparently such an electronics and audio expert you should know
that like home audio setup, you need good source, amplification, and speakers to achieve high quality sound


it's funny you are fussing over interconnects, which cost alot considering it's just wiring and alters the least difference on a audio setup, considering that even a t/a amp can drive a 600 quite well for the price of interconnects...

heh, if you've been in the business that long
you should know with all audio equipment
$$$$ = huge factors...

tube amps, a class amps, etc... you should know that $$$ is still where it's at...
If you know audio like you say you do, you know that in the past and present there are tons of transmission line speakers/standard dynamic speakres/ and electrostatic spakers of low effenciency, designed to be driven by power amplifiers

well whats the difference with the 600s? does the fact that they are not effecient degrade the fact that it is audiophile equipment?
if that is your logic
I guess power amps like rotel, marantz 510, mcintosh, are not high end equipment, and
speakers like B&W, Totem, Monitor Audio, and kef are junk

all hail the effecient easily powered panasonic right?
and all hail sony speakers

and the Grado cartarages? yuck?
well again it all comes down to how much $$$ you want to spend
heh...
my father bought a old technics 110 direct drive turn table in 1979, which isn't the best but it's quite consistant because of the direct drive, and he spent about $700 bux on a stax aircraft handmade aluminum tone arm with built in motor and a hand made grado plantium (or equevillient) cartarage for $500 and this was in 1979
so
I guess that's crap because it costs so much to get a turn table to sound it's best?!
and I guess SACD's sound like junk becuase they are $30 a pop?
heh