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post #361 of 1287

What a screw up for Nico.

post #362 of 1287

That's what they get for putting in the lowest possible time they think will make it into the next session. If everyone wasn't so concerned about tyre wear they could push in every session and something like that wouldn't happen...

 

Anyway, since I'm actually posting here before the race for a change I'll play the gambling man and put down my predictions:

 

Realistic:

1 Sebastian Vettel, who will pass Hamilton aggressively on the first lap and build a 2+ second gap by the time DRS is enabled

2 Lewis Hamilton, who I think will hang on to P2 but won't have the pace to match Vettel

3 Kimi Raikkonen, who has shown some great pace all weekend and doesn't make mistakes

4 Fernando Alonso, who will make his way through traffic probably before the first pit stop but be unable to challenge for the podium successfully

5 Mark Webber, who will probably get mugged off the line and have to fight back through the pack

6 Nico Rosberg will probably make it up here or so

7 Felipe Massa, whom I'm sure Alonso is 'faster than' even if he's having trouble getting past :D

8 Paul Di Resta, who is always very good at recovering from a lackluster qualifying

9 Daniel Ricciardo, who I don't think can hope to hold onto sixth but has shown some pretty strong pace of late

10 Jenson Button, who I'll hold out hope for sticking to the top 10 at least

 

... and Romain Grosjean will squander his qualifying position and possibly crash.

 

Fantasy:

1 Kimi Raikkonen, because after 16 races he deserves a freakin' win here

2 Mark Webber, because it's his last season and I love it when he finishes above Vettel evil_smiley.gif

3 Lewis Hamilton, because I don't really want him to crash and there's no other way he's probably going to fall off the podium

4 Jenson Button, proving that McLaren have astonishingly found their race pace again

5 Nico Rosberg, who I think deserves it after his team screwed up his strategy

6 Sergio Perez, for the same reasons as Jenson

7 Paul Di Resta, just because I needed to fill this place and he's an okay guy

8 Valtteri Bottas, because Williams have found their race pace as well!

9 Jean-Eric Vergne, because it would crack me up to have him above Vettel

10 Sebastian Vettel, as a consolation prize - I don't want him to crash, I just want the championship to get close again

 

It's not so much that I don't like Vettel - although his massive ego and extreme entitlement complex doesn't help - but I really don't want a return to the Schumacher years of one team and one driver dominating everything. The difference is that Schumacher clearly understood that his team was the reason he was dominant and didn't so much think he was God's gift to driving, whereas you get the impression that Vettel honestly believes he got where he is purely on talent. I'm not saying he isn't a great driver, but as far as getting into the exclusive club of 4-time world champions, to use his own words 'he (doesn't) deserve it'. Maybe later, but not yet, and not in a row. 3 world championships strung out over 10 years speaks of great ability - 3 in a row speaks of a great car and a great team.

 

On a side note, it's nice that the tyres seem to be working - hopefully soon everyone can stop ******** about them. I'm sick of hearing about tyres all the time this season.

post #363 of 1287

Just like Berger said :

 

"To be a race winner you need to be very, very talented but to be a world champion, or to be world champion three, four, five times, you need to be extremely selfish, so of course after the race he is saying he is very sorry about it and that he cannot sleep, (but) I think he sleeps very well because this is his nature."

post #364 of 1287

You have to let your team know that you are number one and the other driver is number two.  

post #365 of 1287

Well, that was an exciting race, no question about that - especially right there at the end I could feel my heart beat up a bit as the final chase went down.

 

The rest in spoilers... (Click to show)

For sure it wasn't a very satisfying finish if you're a Kimi fan like me, but I have to admit that was proper racing, and Sebastian really had to work for that one. I think with a 62 lap race we might have seen a leader change, although if Vettel defended to the fullest it might have had to be under DRS. Impressive performance from Grosjean as well. I do wonder if maybe they shouldn't have left Kimi out to do the rest of the race on one tyre - Vettel would have had to close the gap at over 1 second per lap, and I'm not sure he could have done that and overtaken Kimi at the end. We'll never know, though. I also think if he'd just gotten past Grosjean right away he might have been able to make the move on Vettel; he gained half a second per lap after getting out from behind his teammate, but only about 2 tenths before that.

 

Also a good finish for Button, and a refreshing change for McLaren from the last two races. Obviously some disappointments as well - Massa most prominently - but overall I think one of the best races this season. Not sure the safety car was really needed, but it played into a more exciting finish in the end...

 

Lotus certainly showing some impressive pace just like they did at Silverstone, although Mercedes seem to be back to their early season form. Not an impressive day for Ferrari; I think the don't-qualify-go-straight-to-the-medium strategy didn't work when people tried it earlier this season, and it didn't work here either. Right now Lotus and Red Bull seem like the cars to beat in performance, and with his car performing this well I'm not sure a move to Red Bull would be as attractive to Kimi as a lot of people seem to assume. With this rate of improvement he might have the best car (if not the best pit crew and strategy callers tongue_smile.gif) by season end.

 

Definitely looking forward to the next race to see if ***** can capitalize on the pace they showed this weekend and maybe if **** can pass ****** in the championship points. gs1000.gif

post #366 of 1287

The problem with going to Red Bull is Vettel and if Red Bull would be able to support two cars equally or more going by how Vettel want the car setup. Red Bull has a LOT more resources then Lotus so in that sense may be a good move. But it depend on the first and second driver thing highly doubt Kimi would want to go there as second driver. 

 

Would been interesting to see if Kimi could make it on the set of tires he had though I expect the same outcome. Vettel is just used to be pushing 80 % in his über mega race car now I suppose he had to push 90 %. He still always have enough to just pull a gap if he need to which was obvious here as well. They are so fast they can play conservative.

 

As for Ferrari I think their strategy worked splendid. Alonso seem to think they would be nowhere near this finish if they started on the softs and higher up the grid. Just don´t quite have the race pace it seems. 

 

Way to hot to make the Mercedes tires work I imagine so not that surprised seeing they get back the same old problem with tire wear.

Great race anyway but I am so tired seeing exactly everything go Red Bulls way with Hamilton messing up the start. But it´s not luck lol.

post #367 of 1287

Its beginning to look like Vettel is on cue for a 4th. I'm not a fan but I can't help but admire his talent and the team.

post #368 of 1287

It occurs to me - when was the last time we actually saw Vettel overtaken on the track instead of getting passed during a pit stop or due to strategy (or mechanical failure)? Not this year, I don't think. That said, however, I don't agree that he was only pushing 90% at the end - I think he was pretty darn close to 100% and his tyres had just fallen too far off to defend properly, like what happened to Kimi at Silverstone.

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Originally Posted by Exediron View Post

It occurs to me - when was the last time we actually saw Vettel overtaken on the track instead of getting passed during a pit stop or due to strategy (or mechanical failure)? Not this year, I don't think. That said, however, I don't agree that he was only pushing 90% at the end - I think he was pretty darn close to 100% and his tyres had just fallen too far off to defend properly, like what happened to Kimi at Silverstone.

 

I believe in Australia this season. Vettel was on pole, Kimi won, Alonso passed Vettel late in the race to take 2nd.

post #370 of 1287

Its all about qualifying. If the cars are equal, like the Lotus and Red Bull this year, your starting position matters a lot.

 

Honestly I don't know why Kimi went for a pit stop at the last moment. Were the tyres that bad?

post #371 of 1287

Wasn't it to take the soft? Alonso had to for the soft.

post #372 of 1287

No, Kimi started on the soft. I think they were afraid his tyres would degrade too badly and he wouldn't be able to defend from Seb on the last couple of laps, like what happened to him last race. I think from the team's point of view this was the safer strategy - he might come 1st, he might not, but he's definitely not going to come lower than 2nd. That's better from a risk management point of view than leaving him out where he might fall off the cliff and get passed down to 3rd or 4th instead. Would he have been able to make it without a stop? I think so (and he said probably in an interview), but who knows.

 

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Originally Posted by wuwhere View Post

I believe in Australia this season. Vettel was on pole, Kimi won, Alonso passed Vettel late in the race to take 2nd.

 

Just watched (well, skimmed) Australia again: Vettel led until his first pit stop, and Alonso only jumped him by pitting early for his second stop. There still hasn't been an actual successful on-the-track wheel-to-wheel pass of Vettel yet - the closest thing I think would actually have been Mark Webber in Malaysia, when he came out ahead from his pitstop and beat Vettel through the first corner. He didn't hold onto it, but it was basically a pass. :/

post #373 of 1287
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Originally Posted by Exediron View Post

No, Kimi started on the soft. I think they were afraid his tyres would degrade too badly and he wouldn't be able to defend from Seb on the last couple of laps, like what happened to him last race. I think from the team's point of view this was the safer strategy - he might come 1st, he might not, but he's definitely not going to come lower than 2nd. That's better from a risk management point of view than leaving him out where he might fall off the cliff and get passed down to 3rd or 4th instead. Would he have been able to make it without a stop? I think so (and he said probably in an interview), but who knows.

 

Yeah, I think there was something about Kimi having problems with the radio. He didn't want a pit stop because the tyres were fine according to him.

post #374 of 1287

Yeah, the last we heard from Kimi on the subject was the typically enigmatic exchange (I don't remember the exact wording):

 

RADIO: Can you go to the end, Kimi?

RAIKKONEN: I told you!

 

What did he mean? Not sure. Right after that message got played he came in though - although no telling when he actually said it, with the delay to the broadcasting.

 

If I remember right the problem with Kimi's radio was that they could only hear him between a couple of turns (towards the end, I think) but he could hear them the whole time. How much of an effect that had I don't know.

post #375 of 1287

If everybody could hear the communication between the driver and the engineers in real time, wouldn't that expose your strategy? Or it doesn't really matter?

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