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Am I losing a lot of detail with normal phone output?

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Long story short, I tried a UE TF10, Panasonic HJE900 and Phonak PFE121 last time, output from my HTC Explorer. This is my first time trying audiophile item, and TBH I can't tell much difference from my cheap Philips, I didn't notice all the goodies people talking about, like the soundstage. Now I start to wonder if it's my phone that limit the true potential of these IEM? Didn't tried those for too long though. I used my phone because people said these IEM doesn't require amping :/

 

BTW I only get average fit with TF10, and maybe the Phonak because I'm not used to over the ear wear-style. 


Edited by RaiNWalKer - 1/23/13 at 4:12am
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The TF10s are triple BAs if I'm not mistaken. I have never used them but my dual-BA Rock-It R-50s sounded pretty bad right out of my phone (Samsung Galaxy S)... very thin and sibilant. Once I plugged in my Fiio E11, it was the exact opposite experience, they sounded full, warm and open. If you are jumping into higher tiers of IEMs you may want to consider something like a Fiio E6 at least to give them more juice. Another option is to buy a Clip+ which may fit the bill, but then you have to carry another device just for your music.

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Originally Posted by RaiNWalKer View Post

Long story short, I tried a UE TF10, Panasonic HJE900 and Phonak PFE121 last time, output from my HTC Explorer. This is my first time trying audiophile item, and TBH I can't tell much difference from my cheap Philips, I didn't notice all the goodies people talking about, like the soundstage. Now I start to wonder if it's my phone that limit the true potential of these IEM? Didn't tried those for too long though. I used my phone because people said these IEM doesn't require amping :/

 

BTW I only get average fit with TF10, and maybe the Phonak because I'm not used to over the ear wear-style. 

Are you using high-quality music files (FLAC, 24/96 and whatnots)? The quality of music files matters way more than the IEM you're using; A good IEM will only make things worse if you're using low-bitrate, crap music files.

 

If your music files are high-quality, then I suspect that it's either 1) Your HTC explorer's fault; 2) Impedance matching issues between the source and the IEM; 3) You're having fit/isolation issues with the IEM or 4) Your ears/brain are just not used to how the IEMs sounds--Sometimes it takes a while to get used to how a certain IEM sounds.

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Originally Posted by bhima View Post

The TF10s are triple BAs if I'm not mistaken. I have never used them but my dual-BA Rock-It R-50s sounded pretty bad right out of my phone (Samsung Galaxy S)... very thin and sibilant. Once I plugged in my Fiio E11, it was the exact opposite experience, they sounded full, warm and open. If you are jumping into higher tiers of IEMs you may want to consider something like a Fiio E6 at least to give them more juice. Another option is to buy a Clip+ which may fit the bill, but then you have to carry another device just for your music.

Ya they're triple BA IEM, the only better device I got is the Walkman E series though, is it comparable to the Clip+ and/or other cheap amp? I afraid if I buy another good IEM in the future it might not be good enough for those...

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Are you using high-quality music files (FLAC, 24/96 and whatnots)? The quality of music files matters way more than the IEM you're using; A good IEM will only make things worse if you're using low-bitrate, crap music files.

 

If your music files are high-quality, then I suspect that it's either 1) Your HTC explorer's fault; 2) Impedance matching issues between the source and the IEM; 3) You're having fit/isolation issues with the IEM or 4) Your ears/brain are just not used to how the IEMs sounds--Sometimes it takes a while to get used to how a certain IEM sounds.

I'm using 320kbps MP3, I do have some fit issue with it, but I believe it shouldn't have worsen the sound that much... I might be not so sensitive to better frequency response, but I didn't experienced any better soundstage (what I hoped for) either, as the music still sounds in my head :/ Only with the Panasonic HJE900 I can hear some better instrument seperation, but still...

 

Maybe cheap phone aren't mean't for music ><

post #5 of 9

People here seem to be prone to hyperbole, as well, many want/pursue flat or neutral IEMs which may not be your taste.  Also, you might be more resistant to placebo effects than most...

 

As others have said, there may be output impedance issues, especially with multi-BA IEMs and fit is quite important.

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Originally Posted by KraftD1 View Post

People here seem to be prone to hyperbole, as well, many want/pursue flat or neutral IEMs which may not be your taste.  Also, you might be more resistant to placebo effects than most...

 

As others have said, there may be output impedance issues, especially with multi-BA IEMs and fit is quite important.

I certainly hope that's not the case though, I was like, it can't be, it's sound so similliar frown.gif

 

So, in order to fix the impedance issue, I will need an amp, right? And is Walkman good enough to drive those high end IEM?

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You could try a cheap amp with a low impedance output to see if that's what is doing it.  I'm no expert, but maybe a Fiio E6 (<$30) or if you want grab a cheap clip zip player to try or something.  In terms of power, most IEMs are rather sensitive and have low impedance so I'm not sure power would be the issue.  Some walkman models have odd frequency response, for example: http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Sony%20A845%20-%20Headphone-Out.htm  so that could be an issue depending on the model. 

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If you plug in these(above) IEMs through lineout on source (DAPs) like Sony walkmen with WM_Port lineout and use external AMPs(like JDS Labs C421, Mustang P51) then you willbe amazed how much difference it made like bigger well defind soundstage, higher resolution soundquality with full bodied bass and improved imaging, instruments separation.

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You could try a cheap amp with a low impedance output to see if that's what is doing it.  I'm no expert, but maybe a Fiio E6 (<$30) or if you want grab a cheap clip zip player to try or something.  In terms of power, most IEMs are rather sensitive and have low impedance so I'm not sure power would be the issue.  Some walkman models have odd frequency response, for example: http://rmaa.elektrokrishna.com/Comparisons/Sony%20A845%20-%20Headphone-Out.htm  so that could be an issue depending on the model. 

Alright, I shall go to a headphone shop and test some cheap amp with their IEM, might pick up an amp if it provide lots of difference :D Although now it would be pretty hard for me to get the TF10 though, didn't purchase it at that time (2nd hand) :/

 

 

 


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If you plug in these(above) IEMs through lineout on source (DAPs) like Sony walkmen with WM_Port lineout and use external AMPs(like JDS Labs C421, Mustang P51) then you willbe amazed how much difference it made like bigger well defind soundstage, higher resolution soundquality with full bodied bass and improved imaging, instruments separation.

 

Jeez, those must be expensive, way over my budget ><

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