King Sound Emperor: New Electrostatic Headphones! - Page 3

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Originally Posted by K_19 

It's always good to see more competitors in the market. Wonder how they'd compare with the ESP950s or the Lambdas which are in their price range...

I reckon they'll be essentially competing with orthos, which have, to some degree, taken the place of (the concept of) cheap 'stats (Koss excepted).  In China they'll be going up against Stax themselves soon enough as well. If anything, this will help Stax there as the more 'stats there are available, the more attention Stax will get.

I'm having such a hard time looking at these and swallowing the grand title name... and given these are reported to be just under the 1K$ rooftop it's seems like some kind of self-humor.

Well it's better then taking yourself Abyssmaly serious i suppose.

Same plug for incompatible transducers... what a brilliant idea.  I thought stupid stuff like this died out in the 70's with the old Koss models and the Stax OEM's? 

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Originally Posted by Questhate 

 

Just curious, what part of the design is fail? Care to expand a bit? 

Worst "cross over" I've ever seen.  The drivers are M-L levels of simple so certainly nothing fancy but the crossovers just reminds me of all those Chinese tube amps, crap load of parts thrown at a problem which would have been avoided with proper engineering.  Now with the speakers this is fine as they can be had dirt cheap through the right channels but these headphones are not cheap.  The Stax SRS-2170 has a MSRP of 850$ in the US and the Koss ESP950 can be had for under 700$. 

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Originally Posted by spritzer 

Same plug for incompatible transducers... what a brilliant idea.  I thought stupid stuff like this died out in the 70's with the old Koss models and the Stax OEM's? 

 

Worst "cross over" I've ever seen.  The drivers are M-L levels of simple so certainly nothing fancy but the crossovers just reminds me of all those Chinese tube amps, crap load of parts thrown at a problem which would have been avoided with proper engineering.  Now with the speakers this is fine as they can be had dirt cheap through the right channels but these headphones are not cheap.  The Stax SRS-2170 has a MSRP of 850$ in the US and the Koss ESP950 can be had for under 700$. 

From your comments it seems to me that you have very intimate knowledge about the design and performance of both the King Sound Emperor amplifier and headphone. Did you happen to have a sample sent to you for evaluation?

If so, could you explain, in as layman terms as possible, what amplifier topology the King Sound Emperor product is using, and what do you mean by cross over?  What crap load of parts did you find inside the amplifier? And what problems do these crap load of parts attempt to solve?

Also, what problems do you see with the headphone itself? Do you have frequency response curves (L/R channels) and/or a THD curves to illustrate some of the issues you experienced with this product?

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Originally Posted by ultrabike 

 

From your comments it seems to me that you have very intimate knowledge about the design and performance of both the King Sound Emperor amplifier and headphone. Did you happen to have a sample sent to you for evaluation?

 

If so, could you explain, in as layman terms as possible, what amplifier topology the King Sound Emperor product is using, and what do you mean by cross over?  What crap load of parts did you find inside the amplifier? And what problems do these crap load of parts attempt to solve?

 

Also, what problems do you see with the headphone itself? Do you have frequency response curves (L/R channels) and/or a THD curves to illustrate some of the issues you experienced with this product?

He was talking about King Sound speakers, not these headphones.

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Originally Posted by spritzer 

The drivers are M-L levels of simple so certainly nothing fancy but the crossovers just reminds me of all those Chinese tube amps, crap load of parts thrown at a problem which would have been avoided with proper engineering. 

I agree but not of all them are bad, just most of the cheap stuff out there but it applies the same to everything as well made from other countries.

Curious about these. I don't hold my breath though as the devil is in the details. At least, the company already has experience with estat products. While DIY of stat headphones may be relatively accessible, ensuring consistency and durability takes it to a different ballgame alltogether.

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Originally Posted by ultrabike 

 

From your comments it seems to me that you have very intimate knowledge about the design and performance of both the King Sound Emperor amplifier and headphone. Did you happen to have a sample sent to you for evaluation?

 

If so, could you explain, in as layman terms as possible, what amplifier topology the King Sound Emperor product is using, and what do you mean by cross over?  What crap load of parts did you find inside the amplifier? And what problems do these crap load of parts attempt to solve?

 

Also, what problems do you see with the headphone itself? Do you have frequency response curves (L/R channels) and/or a THD curves to illustrate some of the issues you experienced with this product?

I was indeed talking about the speakers they make, not the headphones.  I first heard about them a few months ago but not a whole lot of useful information had surfaced at that point.  The spec sheet is pretty much useless as well so I guess I'll have to get a set and strip it down. 

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Originally Posted by DefQon 

I agree but not of all them are bad, just most of the cheap stuff out there but it applies the same to everything as well made from other countries.

There are some ok ones but they are few and far between.  The ones that really scare me are the 211/845 amps... that is a lot of voltage in there and that plus cheap components just screams fire hazard. 

@dear Spritzer

    can it be appropriately driven by Stax SRM 300  modded that I got from you?  if it can, this will be a very good news

for me .  How's about  the Stax energizer , will it do the job too?  thanks

Should be well within spec off the 500V output but I can't say so definitely not having measured the drivers.  

Absolute Sound Robert Greene reviewed their 6K speaker last Feb and liked the speaker but he did have to use a Sanders amp to get the best out of them. He said the Bryston 500W amp couldnt get the treble to sing properly.In the end he thought it was a well designed and engineered product for the money. It will be interesting to see how the impressions come out when this is released.

I'm going to venture a guess here and say those comments about it being well engineered never involved actually taking it apart?