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post #16 of 83
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Originally Posted by xaval View Post

I heard the M-DAC a while ago, but opted out of buying it. A good DAC, but found it not exceptional around it's price bracket - there are a lot of contenders there.

If you check my sig carefully I own an 8000DAC (Rev III with a couple caps replaced), quite a different animal... vintage :) 

 

Sorry!

I could not decode the Audiolab model number!

post #17 of 83

hi

 

what would one buy between the bushmaster and the bifrost if the price was the same (around $300 AUD). will be feeding a little dot tube amp and HD650s.

post #18 of 83
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hi

what would one buy between the bushmaster and the bifrost if the price was the same (around $300 AUD). will be feeding a little dot tube amp and HD650s.

Hopefully Aidee will respond.
He has a Bi and a Bush.
Read post #2 in this thread.
He prefers the Bush.
Edited by Chris J - 3/2/13 at 5:28am
post #19 of 83
^ I do prefer the bush indeed!

I did an extensive review of three dacs nearly 18 months ago. The bifrost was the cheapest, but performed very well. I concluded the three performed almost at the same level (e.g. detail and clarity), and were mostly different in character (e.g. eastern electric minimax slightly tilted to bass and lower mids).

Although I haven't finished exploring the bushmaster, it seems much more resolving than the bifrost, e.g. instruments and layers in 'thick' music (sounds with similar timbre or harmonics which tend to fuse together) are clearly separated. This is despite bifrost's very slight treble tilt. I think between the two, the bush is simply much more resolving in the mids.

Another difference: the bifrost has detailed but lean bass (some also notice a midbass hump iirc). The bushmaster has detailed bass but much more of it while still being very clear. It's a great match with audeze LCD 2 phones for example, which are very sensitive to bass quality.

The bifrost is rightly considered good value for money. IMO, the bushmaster is astonishing VFM. I completely agree with lugbug's review.
post #20 of 83
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Originally Posted by AiDee View Post

^ I do prefer the bush indeed!

I did an extensive review of three dacs nearly 18 months ago. The bifrost was the cheapest, but performed very well. I concluded the three performed almost at the same level (e.g. detail and clarity), and were mostly different in character (e.g. eastern electric minimax slightly tilted to bass and lower mids).

Although I haven't finished exploring the bushmaster, it seems much more resolving than the bifrost, e.g. instruments and layers in 'thick' music (sounds with similar timbre or harmonics which tend to fuse together) are clearly separated. This is despite bifrost's very slight treble tilt. I think between the two, the bush is simply much more resolving in the mids.

Another difference: the bifrost has detailed but lean bass (some also notice a midbass hump iirc). The bushmaster has detailed bass but much more of it while still being very clear. It's a great match with audeze LCD 2 phones for example, which are very sensitive to bass quality.

The bifrost is rightly considered good value for money. IMO, the bushmaster is astonishing VFM. I completely agree with lugbug's review.

+1 :)

I got a bargain on a Vdac mkII recently and so snapped it up. I used to have the original vdac and thought that it was also hifi bargain, especially when used with a spdif converter. Anways I'm enjoying it and it offers a different sound to the BM.

The Vdac has a really nice tone to it, quite relaxed and refined. Maybe a slight treble roll off. Great bass weight. It is similar in character to my Rdac only the Arcam has more extention at the top and is perhaps a little more resolving in that area. Where the BM beats both is in the dynamics and (as Adidee stated above) better imaging and detail. Expecially in the lower end. The bass on BM is really special. The BM seems to be more brightly lit on top aswell, but not overly. The smoothness of the treble even with dynamic headphones sounds nearer to planar drivers. I know Stan Beresford was on a mission to remove any grain in the sound when he designed this.

 

Rdac - for a relaxed well balanced sound

 

VdacII - for a weightier sound thats easy on the treble.

 

Bushmaster- when you want to hide it behind your rig and fool peeps that you have a very high end dac!!

post #21 of 83
Thx guys, very much appreciated. I think I will give the bm a go. I can get a new bm for the price of a used bifrost here in Australia, so makes decision easier. Hope my hd650s get along with the DAC esp in the lower end. Again thx for you very quick responses to my question, very helpful.
post #22 of 83

First impressions for the Bushmaster with venom upgrade (it's optimized for LCD2, which I don't own)

Mac Pro > Audirvana Plus > el cheapo optical cable > several Grados family members, all modded; HD600; modded HFI780 (Stax but that's another story and rig)

Music listened was mostly Classic Rock, Prog Rock/Metal, Classic Jazz. Mostly lossless ALAC, but ripped a few tracks in AAC @250ish and 192.

 

Pros: Very, very detailed; Fast paced; Amazing bass: articulate, textured, impactful; excellent for voices: you can hear voices as clearly as I have ever been able to, amazing; drumming in general is excellent as well as most instruments in general -> great timbre and loads of texture!; macrodynamics are incredible. It retrieves a lot of around the scene info since all audible cues that were captured by the mic just pop out of nowhere; Transparent. Great case/faceplate combo for the price; Apparently a linear PSU will  improve a lot of things I hear and I plan on getting one as they can be had for not a lot of cash (this will lower the bang for the buck factor, though)

 

Not as good: Not a lot of air on the highs (not a lot of air in general, but this is not a sissy's music DAC as it's very engaging); Can sound congested in complex music; Microdynamics seem a couple of rows behing if this makes sense; Hot upper mids which can make Grados sound a bit tiring, but hey... it's a Grado (which I love too much); In your ears sound: little soundstage; Lossy music sounds... lossy when looking at redbook; Bad mastering sounds just like that; Volume control feels a bit flimsy; Not great at low listening levels as channel imbalance kicks in (no biggie for me)

 

Cons: analog RCA outs are too close for some of my ICs. Wireworld Gold Eclipse connectors barely fit... but they cost several times the Bush. 

 

Last note: The HD600 (old drivers, stock cable) sound really amazing with this puppy. The HFI780 bass is the best I ever got out of anything with them.

 

Overall: Sounds like an amazing product for the price. Unbelievable, really, how little cash can get you so much overall quality.

post #23 of 83
Thread Starter 

Nice impressions xaval thanks :)

post #24 of 83
+1. Although I'm undecided about burn-in, I'm interested in any changes to your impressions after a few tens of hours xaval.
post #25 of 83

AiDee, I bought this used in the FS section, so I'm afraid I won't be of much help on burn in here. I do notice that it doesn't seem to be needing any warm up - it just starts great off the bat.

 

There seems to be something different with the sound coming out of this DAC and I still need for it to sink in. It sounds different of what I'm mostly used to listening and it's disconcerting not being able to pinpoint what it is. I posted those impressions with no preparation and I wrote that it sounds transparent and also a bit hot on upper mids. It's this part I'm having trouble with... I think :)

 

I've plugged it onto the Audiolab transport into the Jadis off the Headtap - not factoring in the exotic cables and tubes, there's a rather large price difference with the transport and a huge one with the amp and the disconcerting (great sound) is even better - this is a great achievment for the guy who built this. Funny how there seems to be very little headstage with headphones but with the big Dunlavy's there's a huge wall of sound all around. I wouldn't have noticed this not-so-good aspect if I were using only the loudspeakers.

 

I'll keep on playing with this DAC with the computer as well as with some more kit and discover a bit more about it. Then I'll get the PSU and see what it does to the overall sound as I'm really pleased with it and I've listened to a lot of stuff over the years.

post #26 of 83
oh right, cheers! Keep those impressions coming, very useful.

Chris J will be interested in the PSU impact too.
post #27 of 83

How does this one compare?

 

Beresford TC-7520 DAC USB/COAX/TOSLINK 24bit/96Khz

post #28 of 83

They appear to be different products. Besides, there's a whole different world of mods available for the 7520 that will surely change the sound. 7520 has USB whilst the Bush does not.

 

It is my understanding, from what I was able to gather on other boards where this product is much more popular, that the vast majority of owners prefer the Bushmaster out of the box to any other type of 7520 with a lot more money thrown at it. There are a few others that prefer the 7510 to the 7520... As always it should be the result of the mix between personal preferences with system matching.

 

The maker of the Bushmaster seems to be quite clear that this DAC is his best effort yet: sound and design.

post #29 of 83
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by xaval View Post

AiDee, I bought this used in the FS section, so I'm afraid I won't be of much help on burn in here. I do notice that it doesn't seem to be needing any warm up - it just starts great off the bat.

 

There seems to be something different with the sound coming out of this DAC and I still need for it to sink in. It sounds different of what I'm mostly used to listening and it's disconcerting not being able to pinpoint what it is. I posted those impressions with no preparation and I wrote that it sounds transparent and also a bit hot on upper mids. It's this part I'm having trouble with... I think :)

 

I've plugged it onto the Audiolab transport into the Jadis off the Headtap - not factoring in the exotic cables and tubes, there's a rather large price difference with the transport and a huge one with the amp and the disconcerting (great sound) is even better - this is a great achievment for the guy who built this. Funny how there seems to be very little headstage with headphones but with the big Dunlavy's there's a huge wall of sound all around. I wouldn't have noticed this not-so-good aspect if I were using only the loudspeakers.

 

I'll keep on playing with this DAC with the computer as well as with some more kit and discover a bit more about it. Then I'll get the PSU and see what it does to the overall sound as I'm really pleased with it and I've listened to a lot of stuff over the years.

Yeah I noticed a big improvement from the output rather than the headphone out. The bass and treble are much more balanced and controlled. I think most of the lessons and mods learn't from the previous incarnations are adapted here.

post #30 of 83

I don't think my Bush was that heavily used, as the sound just opened up these last couple of days. Maybe there's some burn in left to be done, or maybe it's my brain that's adapting confused_face(1).gif

 

Anyway, the sound just opened up a bit more. There's more extended highs and a bit less congestion. Listened to a few orchestral recordings and brass and percussion are so fleshed out it's amazing; great music foundation that shakes the ears! The attack on some instruments really pulls you in on some passages.

 

I went back to Stan's website to check on the price again... unbelievable... I don't recommend this product to anyone as it plays games with your brain.

 

Grado's harshness has left the building, even on the 325is drivers. Listening to Sara K. now, and that low voice with the fingers slipping on the acoustic guitar is simply a marvelous emotional trip. Time to switch this from the computer desk and move on to the audio listening room :)

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