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post #61 of 3448

Finding a lot of good music on this thread. I have some klipsch x7i s, they're not bass heavy but definitely not lacking, and work great since I listen to a lot of different genres so they work great. Anyways, here's what I've been listening to recently.

 

 

Loving Common's earlier stuff

 

Some new stuff by PaceWon

 

The paragraph ambassador Rakim

 

And a bunch of stuff from Nas, Jay-Z, Kendrick Lamar, and the Game's recent album has some pretty good tracks too. 

post #62 of 3448
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Well, I guess I should drop in and write a list of some of my favorite artists/albums in hip-hop.

 

Wu-Tang Clan (36 Chambers)

Notorious B.I.G. (Ready to Die)

Tech N9ne (Damn near everything this guy does; he has unbelievable technical skills and is pretty clever, lyrically)

Eminem (Slim Shady LP - The Eminem Show)

The Roots (Illadelph Halflife, Phrenology, Undun, Wake Up w/ John Legend)

Leaders of the New School

Busta Rhymes

Black Star

Mos Def

A Tribe Called Quest

Common

Talib Kweli & Hi-Tek (Reflections Eternal)

Home MADE Kazoku (Japanese hip-hop)

nobodyknows+ (Japanese hip-hop)

Beastie Boys (Licensed To Ill, Ill Communication)

MC Frontalot

Damn, that's a lot. Guess I'll start with revisiting the Beastie Boys and the Wu-Tang Clan. Haven't heard their stuff in a long time.

 

I never thought I would find a fellow fan of Home Made Kazoku and nobodyknows+ here. These guys definitely need more recognition.

 

 

 

 

It's tough to find good hip-hop these days. But rappers with positive and upbeat energy like these guys are even rarer.

post #63 of 3448
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It's tough to find good hip-hop these days. But rappers with positive and upbeat energy like these guys are even rarer.

 

The thing that I enjoy most about Japanese hip-hop is that it isn't only hip-hop. It's usually a group of three or more guys rapping over pop or rock and then they actually sing the chorus, instead of rapping a repetitive hook. And they do it in a way that American rappers don't seem to be quite as good at; rather than making something that's worse than pure hip-hop or pure pop music, they combine them in a way that benefits both genres and improves the overall effect of the song on the listener.

post #64 of 3448
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Damn, that's a lot. Guess I'll start with revisiting the Beastie Boys and the Wu-Tang Clan. Haven't heard their stuff in a long time.

 

I never thought I would find a fellow fan of Home Made Kazoku and nobodyknows+ here. These guys definitely need more recognition.

 

 

 

It's tough to find good hip-hop these days. But rappers with positive and upbeat energy like these guys are even rarer.

 

Check out Kusuo/九州男, although his songs are mostly heartwarming or sad...T___T

 

post #65 of 3448
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The thing that I enjoy most about Japanese hip-hop is that it isn't only hip-hop. It's usually a group of three or more guys rapping over pop or rock and then they actually sing the chorus, instead of rapping a repetitive hook. And they do it in a way that American rappers don't seem to be quite as good at; rather than making something that's worse than pure hip-hop or pure pop music, they combine them in a way that benefits both genres and improves the overall effect of the song on the listener.

its hard to tell if it really is hip-hop then or they are just using rap as part of their music(nothing wrong with that of course), this is why I tend to shy away from hip-hop other than english based ones, hip-hop is a lyric based genre, if you can't understand the technical parts of their lyrics, then its hard to tell if they are really following the hip-hop standard

 

and don't come at me with the "it still sounds good with a hip-hop element," I understand that for people that like hip-hop and other genres

 

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Damn, that's a lot. Guess I'll start with revisiting the Beastie Boys and the Wu-Tang Clan. Haven't heard their stuff in a long time.

 

I never thought I would find a fellow fan of Home Made Kazoku and nobodyknows+ here. These guys definitely need more recognition.

 

 

 

 

It's tough to find good hip-hop these days. But rappers with positive and upbeat energy like these guys are even rarer.

that's not much at all

post #66 of 3448

Skittles.  He seems to have disappeard for over a year..

 

 


Edited by PFULMTL - 1/26/13 at 12:02am
post #67 of 3448
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its hard to tell if it really is hip-hop then or they are just using rap as part of their music(nothing wrong with that of course), this is why I tend to shy away from hip-hop other than english based ones, hip-hop is a lyric based genre, if you can't understand the technical parts of their lyrics, then its hard to tell if they are really following the hip-hop standard

 

and don't come at me with the "it still sounds good with a hip-hop element," I understand that for people that like hip-hop and other genres

 

I would have to respectfully disagree here. It's more of a rhythm-based genre, consisting of spoken word verses delivered with interesting rhythms and cadences. Lyrics may be one of the most important things about hip-hop to a person who appreciates hip-hop, and indeed the lyrics are that important. However, hip-hop is set apart by featuring relatively little singing (except, in some cases, in the hook/chorus) and instead presenting spoken word in various rhythms. So, yes, I would undoubtedly call nobodyknows+ and Home Made Kazoku hip-hop, regardless of how unorthodox they may be.

 

Besides, if hip-hop were purely a lyric-based genre, I'd hesitate to call a lot of artists, current and past, rappers or hip-hop artists.

post #68 of 3448

well if money is no object, then hands down, unequivocally without hesitation from everything i've ever heard or owned, the lcd-2's hands down

 

 

lush mids, solid strong bass that doesnt bleed in. i dont know if u can ask for more

 

 

if you're thing is more the downsouth/club high energy club rap, xb500's easily

post #69 of 3448
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I would have to respectfully disagree here. It's more of a rhythm-based genre, consisting of spoken word verses delivered with interesting rhythms and cadences. Lyrics may be one of the most important things about hip-hop to a person who appreciates hip-hop, and indeed the lyrics are that important. However, hip-hop is set apart by featuring relatively little singing (except, in some cases, in the hook/chorus) and instead presenting spoken word in various rhythms. So, yes, I would undoubtedly call nobodyknows+ and Home Made Kazoku hip-hop, regardless of how unorthodox they may be.

 

Besides, if hip-hop were purely a lyric-based genre, I'd hesitate to call a lot of artists, current and past, rappers or hip-hop artists.

that's what I meant though, that's basically rap

 

there has always been singing in hip-hop take ghostface for example, he features a lot of soul music into his albums, even made one that had singing in 90% of his tracks but what is undoubtedly prominent is his rapping

post #70 of 3448
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Originally Posted by C.C.S. View Post

 

I would have to respectfully disagree here. It's more of a rhythm-based genre, consisting of spoken word verses delivered with interesting rhythms and cadences. Lyrics may be one of the most important things about hip-hop to a person who appreciates hip-hop, and indeed the lyrics are that important. However, hip-hop is set apart by featuring relatively little singing (except, in some cases, in the hook/chorus) and instead presenting spoken word in various rhythms. So, yes, I would undoubtedly call nobodyknows+ and Home Made Kazoku hip-hop, regardless of how unorthodox they may be.

 

Besides, if hip-hop were purely a lyric-based genre, I'd hesitate to call a lot of artists, current and past, rappers or hip-hop artists.



Sorry Kami my man, i would have to politely disagree with you regarding this matter. CCS has a good point, because "rap/ hiphop" should never be pigeon holed like that. It is an art form that is consistently changing and evolving due to the incorporation of new elements and styles, hence for me this is why hiphop is so amazing as a musical genre. I would dare to venture to say that it is the most dynamic and relevant of ALL the music genres that has ever been created. "Hip Hop" is truly limitless in expression and purpose. 

 

@Cash

Ya Mon, Kanye became too popular for his own good. Like you said for me he peaked during his 1st two albums as well. That heartbreak album and anything after that is just a BIG meh. His ego got too big due to all the media spin and hype. Still don't get the hype on that guy tbh, must be cuz he along with Jay Z is part of the "illuminati" now. LMAO very_evil_smiley.gif........................devil_face.gif


Edited by sfwalcer - 1/27/13 at 11:03am
post #71 of 3448
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Originally Posted by KamijoIsMyHero View Post

its hard to tell if it really is hip-hop then or they are just using rap as part of their music(nothing wrong with that of course), this is why I tend to shy away from hip-hop other than english based ones, hip-hop is a lyric based genre, if you can't understand the technical parts of their lyrics, then its hard to tell if they are really following the hip-hop standard

 

and don't come at me with the "it still sounds good with a hip-hop element," I understand that for people that like hip-hop and other genres

 

that's not much at all

Gave this topic some thought and tried to understand why I prefer Korean rap/hip hop over Jpns as well as rest of Asias. Although i don't agree wholeheartedly that there is such a thing as a "hip-hop standard" that should be followed, there is not doubt certain elements/ styles/ sounds of rap music which makes it more "hip hop". This parallels that "real" vs. "fake" hip hop discussion not just in that the English/ American forms are seen as more "legit" as compared to outsider foreign "wanna-be/ fake" forms but also that mainstream hip pop vs the underground backpacker aspects of it as well.

 

To me Jpnese "hip hop," and this could be said for most of Asia as well has this "Asian pop" overtone to it which makes it just too Asian sounding as exemplified by all the Jpnese hip hop MVs from all the previous posts. Not that that is a bad thing per se but it does make it seem less "legit" compared to their American/ English counterparts. This is similar to what Kami stated above, but I don't see hip hop as solely a "lyric based genre" because if you are a big hip hop head you will instantly "know" when you hear great hip hop/ rap, a gut feeling if you may. What I am trying to say is that hip hop is not only defined by its "technical parts of their lyrics" but is also defined by its overall musicality which is derived from all the elements/ instruments that are used.  Lyrics is just one component of that. Hence, even though I don't understand a single word when I listen to non-English hip hop I can still dig it due to its hip hop musicality.

 

I guess that is the basis for my Korean hip hop bias because for me it just sounds more "hip hop" and "legit" when compared to the rest of Asia. Sonically you can hear the "realness" in Korean hip hop, because there is direct correlation in the elements that are used to what we would now consider as that "Classic Hip Hop" sound. No doubt there is a lot of sh!tty Korean hip hop out there, but amount of talent that is harbored in Korean hip hop scene despite its small niche in Korean society is massive. Korean hip hop, where it lacks in quantity, is made up by quality. Sadly this could not be said for the rest of Asia because both quantity and quality are lacking. Despite the popularity of rap/ hip hop in Jpn, I find it extremely difficult to find quality artists that appeals to me. A lot of the successful acts such as M-Flo, Zeebra, AI, etc just can't compare to what Korean hip hop has to offer. That is why it was great to see many Jpnese hip hop MVs posted here, because for me it is extremely difficult to find good Jpnese hip hop with that real classic hip hop feel. Despite I loved all the Jpn MVs that were posted, it still has that Asian pop overtone which can sound generic and too poppy at times.

 

Alright i guess i should end my tirade of Asian hip hop with some lovely Korean Hip Hop. LoL

 

@Danny @Dsnuts since you guys have those godly ATH AD900000000000000Xs can you do me a huge favor and endure this torture test of mine??? I tried to listen to this Jazzyfact album numerous times before but could not really get into it, and yes it is in Korean. biggrin.gif But when I listened to it with my HM5 modded S500 it sounded so amazing that i am now hooked. Been finding myself re-listening to it a lot these days and what I realized is that the HM5 modded S500 has a bigger soundstage and better instrument separation than my modded portable set of S500s, hence making jazzy beats a lot more enjoyable. Can you'll do me a big favor and listen to this Jazzyfact album and tell me how it sounds on those ATH ADs please? Maybe test it out on those JVC FXZs as well if you end up linking the album. tongue_smile.gif

 

DL link to that Jazzyfact album in 320kbps: http://purplemtl.blogspot.com/2011/09/jazzyfact-lifes-like.html

 

Enjoy!

 

It should be very accessible since there are tons of English lines peppered through out the album.  Here are a few sample tracks of the album.

 

 

 

Bonus track for all you...............................................................................since this is the Troll Headphone Club. wink_face.gif


Edited by sfwalcer - 1/27/13 at 2:14pm
post #72 of 3448

Hearing them tracks with the AD900X. Vocals are separate from all the instruments. I can follow what is happening with each instrument loop separately from the rest of the tunes. Those tunes sound excellent using the AD900X..

post #73 of 3448
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Hearing them tracks with the AD900X. Vocals are separate from all the instruments. I can follow what is happening with each instrument loop separately from the rest of the tunes. Those tunes sound excellent using the AD900X..

 

Are you listening to them via the youtube clips i posted or that download link to 320kbps mp3 files??? Youtube don't do any music justice tbh but that is great to hear Ds. Thanks!

 

Oh hey Cash can you test that Jazzyfact album out on those Somics of yours. i wanna know how they sound on those as well. Since they have an open back which makes soundstage huge. Thanks in advance. ksc75smile.gif

post #74 of 3448
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Oh hey Cash can you test that Jazzyfact album out on those Somics of yours. i wanna know how they sound on those as well. Since they have an open back which makes soundstage huge. Thanks in advance. ksc75smile.gif


Of course!

Want me to focus on any aspects in particular?

post #75 of 3448
Thread Starter 

Well you know me of course DAT BASS!!! LoL

 

On a serious note, the instrument separation, soundstage/ depth/ spaciousness/ layering of the music/ beats and the bass notes/ slam. Would love to know these aspects on those somics. Basically just want to know how cohesive the different elements that are used in the beats comes together. Am i making any sense? LMAO.

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