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The dog ate my JH-13s... - Page 2

post #16 of 30
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Originally Posted by ianmedium View Post


This is one of the most sensible and accurate posts I have seen on Headfi in many years!


I have tried a number of multi driver IEM's and some customs including some demo JH's (Yes, I know I don't get the full experience but it was enough!) I find this fascination for multi driver IEM's confusing as I find every single one I have heard exaggerates sound and smears it as well.

After all my explorations I went back to my trusty old ER4S's and simply enjoy the music now. If you really want custom ear molds for a hundred bucks extra you can have them on these though personally I prefer the three layer insert for isolation and musical performance.

Kind of the point of the new JH13 freq phase update. It has the group delay and phase character of a single driver with the advantages of lower distortion, better balance (IMO) and complete vibration cancellation with 3 pair of siamesed drivers. In fact, I think you'll find the phase character overall better than the ER4. The Er4 is a great phone but it's etched beyond natural and the bass quantity is a few db below accurate IMO. I like the hf5 just as much and recommend them a lot. Not as detailed but less etch. This coming from somebody that likes original Quads, Sonus Auditors and Dynaudio C1s as home speakers so I don't go for extra bass or rolled off highs.

 

It's a custom thread and the OP chose his original while those ER4s were around. Lets not change the subject.

 

I, like the OP prefer the jh13 to the jh16.

 

Of those he mentioned, the 8a is out as it's an extra bass model, the ES5 has a bit more midbass and the uerm has a bit less bass overall compared to the JH13. Heard good things about the Miracle as well.


Edited by goodvibes - 3/23/13 at 4:35am
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by katalyst^ View Post

 



Sorry - after I (hoping against hope) e-mailed JH Audio about the prospects of repairing them and received the inevitable reply ("lol srs?") - I threw them out.

 

Thanks to all for the advice. I've generally been considering flagship products from companies that are either established or for which there are experiences/reviews. On the current list are:

 

Westone ES5

JH Audio JH-13s

Heir Audio 8.A

Ultimate Ears UERM

 

My preference is for neutral and analytical CIEMs, so I've not included a few (for example, JH-16s) that have been designed to have a distinct signature. I've also generally skipped over less-expensive CIEMs, like 1964 or Alclair, on the assumption that those listed offer better performance - I'd rather pay the premium for ultimate performance, because I know I'd just end up with upgrade-itis the day after buying one in the ~$650 range.

 

Just a few questions, then: is it wrong to dismiss the cheaper options, am I missing anything at or above the level of performance of the listed CIEMs, and would I be right to think that those listed can really only be differentiated by their sound signatures, rather than on absolute levels of performance?

I think there is a qualitative difference. There's an ease, focus and evenness of response with my new 13s that I didn't hear from other albeit demo cheaper customs I tried. Can't speak to all the top models but that was my take on these. I think the clarity of cheaper things can be close.

post #18 of 30
Wow that really sucks.
post #19 of 30

confused_face(1).gifOh, you mean the dog part. Ya, bummer.

Kat did you look into doing a reshell? Or did the drivers catch it as well?


Edited by goodvibes - 3/23/13 at 5:44am
post #20 of 30
ouchhh mannn... that's sux a lot
post #21 of 30
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Originally Posted by Swimsonny View Post

There is a lot of new companies to consider now for sure although JH have updated the 13 and 16 with freqphase and they are still some of the best!

 

Worth Checking Out!

 

Heir Audio

Cosmic Ears

Tralucent Audio

FitEar

 

few other but to early to remember there names :P

 

No customs from Tralucent Audio, and I wouldn't recommend FitEar due to FitEar being selective how they want the impression to be done.

post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

Kind of the point of the new JH13 freq phase update. It has the group delay and phase character of a single driver with the advantages of lower distortion, better balance (IMO) and complete vibration cancellation with 3 pair of siamesed drivers. In fact, I think you'll find the phase character overall better than the ER4. The Er4 is a great phone but it's etched beyond natural and the bass quantity is a few db below accurate IMO. I like the hf5 just as much and recommend them a lot. Not as detailed but less etch. This coming from somebody that likes original Quads, Sonus Auditors and Dynaudio C1s as home speakers so I don't go for extra bass or rolled off highs.

It's a custom thread and the OP chose his original while those ER4s were around. Lets not change the subject.

I, like the OP prefer the jh13 to the jh16.

Of those he mentioned, the 8a is out as it's an extra bass model, the ES5 has a bit more midbass and the uerm has a bit less bass overall compared to the JH13. Heard good things about the Miracle as well.

Custom tips are available for the ER4S so I think that the recommendation is fairly on topic, especially since he asked about considering cheaper alternatives.

Maybe you could describe this etch a bit more clearly? And how does the JH13 rectify it? I'm intrigued by the new freq phase feature. Also I don't recall whether the JH13 uses a diffuse field reference? I agree about the ety's bass but that can be rectified to a good extent by filter changes.
post #23 of 30

I reread what I wrote and it came off a bit strong. Sorry.

I actually prefer the top end of the HF5 because it's smoother in character and less hot on top than the 4. That's the etch. I like both quite a bit but I find the current 13 more extended but more even. Just IMO. It's somewhat born out in the response curves but there's more to goodness than response. The 4 is slightly more informative but the top can also get also slightly too cold which makes some things sound over delineated. That's not a bad rap. I prefer it's top to a lot of the TWFKs for instance. Great phone and I could see preference in play here but it, like everything else, is not perfect. If I mixed on it, the result would also have too much bass unless mentally compensated. Like I said, I;m actually a fan as I was of the Phonak 112 with gray filters.bigsmile_face.gif

post #24 of 30
Those phonaks fascinate me though all my money is going to going into a full sized headphone in the near future now that I have my ER4's and PF's for in ear duties.
post #25 of 30
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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

I reread what I wrote and it came off a bit strong. Sorry.

I actually prefer the top end of the HF5 because it's smoother in character and less hot on top than the 4. That's the etch. I like both quite a bit but I find the current 13 more extended but more even. Just IMO. It's somewhat born out in the response curves but there's more to goodness than response. The 4 is slightly more informative but the top can also get also slightly too cold which makes some things sound over delineated. That's not a bad rap. I prefer it's top to a lot of the TWFKs for instance. Great phone and I could see preference in play here but it, like everything else, is not perfect. If I mixed on it, the result would also have too much bass unless mentally compensated. Like I said, I;m actually a fan as I was of the Phonak 112 with gray filters.bigsmile_face.gif

 

I see what youre saying. The red filters would make them a much better earphone for you imo. 

 

post #26 of 30

Perhaps but I still prefer more bass and the highs would be even greater in comparison to the mids. I suspect Etymotic has chosen their trade offs pretty well.

post #27 of 30

But being a single driver BA....and Ety's choice to tune it towards the higher register, the bass is till anemic. With todays advancements in crossover technology, more drivers is better to a certain extent.

 

As one example, the qty and weight of bass is much more apparent with W3 versus W4, yet W4 has 2 bass drivers and the bass surely has more texture and detail.  I would say the added bass driver in the W4 is certainly not marketing or hype.  Same thing with UE900 and perhaps a better example where UE900 is more neutral.

post #28 of 30
Thread Starter 

Apologies for the slow response, which is mainly to thank everyone again for the advice.

 

I'm about to hit order on another pair of JH-13s. Everything that I've read and all of the advice offered seems consistent in viewing them as one of the most neutral sets of CIEMs in that range, and I was happy with my last pair, so that's enough for me! Now I need to close head-fi before it starts to seem like a good idea to open the amps forum etysmile.gif

 

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Originally Posted by goodvibes View Post

confused_face(1).gifOh, you mean the dog part. Ya, bummer.

Kat did you look into doing a reshell? Or did the drivers catch it as well?


Everything was pretty thoroughly mangled, and the JH13s are about the only thing that it has ever destroyed, the malevolent little bastard.

post #29 of 30

Let us know how you feel about old vs new once you have 100hrs or so on them. For someone that's owned them for some time, an A/B shouldn't be needed. General impressions would be great.

post #30 of 30
Thread Starter 

Will do. I hope that FreqPhase provides a perceptible difference, but, having read these forums for years, I'm well aware of the power of expectations :)

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