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post #901 of 3089
Well if new is watered down sop, then I'm good with old.

Newer does not equate to better.



edit: Though the argument that Newey equates to better is hard to refute.


edit #2: Brawn back in it?
Edited by Pudu - 4/15/14 at 12:29am
post #902 of 3089
It would be funny if Brawn came back to Ferrari, but from what I remember from when he quit the first time, he's gotten tired of the whole F1 deal, politics, constant traveling, etc..... but then he bought Honda out and stayed with Mercedes so who knows lol.
post #903 of 3089

Martin Brundle explains why this year's Mercedes car is so much quicker than the others 

 

post #904 of 3089

MB also started way ahead of Renault and Ferrari in designing their new engine and car and that is an advantage in terms of design trial and error. Ofcourse it also meant spending more but they have money.

post #905 of 3089
It will be interesting if Honda can incorporate these details into their new engine. MacLaren's season next year will live or die on that new powerplant being reliable and at least close in power output.
post #906 of 3089

I doubt that it can be copied. The descriptions are very general. MB will never reveal enough info for their competitors to reverse engineer their design. There is so much detail missing. Just the composition of the metals they use, the temperature and pressure they operate at were not revealed. These are very important data. There's just so much performance data missing.

post #907 of 3089
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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post
 

I doubt that it can be copied...

 

I wouldn't be so sure of that. Renault and Ferrari presumably didn't do it because they didn't think of it, not because they couldn't. Knowing that it is possible and does work as intended, I think it's very likely that all three other engine manufacturers can figure out how to do it - they don't need Mercedes to spell it out for them. It's not like Honda is a little company with no R&D who can't research things like materials or operating temperatures on their own...

post #908 of 3089
The advantages of the Merc are derived from the overall design - putting the turbo and compressor at opposite ends. That is very much copy-able. The real question is how far along Honda is on their own power plant. I'd be surprised if they could scrap their design and start over from scratch at this point. Macca will have already started designing their 2015 car around whatever Honda has got. Whether they have already thought of this approach, or whether they can modify what they have got to take advantage of this ... who knows.
post #909 of 3089

FP1 top ten.

 

 

 

 

 

2014 FORMULA 1 UBS CHINESE GRAND PRIX

Pos No Driver Team Time/Retired Gap Laps
1 14 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:39.783   20
2 6 Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1:40.181 0.398 16
3 3 Daniel Ricciardo Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:40.772 0.989 23
4 22 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:40.970 1.187 23
5 27 Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1:41.175 1.392 16
6 20 Kevin Magnussen McLaren-Mercedes 1:41.366 1.583 20
7 25 Jean-Eric Vergne STR-Renault 1:41.505 1.722 26
8 44 Lewis Hamilton Mercedes 1:41.560 1.777 9
9 1 Sebastian Vettel Red Bull Racing-Renault 1:41.629 1.846 19
10 19 Felipe Massa Williams-Mercedes 1:41.699 1.916 14

 

 

 

:ph34r: 

post #910 of 3089

Hamilton's position alone proves that to not be representative of the actual pace of the field. I'll be interested to see what advantage the new front wing gives the Mercs (like they needed more advantage, but at least it keeps 'em ahead of RBR :rolleyes:)...

post #911 of 3089

 

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Originally Posted by Exediron View Post
 

Hamilton's position alone proves that to not be representative of the actual pace of the field. I'll be interested to see what advantage the new front wing gives the Mercs (like they needed more advantage, but at least it keeps 'em ahead of RBR :rolleyes:)...

That quote is dated by now :D

 

Feels really weird that Alonsos Ferrari would be that close but I recon Mercedes just run max saving mode on the engine will want to run their first engine as long as they can while they are so dominant I recon why push it.

It would be quite a shocker if this would be an indication of true race pace though. 

 

Riccardo once again outdrives Vettel and I won´t even mention Maldonado. It´s not even funny. Is he psyched by internet or something? He did a Hamilton into the pit wall and he spun on formation lap and then almost did it again fiddling with the wheel settings.

 

But that is no joke look at this insane what micro they have to do at race pace. 

 

On my f1 inspired T500RS wheel I have like a fifth of those functions but it´s hard enough ;)


Edited by oqvist - 4/18/14 at 8:00am
post #912 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Pudu View Post

The advantages of the Merc are derived from the overall design - putting the turbo and compressor at opposite ends. That is very much copy-able. The real question is how far along Honda is on their own power plant. I'd be surprised if they could scrap their design and start over from scratch at this point. Macca will have already started designing their 2015 car around whatever Honda has got. Whether they have already thought of this approach, or whether they can modify what they have got to take advantage of this ... who knows.

 

 

I get all the technical stuff and why the Mercs are fast but... What in the world is going on with Merc's customer teams??? Mclaren, Williams, Force India.... They all have the same powerplant.... not the same design (aero) philosophy mind you nor the inside info but the same powerplant.... They are nowhere near the Silver Arrows!!!! I don't know when the Merc customer teams got their engines (before preseason testing) but let's hope they can change their aero packages rather quickly and give red bull and ferrari some issues throughout the remainder of the season.... 

 

 

 

 

 

P.S. I 'm still trying to find that pic so I can tell my hilarious F1 story from Austin..... but in the mean time....

 

 

 

Lewis says it best about the engine roar.....(You were spot on Pudu!!!)

 

 

 

 

 

and if Nico still can't keep pace (even with all of Lewis' telemetry to help him: braking points,

shift points, harvesting points, etc.) maybe Bluetooth is the answer???:blink:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's gonna be a long night!!! Let the Race Begin!!

 

 

 

Peace....:L3000:

post #913 of 3089
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Originally Posted by Herueyes View Post
 

I get all the technical stuff and why the Mercs are fast but... What in the world is going on with Merc's customer teams??? Mclaren, Williams, Force India.... They all have the same powerplant.... not the same design (aero) philosophy mind you nor the inside info but the same powerplant.... They are nowhere near the Silver Arrows!!!! I don't know when the Merc customer teams got their engines (before preseason testing) but let's hope they can change their aero packages rather quickly and give red bull and ferrari some issues throughout the remainder of the season....

 

In the dry, the Merc customer teams have seemed quite capable of challenging Red Bull and Ferrari from time to time (Both McLarens in Melbourne, Hulk in Malaysiya, Perez in Bahrain to name a few) - it's just that Mercedes itself is the only Merc engined team who seem to have a truly top-of-the-line aero and chassis package at the moment. Hopefully the Spain upgrades will equalize things a bit.

 

Race Prediction (Click to show)
1st Hamlton
2nd Rosberg
3rd Vettel
4th Ricciardo
5th Alonso
6th Hulkenberg
???

 

At this point, I'd be willing to bet on Hamilton ending this season as a 2x WDC. I'm no Hamilton fan, but it seems a bit overdue.

post #914 of 3089

I used to be a Hamilton fan, when he was at McLaren...

post #915 of 3089
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Originally Posted by 62ohm View Post
 

I used to be a Hamilton fan, when he was at McLaren...

 

I'm still a McLaren (hard though that has been for the last year-and-a-bit) fan and yes, a bit of that has carried over - but mostly I just think Hamilton (together with Raikkonen and Alonso, although I'm afraid Raikkonen's window to get another one is pretty much shut - I'd love to be proven wrong, though) is just a driver who deserves more championships than he has on the strength of his ability. And there are perhaps drivers - not naming any :rolleyes: - who might possibly deserve a few less than they might have on the strength of their ability...

 

Or maybe Ricciardo is destined to be counted among the greatest of all time?

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