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post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by bassophile View Post

 

Thanks,

 

So the DT880 will give stronger sub-bass, and the HD650 will give stronger mid-bass?

 

Am I right in thinking that very few tracks actually have any sub-bass in them though? For example, if I listen to rock or metal music, even the kick drum, bass guitar and low palm muted guitar (the lowest sounds heard in rock or metal) fall under the 'mid-bass' category, don't they? None of them have frequencies that actually go down as low as the 'sub-bass' category? Only very low sine sweeps in the bassiest of electronic music actually have any sub-bass, isn't that right?

 

So, since the HD650 has stronger mid-bass but weaker sub-bass, it will sound much bassier than the DT880 on pretty much all genres, because no genres apart from highly specialized bass-centric electronic music actually have any sub-bass content anyway?

 

Heya,

 

Lots of instruments, reverbs, echos, and end roll offs of a string or drum instrument have sub-bass in them. Load a digital equalizer and play some music and watch the bars. Even one of those will show some 40~60hz tones bumping pretty often. I notice it immediately when they're not there. But I'm a sub-bass head, I love everything under 50hz or so. I have acoustic music (DiFranco) that even has some sub-bass thumps just from different effects, tons of music has things like a big kick drum, or even a gentle thump on a cello instrument body, etc. Even classical; hell, especially classical.

 

Sub-bass is not just part of electronic and other assumed "bassy" music. There is mid-bass and sub-bass in nearly all music. If sub-bass is missing, jazz and classical to me sounds very lifeless and hallow, it's amazing how it's there and don't realize until it's gone.

 

But I will say the difference between the HD650 and the DT880's bass is not night and day or anything. We're talking subtly different. The main stark difference that is very noticeable on the other hand between those two headphones is that the Beyer is brighter (higher treble peaks) and the HD650 has a very apparent treble roll off so it sounds darker, more mellow, less sugar on top.

 

I keep thinking the HE400 would be absolutely wonderful for your needs as it does literally everything well.

 

Very best,

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by MalVeauX View Post

 

Heya,

 

Lots of instruments, reverbs, echos, and end roll offs of a string or drum instrument have sub-bass in them. Load a digital equalizer and play some music and watch the bars. Even one of those will show some 40~60hz tones bumping pretty often. I notice it immediately when they're not there. But I'm a sub-bass head, I love everything under 50hz or so. I have acoustic music (DiFranco) that even has some sub-bass thumps just from different effects, tons of music has things like a big kick drum, or even a gentle thump on a cello instrument body, etc. Even classical; hell, especially classical.

 

Sub-bass is not just part of electronic and other assumed "bassy" music. There is mid-bass and sub-bass in nearly all music. If sub-bass is missing, jazz and classical to me sounds very lifeless and hallow, it's amazing how it's there and don't realize until it's gone.

 

But I will say the difference between the HD650 and the DT880's bass is not night and day or anything. We're talking subtly different. The main stark difference that is very noticeable on the other hand between those two headphones is that the Beyer is brighter (higher treble peaks) and the HD650 has a very apparent treble roll off so it sounds darker, more mellow, less sugar on top.

 

I keep thinking the HE400 would be absolutely wonderful for your needs as it does literally everything well.

 

Very best,

 

Thanks, that was educational. I may look into the HE400, but it remains a tad out of my budget for the time being.

 

So, whereas you said the difference in bass quantity between the HD650 and DT880 is marginal, you think the difference in bass quantity between either of those and the K701 would be much more apparent? (With the K701 having much less?)

post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by bassophile View Post

 

Thanks, that was educational. I may look into the HE400, but it remains a tad out of my budget for the time being.

 

 

 

Is it? Yet you're considering the HD650. I thought they were around the same price.

 

The DT880 on the other hand can be had (if you're prepared to wait) for around half that price. Total bargain.  

post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by pp312 View Post

 

Is it? Yet you're considering the HD650. I thought they were around the same price.

 

The DT880 on the other hand can be had (if you're prepared to wait) for around half that price. Total bargain.  

 

I have the HD650 already, and the HD650, believe it or not used to be roughly the same price new as the DT880/K701 are available now (they were only slightly more expensive), five years ago. Nowadays the HD600 is about £100 more than the HD650 used to be. The HD600 is a good £150 more than the K701. That's insane to me; I thought technology is meant to get cheaper as it becomes dated? Although, having said that, on Amazon UK, the HD600 is actually selling new for £20 more than the HD650 new. The pricing is just all over the place.

 

But yes, in the UK, the HE400 costs about £400 new, and the K701 can be had new for £150 - they are not even in the same pricing league at the moment.


Edited by bassophile - 1/30/13 at 5:16am
post #20 of 20

The UK does seem to be a very odd bird in terms of pricing. Here in OZ, and I believe in the US, the 650 was never really cheap. There may have been odd pockets, but here the 650 has never dropped below $400 and is more usually $500, which is about the price of a 400.

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