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post #646 of 666
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Originally Posted by fzman View Post
 

I took the plunge and got the H3 headphones and both the solid state M10 and the tubed M20 amps.  I am listening to them now (the M20 combo).  I have not opened up the amps to look inside, and I am not an EE, so I cannot speak to any design criteria, but they are sounding pretty good so far.  I have primarily been a sealed dynamic guy (JVX DX1000 and Denon 7000s), but i am enjoying these so far.  I have not heard any Stax for quite some time (I do own a vintage pair of their entry level round cans SR34? w/ speaker adaptor/energizer that I received as a gift about 15 years ago from a friend who has since passed away).  I haven't hooked them up in a very long time, but the Kingsounds and my recently acquired Koss 950s definitely outpeform them.

 

007 and 009 are of interest to me, with appropriate amp-age, but a lot of people comment that they are bright or aggressive or clinical or edgy, or treble-happy or any of a number of things I do not care for.  (I am not saying they are, just picking up on a vibe I get from listener comments).  The Kingsounds may be a bit forgiving, but they have good bottom in my rig, and are pretty dynamic, and easy to listen to.  

 

The KS-H3 seems to be a big step up (a BIG step up) from the earlier models. 

 

By all means please give us more comments as you get more listening time in. 

post #647 of 666

FYI, Stax has lowered prices on some of their products on the US website.

 

https://www.staxusa.com/

 

The SR-407 with a vacuum tube amp is $1775. 

 

Seems more appealing than the $2250 Kingrex wants for their phone/tube-amp combo. 

 

The SRM-323S amp (a nice little amp) has dropped from $999 to $875.

 

The SR-007MKII is now $2350.

post #648 of 666

Depends what source and material is being used. IMO many DAC's and recordings now I would describe as compressed, bright or aggressive or clinical or edgy, or treble-happy, it gives an artificial sense of detail !.On many dynamics you wont notice this so much, but with stats they tend to lay everything bare.

 

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Originally Posted by fzman View Post
 

007 and 009 are of interest to me, with appropriate amp-age, but a lot of people comment that they are bright or aggressive or clinical or edgy, or treble-happy or any of a number of things I do not care for.  (I am not saying they are, just picking up on a vibe I get from listener comments).  The Kingsounds may be a bit forgiving, but they have good bottom in my rig, and are pretty dynamic, and easy to listen to.  

post #649 of 666
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Originally Posted by complin View Post   Depends what source and material is being used. IMO many DAC's and recordings now I would describe as compressed, bright or aggressive or clinical or edgy, or treble-happy, it gives an artificial sense of detail !.On many dynamics you wont notice this so much, but with stats they tend to lay everything bare.

 

 

I agree-- there is no shortage of bad hifi and recordings out there.  That said, I think there is something of an art to be able to combine technical engineering skill with a musically sophisticated ear to be able to come up with gear and recordings that honor the music without being drastically colored, rolled off, etc...

 

The somewhat notorious Harvey Rosenberg, aka 'Gizmo' once said that the key to making great stereo equipment was knowing what mistakes to make....

Hearing a soundstage and imaging and natural tonality and timbre involves a certain amount of willful suspension of disbelief, not unlike when watching a movie or reading a book.  Done well, we can temporarily accept a number of events and situations we know are not 'real'....  done poorly, its trash or camp (Troma anyone?)

 

I guess part of what I am trying to say is that gear can only work with the signal presented, but any gear that makes bad recordings sound even worse than they are is not accurate, or neutral or technically good -- it's garbage.  On the other hand, gear that lets you know the differences between various recordings and ancillary gear, but still manages to make the music available in a way that is still (somewhat) enjoyable, is brilliant.  YMMV 

post #650 of 666
Not sure how well recieved Steve Guttenberg is on head-fi, but here's an interesting article I saw a couple days ago... He is pretty much praising these to be way more resolving than, Audeze, Hifiman, Beyer T1, or any other TOTL dynamic./ planar.... I know these are electrostatic but these are some pretty wild claims coming from a can that costs $870.

http://www.cnet.com/news/astonishing-headphones-with-clarity-like-youve-never-heard-before/
Edited by Jimmyf1312 - 6/25/14 at 11:35pm
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I guess someone understood how to generate web traffic ... Know whose ear you can trust is my best advice there.

post #652 of 666
That guy praises everything. He is a paid advertiser.
They sound OK, and for the same money you can get a Stax set.
post #653 of 666
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Originally Posted by gilency View Post

That guy praises everything. He is a paid advertiser.
They sound OK, and for the same money you can get a Stax set.

 

 

So you had a chance to hear a pair then?   Where was this?   

post #654 of 666
Newport recent audio show.
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The 'phones might be only $850, but don't forget you need to buy a special amplifier as well.  They won't work with the same amplifier you use for your dynamic headphones.

 

They also use a different bias than Stax headphones, and although the US retailer has said that the Kingsound headphones are compatible with Stax amplifiers, I would like to read some comments from Stax amp owners who have actually used some / all of the various Kingsound models on their T-1, etc.  I'd also love to hear from people who've tried the Kingsound 'phones on KGSSHV / Blue Hawaii / T-2  amps.  

 

My concern is that if you used the Kingsound on Stax amps with their higher bias that you'd end up arcing the things on loud passages. Maybe this doesn't happen, but I wouldn't want to spend $850 to find out that it DOES happen.  I also wonder if the warranty is honored if you blow the things up on a KGSSHV....

 

(FYI Koss ESP-950's have a lifetime warranty, they'll fix / replace them no matter what amp you use. I wonder why other electrostatic mfg.'s don't stand behind their products like Koss.)


Edited by milosz - 7/21/14 at 12:41am
post #656 of 666

kingsound documentation is clearly wrong and probably for a reason.

The measured bias on both the solid state and tube amp are the same

as high bias stax, if not a little higher on the tube amp due to an unregulated

power supply. Got the upgraded headphones back from drew and they

are better than the original, but really about the same as the low end stax

headphones.

post #657 of 666
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post
 

kingsound documentation is clearly wrong and probably for a reason.

The measured bias on both the solid state and tube amp are the same

as high bias stax, if not a little higher on the tube amp due to an unregulated

power supply. Got the upgraded headphones back from drew and they

are better than the original, but really about the same as the low end stax

headphones.

 

You would think they would WANT to emphasis compatibility with Stax to enhance sales, and provide a clear upgrade path - even if this upgrade was eventually to higher-end Stax equipment - ie. start with us for a low price then upgrade either amp or phones as funds allow ... bizarre!

post #658 of 666
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Originally Posted by kevin gilmore View Post
 

kingsound documentation is clearly wrong and probably for a reason.

The measured bias on both the solid state and tube amp are the same

as high bias stax, if not a little higher on the tube amp due to an unregulated

power supply. Got the upgraded headphones back from drew and they

are better than the original, but really about the same as the low end stax

headphones.

 

Very interesting. Thanks for the actual information / experience.

post #659 of 666
I've used the original King Sounds from several Stax amps (717, 252), Woo GES, and KGSShv with no troubles. I'll try the BHSE when it arrives, but I expect the same results, as indicated they are fine with Pro bias.

They certainly sound better from all of these Amps than they do from the KS amps.

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Originally Posted by milosz View Post

The 'phones might be only $850, but don't forget you need to buy a special amplifier as well.  They won't work with the same amplifier you use for your dynamic headphones.

They also use a different bias than Stax headphones, and although the US retailer has said that the Kingsound headphones are compatible with Stax amplifiers, I would like to read some comments from Stax amp owners who have actually used some / all of the various Kingsound models on their T-1, etc.  I'd also love to hear from people who've tried the Kingsound 'phones on KGSSHV / Blue Hawaii / T-2  amps.  

My concern is that if you used the Kingsound on Stax amps with their higher bias that you'd end up arcing the things on loud passages. Maybe this doesn't happen, but I wouldn't want to spend $850 to find out that it DOES happen.  I also wonder if the warranty is honored if you blow the things up on a KGSSHV....

(FYI Koss ESP-950's have a lifetime warranty, they'll fix / replace them no matter what amp you use. I wonder why other electrostatic mfg.'s don't stand behind their products like Koss.)
post #660 of 666
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Originally Posted by shipsupt View Post

I've used the original King Sounds from several Stax amps (717, 252), Woo GES, and KGSShv with no troubles. I'll try the BHSE when it arrives, but I expect the same results, as indicated they are fine with Pro bias.

They certainly sound better from all of these Amps than they do from the KS amps.

 

 

I see, OK, that's good to confirm.  Thanks.

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