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post #301 of 1114
I don't call that passing, I call it forcing the competitor off track. Put walls up where Perez forced them off and they'd be completely wrecked. Poor driving. Perez needs to go.
post #302 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

I don't call that passing, I call it forcing the competitor off track. Put walls up where Perez forced them off and they'd be completely wrecked. Poor driving. Perez needs to go.

This.

post #303 of 1114

It´s legal to steal the racing line. Perez was ahead so Alonso had to go off track to avoid crashing into Perez who took the corner perfectly. Thus he had to let Perez regain his position. Alonso mentioned he didn´t use KERS to let Perez pass so he know the rules :)

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It´s legal to steal the racing line. Perez was ahead so Alonso had to go off track to avoid crashing into Perez who took the corner perfectly. Thus he had to let Perez regain his position. Alonso mentioned he didn´t use KERS to let Perez pass so he know the rules :)

 

You have a point, but counterpoint is the incident...

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

...With Raikkonen. You don't get to divebomb a corner apex with the hopes that the driver in front will give you the space.

post #305 of 1114

I give up on the spoiler tags.  And I'm going back through and watching the race again.  :)

 

 

I misread wuwhere's post as Perez, not Sutil.  I was upset with Perez at the time.

 

Sutil had a perfectly clean pass around Button, a good move.  And Jenson's fault for being way outside coming into the corner here.

 

post #306 of 1114

Here's Perez dive bombing Kimi so hard, that he couldn't make the corner himself, thus Kimi retained the position.

 

 

 

 

 

post #307 of 1114

And here's Sutil making the pass on Alonso.  Same thing as Button, he catches the other driver making a wide entry into the corner and sneaks the car up the inside.

 

 

 

"A very compliant Alonso" David Coulthard said.

post #308 of 1114

And here's the "**** you Perez" from Kimi.  biggrin.gif

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry if I ruined it for anyone.  biggrin.gif

post #309 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Planar_head View Post

 

You have a point, but counterpoint is the incident...

 

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

...With Raikkonen. You don't get to divebomb a corner apex with the hopes that the driver in front will give you the space.

That is more questionable but from both parts. Kimi should have shut the door earlier so he is not at all free from blaim. Thus RI.

post #310 of 1114

Perez and Raikkonen blame each other for collision <- that's a link to F1.com


Edited by Eee Pee - 5/27/13 at 9:01am
post #311 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

And here's the "**** you Perez" from Kimi.  biggrin.gif

 

Sorry if I ruined it for anyone.  biggrin.gif

You actually made me want to watch the race now. biggrin.gif

post #312 of 1114
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Originally Posted by oqvist View Post

That is more questionable but from both parts. Kimi should have shut the door earlier so he is not at all free from blaim. Thus RI.

 

Raikkonen had the racing line; if he moved in to close the door, he would have messed up the entrance to the chicane, thus slowing him down from the rest of the pack in front of him.

If he did move in, then he might have end up cutting the chicane altogether and then Perez would complain.

 

He could've also just let him pass (since it's obvious that Perez braked late) but then Raikkonen might still have lost time.

 

Raikkonen didn't make a mistake and defend at the last minute (like what Alonso could've done at the hairpin), so I feel that all of the blame should lie on Perez.

 

EDIT: Not that anything should come of it.


Edited by Planar_head - 5/27/13 at 10:47am
post #313 of 1114

Good thing the race heated up a bit towards the end, because frankly it wasn't too interesting at the start. I never really like Monaco, though - very little room to pass, so you pretty much know who's going to win after qualifying.

 

PS: I think Perez's driving was dangerous and reckless, and I'm glad Kimi gave him what he had coming. You can't just hurl yourself into a corner and hope the other driver gets out of the way - unless you're Ayrton Senna, at least, in which case people would hail it as a brilliant move. But at least Senna knew how to recover from his own maneuvers. Sutil did it better and more safely than Perez here.

post #314 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Exediron View Post

Good thing the race heated up a bit towards the end, because frankly it wasn't too interesting at the start. I never really like Monaco, though - very little room to pass, so you pretty much know who's going to win after qualifying.

 

PS: I think Perez's driving was dangerous and reckless, and I'm glad Kimi gave him what he had coming. You can't just hurl yourself into a corner and hope the other driver gets out of the way - unless you're Ayrton Senna, at least, in which case people would hail it as a brilliant move. But at least Senna knew how to recover from his own maneuvers. Sutil did it better and more safely than Perez here.

The thing about Senna though is that he had full control the majority of the time while Perez was just shoving his car into the chicane every chance he got and hoped the other person would give him room. It was not like what Senna did at all. Perez never had control over his car and was just endangering everyone he pulled a move on.

post #315 of 1114
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Originally Posted by Eee Pee View Post

I don't call that passing, I call it forcing the competitor off track. Put walls up where Perez forced them off and they'd be completely wrecked. Poor driving. Perez needs to go.

Yep.

Perez would have never made the corner no matter what Kimi did. You can take the racing line provided you leave them enough space/time to go somewhere. You cannot charge up the inside, slice across the only available path and expect them to disappear. It was a stupid move that deserves a "punch in the face'.

Perez seems to be floundering around looking for the kind of driver he thinks others think he should be. Last year he was consistent, smooth, easy on the tires - more tortoise than hare - right up till he signed with Macca, then he started doing this same kind of move in Suzuka and put himself out of the race. This year McLaren gives him a little hurry up four races in and suddenly he's Senior banzai kamikaze again, and acts like he's entitled to behave that way. He's definitely suffering from not enough experience and seasoning. There are too many good drivers floating around for McLaren to put up with that - especially if they don't need the deep pockets of Mr. Slim (which they may do, I don't know).

Also, it's time for Lotus to bid adieu to M. Grosjean.
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