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Originally Posted by CharlesC View Post
 

Mike.  Dude.  Please clarify. Are you saying that Geek may kill microStreamer for demanding headphones like your Audeze or are you saying it's gonna kill across the board? I mean, the Audeze were always kind of a stretch for the microStreamer anyway, right?

 

I'm reading over on the Geek thread how people want to find the perfect version for both their IEMs and their HD650s. WTF?

 

the geek pulse should do that just fine with its gain switches.

post #752 of 1104
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Originally Posted by kenshinhimura View Post

the geek pulse should do that just fine with its gain switches.

Oh. I thought they had different models with different gains.
post #753 of 1104
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CharlesC View Post
 

Mike.  Dude.  Please clarify. Are you saying that Geek may kill microStreamer for demanding headphones like your Audeze or are you saying it's gonna kill across the board? I mean, the Audeze were always kind of a stretch for the microStreamer anyway, right?

 

I'm reading over on the Geek thread how people want to find the perfect version for both their IEMs and their HD650s. WTF?

hey @CharlesC  - 

 

Sorry man - I shoulda clarified for sure!!

I think the GEEK (the smaller, USB-dongle style DAC/amp combo version, that we heard and reported on HERE at Audio360.org in our CanJam report,

and that I covered in The Daily Swarm HERE - the component for which they threw the first Kickstarter campaign) COULD be a microStreamer

killer ALL AROUND.

 

I'm not referring to any of the subsequent, larger GEEK components (like the Pulse, Blue, X, etc...)

 

But as soon as I get one and form more than initial impressions I'll report on it pronto!!

 

and YES, the reason I often to refer to the MS driving my Audeze LCD-3's (and did so in my review of the MS for Positive Feedback)

is because it surprised me so much that it actually drove them well enough to engage me so deeply in the music!

It's definitely a stretch. I use less power-hungry cans with it usually.

post #754 of 1104

Guys, beware of hype. The microStreamer is a proven product. There's also no mention if the GEEK is async, and it's a Kickstarter. Plus, what's the price? Unless you're an early backer, the retail price is $300

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Guess we'll find out...Mike turned me onto the mS, which I'm happy about, and he seems enthusiastic about the Geek, so I'm at least curious.
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Originally Posted by jarrett View Post

Guys, beware of hype. The microStreamer is a proven product. There's also no mention if the GEEK is async, and it's a Kickstarter. Plus, what's the price? Unless you're an early backer, the retail price is $300
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Originally Posted by jarrett View Post
 

Guys, beware of hype. The microStreamer is a proven product. There's also no mention if the GEEK is async, and it's a Kickstarter. Plus, what's the price? Unless you're an early backer, the retail price is $300

 

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Originally Posted by Gilly87 View Post

Guess we'll find out...Mike turned me onto the mS, which I'm happy about, and he seems enthusiastic about the Geek, so I'm at least curious.


I totally agree with the proven product part..i believed the hype and bought the dragonfly, i returned the dragonfly(it wasn't very good) quick smart and got the arcam r dac instead which is proven product!


Edited by martin vegas - 12/29/13 at 7:53am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by jarrett View Post
 

Guys, beware of hype. The microStreamer is a proven product. There's also no mention if the GEEK is async, and it's a Kickstarter. Plus, what's the price? Unless you're an early backer, the retail price is $300

Guys:

 

As I stated - and I'm the one who LOVES the MS so much when I wrote about it originally - before anybody else in the HiFi press, I started this thread!

and truth be told I was VERY nervous about doing that (starting a thread based on a review of mine - I didn't want it to look like I was saying: HEY - look 

at me and what I did - it was more like: LOOK at how GREAT this product is)!! So I s/w Jude and he encouraged me to post the review...

 

As for hype - I heard the GEEK (only the USB-dongle style DAC/headphone amp version) so I'm NOT talking from reading a press release, or from the Kickstarter 

campaign (which has NOTHING to do with anything - Light Harmonic is the company building the GEEK, a "proven" company w/ their class-defying 

DaVinci DAC - something I also got to live with for a long time and LOVED).

 

Plus - lemme reel this BACK a bit:

 

I said it MIGHT, MIGHT be a microStreamer killer! I'm not talkin price (as I don't know) or whatever marketing campaign is behind it...

I think I proved that when I wrote about the microStreamer before there was ANY hype about it, and when the Dragonfly was dominating that space in personal

audio - receiving accolades everywhere! I still like the DFly - but my MS still gets used every week.

 

So sorry if I mistakenly light some fire by openly admitting that I might like a similar product more!

But, again the important word here is MIGHT.

 

Here's a picture of me listening to Nirvana's "Come As You Are" at RMAF 2013 on the GEEK driving my personal LCD-3's,

it might say more than my words can at this point (until I get one):

 

and again, bringin' things back to the MS - man, using it w/ these upcoming Monster DNA Pro over-ears is a striking musical combo!!

A genuine pleasant audible surprise!!

 

I'm not sure of the price of these headphones yet - but, if they're around 200 bucks, this could be a KILLER cans/DAC/Amp starter-kit,

and, hell, for those of us that travel alot  - this might end up being my lightest go-to in-flight kit!

 

(Amarra, MOG, and Spotify as sources):

post #758 of 1104

Just got a MS for my IEMs today. Already updated it to 1.3, but a few questions remain... And to be honest the support website is, well, minimalistic to say the least :)

 

(1) I understand that the NAS firmware means lower power consumption, but does it also mean a lower output level? As I use the HS I´m actually looking for a lowered output, the default is too high for some very sensitive IEMs (only a few volume options).

 

(2) What´s the feedback control in the latest Upstream utility?

 

(3) What´s the difference: Upstream vs Upstream HD?

 

(4) Are there plans for an IEM dedicated firmware? Preferably with a custom gain selectable gain option, so I could use highly sensitive BA´s without fear or accidentally blowing my eardrums / it´s more user friendly to be able to use at least 50% of the volume slider.

post #759 of 1104
Is MOG's 320kbps music somehow superior to Spotify's?
post #760 of 1104

if you're using spotify premium, if should be the same.

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Here´s something that will help those wondering about the same things as I did in my previous post here. Here are some replies I got from Kevin Halverson, posted with his permission:

 

"UpStream is for all Streamer and STAGE products except for the Music Streamer HD; UpStream HD is the utility for the Music Streamer HD. The feedback tab allows for changes to be made to the feedback resolution for various sample rates.  This should not be done with out the direct instructions of myself or someone else at HRT, they are for some hosts (computers, smartphones, etc) that do not behave correctly and this allows us to make adjustments as needed."

 

Also some people on this thread speculated that the NAS versions might have a lower output level, so I asked about that too. Here´s the reply:

 

"As for question 1, the speculation is incorrect.  The NAS version of firmware is for lower power hosts but not power in the conventional sense, but lower processing power.  This version is recommended for lesser capability (lower core count, slower CPU, less RAM, etc) hosts.  There is no effect whatsoever on the output level.  For an IEM that is too sensitive, I would recommend introducing a bit of digital attenuation as a practical, though not ideal solution."

 

Fantastic customer support, got these replies almost instantly :)

post #762 of 1104

Just now testing the NAS firmware as my Surface 2 seems a little challenged in the CPU, at least while multitasking. I do wonder what the tradeoffs might be.

post #763 of 1104

In response to Gillay87's question about MOG versus Spotify, I can offer the following:

 

In our testing MOG is a noticeably better sounding streaming service than Spotify.  I haven't intercepted the raw streams and analyzed them (but I do plan on doing so when time allows) but the difference is so immediately apparent to every listener that I have queried, that I am confident enough to state without hesitation that it is the better of the two.  Please note that this is comparing both at their highest (premium) quality.

 

Kevin Halverson

CTO

High Resolution Technologies, LLC 


Edited by Kevin_Halverson - 1/1/14 at 7:51am
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Halverson View Post
 

In response to Gillay87's question about MOG versus Spotify, I can offer the following:

 

In our testing MOG is a noticeably better sounding streaming service than Spotify.  I haven't intercepted the raw streams and analyzed them (but I do plan on doing so when time allows) but the difference is so immediately apparent to every listener that I have queried, that I am confident enough to state without hesitation that it is the better of the two.  Please note that this is comparing both at their highest (premium) quality.

 

Kevin Halverson

CTO

High Resolution Technologies, LLC 

I haven't go so far as Kevin testing Spotify vs. MOG - but I've always felt MOG sounded better, more dynamically alive - therefore music didn't sound necessarily "compressed" (not referring to the process, rather the soundstage) when paired w/ the right DAC like any from HRT and others...

 

I love the social component of Spotify...

But, I also LOVE the New Releases section in MOG - and the iPad app is SLICK.

 

I was just rockin' MOG and Amarra w/ my microStreamer + Monster DNA Over-ears and it sounds terrifically engaging!

I was a part of this focus group on those before they got released - and I've been pleasantly surprised!

 

This is an excellent sonic pairing - and altogether, I believe, costs around 400 bucks or so...

post #765 of 1104
Mike, do you think the DNA can compete with the likes of HD25 and DT1350 in terms of tonal realism, or is it closer to the M80, colored but still detailed?

Edit: I see they're over ears, so I guess that makes them more suitable competition for something like the M100 or original Momentums. Maybe you can offer some more insight or comparisons :-)

Edit again: ...in a new thread if necessary, although I'm sure you could talk some about its particular synergy with the mS to keep things on topic ;-)
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Originally Posted by mikemercer View Post

I haven't go so far as Kevin testing Spotify vs. MOG - but I've always felt MOG sounded better, more dynamically alive - therefore music didn't sound necessarily "compressed" (not referring to the process, rather the soundstage) when paired w/ the right DAC like any from HRT and others...

I love the social component of Spotify...
But, I also LOVE the New Releases section in MOG - and the iPad app is SLICK.

I was just rockin' MOG and Amarra w/ my microStreamer + Monster DNA Over-ears and it sounds terrifically engaging!
I was a part of this focus group on those before they got released - and I've been pleasantly surprised!

This is an excellent sonic pairing - and altogether, I believe, costs around 400 bucks or so...


Edited by Gilly87 - 1/1/14 at 7:11pm
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